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1. 03:47 AM - Undercarriage (Rodger Todd)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: Trim servo question (johngoodman)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: Undercarriage (rv10flyer)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: Trim servo question (bob88)
5. 08:31 AM - Conduit in the wing (bob88)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Conduit in the wing (Pascal)
7. 10:46 AM - SB 2014-08-29 (Rodger Todd)
8. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Trim servo question (Linn Walters)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: Conduit in the wing (johngoodman)
10. 12:23 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Tim Olson)
11. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: Undercarriage (Michael Kraus)
12. 01:43 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Linn Walters)
13. 02:15 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Pascal)
14. 02:56 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Tim Olson)
15. 03:26 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Kelly McMullen)
16. 03:50 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Alan Mekler MD)
17. 04:03 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Tim Olson)
18. 04:13 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Kelly McMullen)
19. 04:15 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (William Greenley)
20. 04:44 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Alan Mekler MD)
21. 04:58 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Tim Olson)
22. 05:27 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Bob Leffler)
23. 06:11 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Rob Kochman)
24. 07:25 PM - Leaking Tank Blues (kearney)
25. 08:15 PM - Re: Leaking Tank Blues (Kelly McMullen)
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Hi Folks,=0A=0AIf you haven't seen this on Vansairforce.net I strongly sugg
est you read http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11617
1=0A=0AWhat Dave Brown has reported is greatly worrying.=0A=0ABest wishes t
o all,=0A=0ARodger
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| Subject: | Re: Trim servo question |
bob88 wrote:
> I think you are right. The mounting kit from Garmin is right wing specific but
the Ray Allen servo kit from Vans appears to be ambidextrous...so both in right
wing seems the correct thing to do.
As a lefty, I wish I was ambidextrous; it would have made my life much easier [Wink]
This actually brings up a point - is it necessary for the autopilot to trim the
ailerons? i agree that it's necessary for pitch trim, but not so much, when it
comes to lateral control.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
I guess flying at the aft CG limit with the family 90% of the time and being #486
in the air has some other benefits. We fly off of grass once or twice per year,
but will definitely keep an eye on it.
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Wayne G.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim servo question |
I think the autopilot needs to have both roll and pitch authority; as far as the
trim function goes, this is the way Garmin has set up their GSA 28 smart servo
(power to the Ray Allen trim goes through the Garmin unit). Let me know if
I am misunderstanding this.
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| Subject: | Conduit in the wing |
Here's a question about running the conduit in the wing. A straight through run
is OK for the Nav/Strobe/Landing lights but what about interruptions along the
way for pitot heat and trim/autopilot servos? Is there a way to branch wires
out of the conduit along the way?
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| Subject: | Re: Conduit in the wing |
Some advice Jesse gave me was run the conduit to the access panel and leave
a gap for access to the wires via the panel, when needed. than pickup the
conduit again to the next panel.
I installed all the conduit through the wing than cut the areas where the
panels were.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: bob88
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Conduit in the wing
Here's a question about running the conduit in the wing. A straight through
run is OK for the Nav/Strobe/Landing lights but what about interruptions
along the way for pitot heat and trim/autopilot servos? Is there a way to
branch wires out of the conduit along the way?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429584#429584
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Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Trim servo question |
Just thinking out loud .... Wouldn't the aileron autopilot servo be
using the trim servo to lessen the forces required to hold the aileron
in position? After all, that's what a trim tab does .....
Linn
On 8/29/2014 11:28 AM, bob88 wrote:
>
> I think the autopilot needs to have both roll and pitch authority; as far as
the trim function goes, this is the way Garmin has set up their GSA 28 smart servo
(power to the Ray Allen trim goes through the Garmin unit). Let me know if
I am misunderstanding this.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Conduit in the wing |
I just put a slit in the convoluted conduit to get the wires out. A little heat
shrink for rubbing issues.
John
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
the engine mount.
For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
plate from spinning.
I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
fix I need to perform.
Tim
On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>
> Rodger
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
This should be interesting and very appropriately timed for me.... I am starting
my condition inspection this weekend and I fly exclusively off of grass....
But so far I only have ~180 hours...
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:57 AM, "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I guess flying at the aft CG limit with the family 90% of the time and being
#486 in the air has some other benefits. We fly off of grass once or twice per
year, but will definitely keep an eye on it.
>
> --------
> Wayne G.
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429574#429574
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
IMHO, if it can spin then there aren't enough U-1002 washers installed
...... too little tension on the donuts. I'm curious about the
potential for the plate wearing on the tubing too. Maybe some silicone
rubber would help???
IMHO, the problem that Vic has experienced is due to two things .....
the age and compression of the donuts and the fact that he flies off a
grass field. IMHO, I suspect that there was pounding of the donuts
against the receptacle. Vic doesn't say how many washers he had
installed .... only that they were tight, and the picture looks like
there may be room for three washers. How tight is tight? The SB says a
max of three U-1002 washers.
The reason there are so many IMHOs is that I haven't completed
installing the U-1002 washers .... I'm not flying yet .... the plans say
one washer on a new install is fine and an additional one as the donuts
compress. At lunch today my non-flying -10 builder buddy said he
installed two outright ..... and it was a bear. Maybe one U-1002 isn't
enough? So, I ask .... how many U-1002 washers did you get installed
initially? More than one?
Linn .... almost done with windshield fairing
On 8/29/2014 3:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>
> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't
> necessarily line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
> the engine mount.
>
> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
> plate from spinning.
>
> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
> fix I need to perform.
>
>
> Tim
>
> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>
>> Rodger
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
1 isolator at building, let it sit while your building and for the first 10
hours of flying, assuming that means about 10 landings, at that point, since
you're checking the plane after every flight anyway, check and possibly add
the 2nd isolator. At every annual I check the clearance, but at this point 2
seems to be enough as 3 is too hard to force on.
Simply put the abuse of soft field is too much for the way the original
mounts were built after 1000 hours. For someone that has no idea what a soft
field landing is, other than the practice I did on hard runways, feels like
;-) I doubt there is an issue for me over the long run.
Tim;
I gathered from the figure 1 that the plate sits with the four corners held
in place by the arms, so unless there is a huge gap they really should not
move much. Rubbing on the arms is indeed a concern I agree with you on. I
would probably use rtv on all four notched areas and for good measure maybe
even n the plates themselves to diminish vibration should there be any
looseness. Glue would probably be better, and worth a question to Vans on
that need, when ordering the plates.
As always, I'll await your report on how things look for you.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Linn Walters
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
IMHO, if it can spin then there aren't enough U-1002 washers installed
...... too little tension on the donuts. I'm curious about the
potential for the plate wearing on the tubing too. Maybe some silicone
rubber would help???
IMHO, the problem that Vic has experienced is due to two things .....
the age and compression of the donuts and the fact that he flies off a
grass field. IMHO, I suspect that there was pounding of the donuts
against the receptacle. Vic doesn't say how many washers he had
installed .... only that they were tight, and the picture looks like
there may be room for three washers. How tight is tight? The SB says a
max of three U-1002 washers.
The reason there are so many IMHOs is that I haven't completed
installing the U-1002 washers .... I'm not flying yet .... the plans say
one washer on a new install is fine and an additional one as the donuts
compress. At lunch today my non-flying -10 builder buddy said he
installed two outright ..... and it was a bear. Maybe one U-1002 isn't
enough? So, I ask .... how many U-1002 washers did you get installed
initially? More than one?
Linn .... almost done with windshield fairing
On 8/29/2014 3:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>
> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
> the engine mount.
>
> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
> plate from spinning.
>
> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
> fix I need to perform.
>
>
> Tim
>
> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>
>> Rodger
>>
>
>
> -----
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Pascal,
I think you mean 1 spacer washer....you'll always want all of the isolators
(elastomer).
Ok, here is my data point. I'm currently at the hangar, and have the gear
dropped. Took the time to send this before it's even completed...
I have just shy of 1070 hours. I have been on grass for some landings,
but, probably only about 50 I'd guess...nothing too drastic. I have no
cracks that I can see, unless they're hidden by paint. But it all seems to
look ok to me. Of course, we know that it IS NOT ok, because some day
there could be a problem, and I should definitely do the doubler. I also
think I'll ask Van's about it when I order it, but I think I'll throw some
E6000 glue, just a thin coating, on the doubler...just something to keep it
from shifting. I definitely don't like the idea of anything rubbing on the
mount tubes.
That said, I ALSO never liked, and I mean from day 1, that the metal rings
from the elastomers hit those tubes. Yes, mine did from day 1. I saw them
bend. They are still bent. And they are still rubbing on the tubes. I am
going to grind the areas that bent so that they no longer contact the
tubes. I personally think (but you may want to ask more expert opinions)
that when building you should take the time to grind a relief so that the
rings never touch the tubes.
Now for the part that will make people think I'm full of it.
I am almost sure that when I first assembled the gear, I put 2 spacer rings
on. I remember someone asking me a couple years ago how many I added. At
that time I even ordered extra because I didn't even know where I put my
extras from the initial build. I have never added any, as far as I can
remember. Now, to get my top hat cap off the gear I actually had to
reconnect the bottom bolt temporarily and push up hard on the wheel with a
lever, to release tension on the bolt so I could pull it out. I don't know
how much tension there was exactly, but I had no extra gap between the
elastomer metal rings and the base of the mount. And this is with over
1000 hours, and 8 years. My elastomers actually look to be in pretty good
shape too. Yeah, I'm shocked too that I 've never had to add any spacers,
and still have tension, but I have checked every annual just for play and
never had any, so I've never disassembled this area before...ever. I'm
very glad for Vic and others who have, because if I hadn't have known from
them, I wouldn't have even looked. (I'm betting if Vic hadn't seen the
crack from above he wouldn't have either.)
So, I guess I now reassemble and order the doubler, then take it apart in a
couple weeks again.
At least I now know how long to expect it to take.
I should note that I am not a very bad lander....no, not bragging because
it's not me, but the plane that makes it that way. I almost always land
with the nosewheel off, and when I roll out I keep the nose up as long as I
can. Heck, if I have a 5000' taxi to do on the runway, I usually add power
and taxi with the nose off the ground, just to save the wear and tear. So
maybe this has helped.
I snapped a couple of pictures, but I'm too messy to send them right now.
If someone thinks they're relevant though, I can email to the list.
Tim
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
> 1 isolator at building, let it sit while your building and for the first
> 10 hours of flying, assuming that means about 10 landings, at that point,
> since you're checking the plane after every flight anyway, check and
> possibly add the 2nd isolator. At every annual I check the clearance, but
> at this point 2 seems to be enough as 3 is too hard to force on.
>
> Simply put the abuse of soft field is too much for the way the original
> mounts were built after 1000 hours. For someone that has no idea what a
> soft field landing is, other than the practice I did on hard runways, feels
> like ;-) I doubt there is an issue for me over the long run.
>
> Tim;
> I gathered from the figure 1 that the plate sits with the four corners
> held in place by the arms, so unless there is a huge gap they really should
> not move much. Rubbing on the arms is indeed a concern I agree with you on.
> I would probably use rtv on all four notched areas and for good measure
> maybe even n the plates themselves to diminish vibration should there be
> any looseness. Glue would probably be better, and worth a question to Vans
> on that need, when ordering the plates.
>
> As always, I'll await your report on how things look for you.
>
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>
>
>
> IMHO, if it can spin then there aren't enough U-1002 washers installed
> ...... too little tension on the donuts. I'm curious about the
> potential for the plate wearing on the tubing too. Maybe some silicone
> rubber would help???
>
> IMHO, the problem that Vic has experienced is due to two things .....
> the age and compression of the donuts and the fact that he flies off a
> grass field. IMHO, I suspect that there was pounding of the donuts
> against the receptacle. Vic doesn't say how many washers he had
> installed .... only that they were tight, and the picture looks like
> there may be room for three washers. How tight is tight? The SB says a
> max of three U-1002 washers.
>
> The reason there are so many IMHOs is that I haven't completed
> installing the U-1002 washers .... I'm not flying yet .... the plans say
> one washer on a new install is fine and an additional one as the donuts
> compress. At lunch today my non-flying -10 builder buddy said he
> installed two outright ..... and it was a bear. Maybe one U-1002 isn't
> enough? So, I ask .... how many U-1002 washers did you get installed
> initially? More than one?
> Linn .... almost done with windshield fairing
>
> On 8/29/2014 3:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>
>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
>> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
>> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
>> the engine mount.
>>
>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
>> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
>> plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
>> fix I need to perform.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>
>>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>
>>> Rodger
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Well,
For those that are not aware, the Mooney M20 series of planes use exactly
the same part number shock disk. On the early, lower gross wt models the
shock disks are good for about 12 years, but many continue to meet the
tension specs for over 20 years, but do get harder, providing less
cushioning. On later, higher gross wt models the disks may last only 5-8
yrs before they are too compressed.
The RV-10 empty wt matches the models that use the O-36-/IO-360 engines at
around 1600-1700 lbs, and has gross wt of 2575 lbs. So, depending on
climate and exposure to ozone, I would expect the RV-10 shock disks to last
15 yrs, give or take a few, and if tension is lost anywhere past the 10 yr
mark I would think about replacing them.
The ouch part is that they now cost over $100 per shock disk from most
suppliers. I have heard as low as maybe $90 but most are charging $100+
I'm not really looking forward to doing the SB as I am very close to
finishing firewall forward work.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know how much tension there was exactly, but I had no extra gap
> between the elastomer metal rings and the base of the mount. And this is
> with over 1000 hours, and 8 years. My elastomers actually look to be in
> pretty good shape too. Yeah, I'm shocked too that I 've never had to add
> any spacers, and still have tension, but I have checked every annual just
> for play and never had any, so I've never disassembled this area
> before...ever. I'm very glad for Vic and others who have, because if I
> hadn't have known from them, I wouldn't have even looked. (I'm betting if
> Vic hadn't seen the crack from above he wouldn't have either.)
>
> So, I guess I now reassemble and order the doubler, then take it apart in
> a couple weeks again.
> At least I now know how long to expect it to take.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb will
take my A+P?
Alan
N668G
300 hrs
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>
> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily line
up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
> the engine mount.
>
> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
> plate from spinning.
>
> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
> fix I need to perform.
>
>
> Tim
>
>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>
>> Rodger
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Probably 2 hours for the first session to see if you have cracks. Then if you
have no cracks probably another 2 or 3 to actually fix it up. But you either
have to leave it with them disassembled after you inspect it, or do it twice and
wait on the proper set of parts.
Tim
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb will
take my A+P?
> Alan
> N668G
> 300 hrs
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>
>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
>> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily line
up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
>> the engine mount.
>>
>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
>> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
>> plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
>> fix I need to perform.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>
>>> Rodger
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Suggest you obtain parts, assuming no cracks, then anyone you trust,
licensed mechanic or not can actually do the work. The only requirement
for a licensed A&P is to do the condition inspection. You don't even
need A&P to correct whatever discrepancies the A&P finds. If you prefer
to use licensed mechanic to do the SB, by all means, no criticism, just
pointing out there is no regulatory requirement for the certificate
beyond than one inspection/yr.
On 8/29/2014 3:49 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>
> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb will
take my A+P?
> Alan
> N668G
> 300 hrs
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>
>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when
>> it spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily line
up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on
>> the engine mount.
>>
>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding
>> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
>> plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
>> fix I need to perform.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>> Vans reacts quickly - see http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>
>>> Rodger
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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You can still do the SB, you only need the A&P for the annual conditional
inspection.
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler MD
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb
will take my A+P?
Alan
N668G
300 hrs
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>
> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when it
> spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on the engine mount.
>
> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding glue or JB
> weld or something would be warranted to keep that plate from spinning.
>
> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which fix I
> need to perform.
>
>
> Tim
>
>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>> Vans reacts quickly - see
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>
>> Rodger
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Yes i understand
Assuming no cracks the doubler needs to be installed.
Is this being provided by Vans at no cost?
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:14 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You can still do the SB, you only need the A&P for the annual conditional
> inspection.
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler MD
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>
>
> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb
> will take my A+P?
> Alan
> N668G
> 300 hrs
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>
>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when it
>> spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
>> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on the engine mount.
>>
>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding glue or JB
>> weld or something would be warranted to keep that plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which fix I
>> need to perform.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>> Vans reacts quickly - see
>>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>
>>> Rodger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
I believe the parts are provided free.
Tim
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes i understand
> Assuming no cracks the doubler needs to be installed.
> Is this being provided by Vans at no cost?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:14 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You can still do the SB, you only need the A&P for the annual conditional
>> inspection.
>> Bill Greenley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler MD
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>>
>>
>> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb
>> will take my A+P?
>> Alan
>> N668G
>> 300 hrs
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>>
>>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when it
>>> spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
>>> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on the engine mount.
>>>
>>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding glue or JB
>>> weld or something would be warranted to keep that plate from spinning.
>>>
>>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which fix I
>>> need to perform.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>>> Vans reacts quickly - see
>>>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Rodger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Yep. I ordered mine this afternoon.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I believe the parts are provided free.
> Tim
>
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes i understand
>> Assuming no cracks the doubler needs to be installed.
>> Is this being provided by Vans at no cost?
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:14 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You can still do the SB, you only need the A&P for the annual conditional
>>> inspection.
>>> Bill Greenley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler MD
>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:50 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>>>
>>>
>>> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours this sb
>>> will take my A+P?
>>> Alan
>>> N668G
>>> 300 hrs
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
>>>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
>>>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
>>>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
>>>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when it
>>>> spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
>>>> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on the engine mount.
>>>>
>>>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
>>>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding glue or JB
>>>> weld or something would be warranted to keep that plate from spinning.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which fix I
>>>> need to perform.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>>>> Vans reacts quickly - see
>>>>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodger
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
I also ordered mine today. They asked if I found a crack, and I said "I
don't know, but I doubt it since I have less than 300 hours and have never
operated off grass." They took that as "no cracks" and took my order. I
will of course be letting them know if I do indeed find a crack.
-Rob
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Yep. I ordered mine this afternoon.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe the parts are provided free.
> > Tim
> >
> >> On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes i understand
> >> Assuming no cracks the doubler needs to be installed.
> >> Is this being provided by Vans at no cost?
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:14 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> wgreenley@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> You can still do the SB, you only need the A&P for the annual
> conditional
> >>> inspection.
> >>> Bill Greenley
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Mekler MD
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:50 PM
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >>> Since I am not the builder of my rv10 any idea about how many hours
> this sb
> >>> will take my A+P?
> >>> Alan
> >>> N668G
> >>> 300 hrs
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm glad they came out with the SB. Just today I was going to inspect
> >>>> mine. What leaves me scratching my head is this...
> >>>>
> >>>> If you don't have cracks, and you do install the doubler plate, they
> >>>> don't specify any type of bonding agent to hold that doubler plate in
> >>>> place to the plate above it. It seems to me that if this thing isn't
> >>>> secured in at least some way, it may be very prone to spin and when it
> >>>> spins, the notched areas for the engine mount tubes won't necessarily
> >>>> line up and you could get this doubler plate wearing on the engine
> mount.
> >>>>
> >>>> For someone who's had theirs apart, does this seem correct?
> >>>> If so, I'd think perhaps some sort of very strong bonding glue or JB
> >>>> weld or something would be warranted to keep that plate from spinning.
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which fix I
> >>>> need to perform.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/29/2014 12:38 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
> >>>>> Vans reacts quickly - see
> >>>>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb14-8-29.pdf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rodger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Leaking Tank Blues |
Hi
For the past year or so I have been fighting a weeping tank rivet on the top my
QB tanks. I tried loctite but that didn't work at all.
Anyway, now that my wings are off for paint, I tried introducing proseal through
the fuel sender hole.
After some discussion with a local A&P, I decided to drill out the rivet and replace
it with a Cherry Max. Fortunately the wing was inverted on a table so I
was able to use a vaccuum to draw out most chips as I drilled out the rivet. Next
I opened the hole and hand countersunk it.
My concerns were that there would be a few small chips inside the tank as well
the rivet might not completely seal even when coated in proseal. To deal with
this, I introduced a couple of a small amount of proseal into the hole with a
small syringe. I then installed a cherry max rivet that was completely coated
in proseal.
A quick check today indicates the leak is gone!
Cheers
Les
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429620#429620
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank Blues |
I would have thought the gas would be greener on the other side of the
border. 8^)
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> For the past year or so I have been fighting a weeping tank rivet on the
> top my QB tanks. I tried loctite but that didn't work at all.
>
> Anyway, now that my wings are off for paint, I tried introducing proseal
> through the fuel sender hole.
>
> After some discussion with a local A&P, I decided to drill out the rivet
> and replace it with a Cherry Max. Fortunately the wing was inverted on a
> table so I was able to use a vaccuum to draw out most chips as I drilled
> out the rivet. Next I opened the hole and hand countersunk it.
>
> My concerns were that there would be a few small chips inside the tank as
> well the rivet might not completely seal even when coated in proseal. To
> deal with this, I introduced a couple of a small amount of proseal into the
> hole with a small syringe. I then installed a cherry max rivet that was
> completely coated in proseal.
>
> A quick check today indicates the leak is gone!
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429620#429620
>
>
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