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1. 06:53 AM - Re: RV-10 Paint Quantity (Carl Froehlich)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Werner Schneider)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Tim Olson)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Michael Kraus)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Werner Schneider)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Carlos Trigo)
7. 09:07 AM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Kelly McMullen)
8. 01:40 PM - Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Werner Schneider)
9. 05:26 PM - Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle (Sean Stephens)
10. 05:58 PM - Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle (Justin Jones)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle (Phillip Perry)
12. 10:55 PM - Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle (Gordon)
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| Subject: | RV-10 Paint Quantity |
Linn,
There are a lot of ways to do this. This example uses a coil of 3/8=94
aluminum tubing from Aircraft Spruce and some standard fittings. The
coil
shape is maintained by three pieces of wood and tie wraps. The air goes
in
at the top (red hose). The coil ends at a PVC =93T=94 fitting. The
opposite
side of the =93T=94 fitting connects via PVC fittings, out a hole in the
side of
the tub and to the brass drain valve. The top of the =93T=94 fitting
goes up
out of the water where you see the yellow air out hose connected. I
also
ran the out hose 6 feet or so vertically so any condensed but still
entrained water would drain back down into the PVC pipe. I blew the
water
out of the tub every hour or so. I made some ice blocks from gallon
milk
jugs and floated about four of them in the water while painting. When
not
in use empty the tube as the aluminum coil will corrode if left in
water.
This water separator was the third in line from my compressor. The
first is
a 10=92 up run of =BD=94 copper pipe, then a standard air filter, then
this.
Without this finally water separator I got water at the paint gun. With
it
I was always dry.
Have fun. After painting an RV-10 you will find out why commercial
paint
shops get so much money for a paint job.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Quantity
Thanks for the data Carl!
More questions on the water separator ...... which is air in and out?
Describe the stuff at the bottom of the vertical pipe .... and the drain
valve ... that's hidden by the tub.
Linn
On 9/2/2014 9:38 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
PPG base/clear coat is very high quality and forgiving to the amateur
painter (like me). I did two planes with this and will do the next one
the
same. The first plane is now 10 years after painting and still looks
like
the day it came out of the paint booth.
For the RV-10, start with a gallon of PPG DP-40LF primer but you will
most
likely need another two quarts. Assuming you will do a primary,
secondary
and then some accents in another color, start with a gallon of primary
color, two or three quarts of secondary and one quart of the accent
color
(get more as needed). You will need two gallons of clear. You will
need
about four gallons of PPG reducer (get the right one for the temperature
that you will be painting). Plan on ~$2500 for materials. I am just 4
miles from a PPG distributor. If you have to order and such then get
more
to start.
Use PPG Alumi Prep with ScotchBrite pads, one good coat of primer, two
coats
of color, two coats of clear. If you are using a tri coat (like a lot
of
metallic reds or pearl yellows) do two coats of base, two coats of pearl
(or
candy) and then two coats of clear. Follow the times listed with the
product for flash, recoat, tape and top coat exactly.
Paint with the wings, empennage, ailerons, flaps, doors and cowl off.
The
RV-10 is so big your arm will get tired so be prepared. Paint the wings
first as they are the easiest so you get the hang of it. Prep, prime,
color
and top coat the wings in one weekend, the cowl and doors the next, then
empennage and control surfaces, and the fuselage last (the hardest part
as
it is so big and you get to spend a lot of time on your back).
Attached is a homemade air/water separator that did a very nice job for
me.
Note the water drain valve. Fill the tub with water and ice.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fdombroski
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Paint Quantity
<mailto:f.dombroski@yahoo.com> <f.dombroski@yahoo.com>
I am ordering paint for the RV-10. Does anyone that used PPG Deltron
2000
know the paint quantity required for the base color and clear coat?
Also the quantity of Epoxy Primer needed?
Many Thanks,
Frank
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RV-10 2.0 N46VT soon to be flying
KSMQ Somerset Airport NJ
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
On 29.08.2014 21:23, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> ........
> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
> plate from spinning.
>
> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
> fix I need to perform.
>
Hi Tim,
what is the outcome of your investigation? And did you talk with Van's
about "glueing" the new plate to the mount?
Cheers Werner
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Hi,
I posted it that same day. The Van's tech team
guys were just talking about it when I called.
They agree that it should probably be
prevented from moving. Either by welding it
along the edge, or by proseal or similar to
bond it in place.
Tim
On 9/3/2014 9:05 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>
>
> On 29.08.2014 21:23, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> ........
>> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
>> plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
>> fix I need to perform.
>>
> Hi Tim,
>
> what is the outcome of your investigation? And did you talk with Van's
> about "glueing" the new plate to the mount?
>
> Cheers Werner
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Data point.... 180 hours exclusively off of grass. No cracks.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 29.08.2014 21:23, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> ........
>> glue or JB weld or something would be warranted to keep that
>> plate from spinning.
>>
>> I guess I'll know more after I have mine apart and see which
>> fix I need to perform.
> Hi Tim,
>
> what is the outcome of your investigation? And did you talk with Van's about
"glueing" the new plate to the mount?
>
> Cheers Werner
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Thanks for the update on that Tim, I've not seen that posting strange
but I know now.
I guess there will then be an SB update on that.
Cheers Werner
On 03.09.2014 16:46, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I posted it that same day. The Van's tech team
> ..........
>
> Tim
>
>
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Hello Werner
If you decide to order the parts for this SB, count with1 set for me.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Werner
Schneider
Enviada: 3 de setembro de 2014 16:27
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
<mailto:glastar@gmx.net> glastar@gmx.net>
Thanks for the update on that Tim, I've not seen that posting strange
but I know now.
I guess there will then be an SB update on that.
Cheers Werner
On 03.09.2014 16:46, Tim Olson wrote:
Tim@myrv10.com>
>
> Hi,
> I posted it that same day. The Van's tech team ..........
>
> Tim
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
I sent email request to Van's support late Friday and had reply
yesterday morning. Parts are being supplied free.
Just contact them with your builder number.
On 9/3/2014 8:45 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Hello Werner
>
> If you decide to order the parts for this SB, count with1 set for me.
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Werner Schneider
> Enviada: 3 de setembro de 2014 16:27
> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>
> <mailto:glastar@gmx.net>>
>
> Thanks for the update on that Tim, I've not seen that posting strange
> but I know now.
>
> I guess there will then be an SB update on that.
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 03.09.2014 16:46, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> >
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I posted it that same day. The Van's tech team ..........
>
> >
>
> > Tim
>
> >
>
> >
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
Hello Carlos,
I'm afraid to late Michael did order for all 4 Swiss (at least what
we've discussed) but it's easy, you call Van's have your serial handy
and tell the status of your engine mount.
Are you in Bracciano for the EFLEVA meeting?
Cheers Werner
do not archive
On 03.09.2014 17:45, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> Hello Werner
>
> If you decide to order the parts for this SB, count with1 set for me.
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Werner Schneider
> Enviada: 3 de setembro de 2014 16:27
> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: SB 2014-08-29
>
> <mailto:glastar@gmx.net>>
>
> Thanks for the update on that Tim, I've not seen that posting strange
> but I know now.
>
> I guess there will then be an SB update on that.
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 03.09.2014 16:46, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> >
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I posted it that same day. The Van's tech team ..........
>
> >
>
> > Tim
>
> >
>
> >
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle |
I am experiencing a "knocking" which sounds kinda like metal on metal in
the top right lord mount when the engine is at full idle (~750 RPM) or
right at shutdown when the vibration is the most. I took the lord mount
off and inspected, but all looks right. Well, there does seem to be a
very minute amount of play with the lord mount inside the ears.
Took me a while to isolate it to the top right mount, but finally
arrived there with and extra pair of hands.
Has anyone experienced anything similar to this with their lord mounts?
Not sure what is actually causing the knocking sound.
One further note is that this knocking sound is not present at greater
than idle and the engine is very smooth otherwise.
Thanks,
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle |
Was it loose at all when you removed it? There should be an insert in there that
will rattle around when loose or cracked.
On Sep 3, 2014, at 16:26, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> I am experiencing a "knocking" which sounds kinda like metal on metal in the
top right lord mount when the engine is at full idle (~750 RPM) or right at shutdown
when the vibration is the most. I took the lord mount off and inspected,
but all looks right. Well, there does seem to be a very minute amount of play
with the lord mount inside the ears.
>
> Took me a while to isolate it to the top right mount, but finally arrived there
with and extra pair of hands.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything similar to this with their lord mounts? Not
sure what is actually causing the knocking sound.
>
> One further note is that this knocking sound is not present at greater than idle
and the engine is very smooth otherwise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle |
I'd try a stethoscope with a long probe on it to isolate it first. They
work very well with knocks and cost less than 10 bucks usually. You can
find them in just about any parts store, sears, or harbor freight.
You certainly want to know that it's not a lifter knocking with low oil
pressure (idle or shutdown). But I'd isolate it for sure so I know 100%
where it's coming from.
Phil
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>
> Was it loose at all when you removed it? There should be an insert in
> there that will rattle around when loose or cracked.
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2014, at 16:26, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I am experiencing a "knocking" which sounds kinda like metal on metal in
> the top right lord mount when the engine is at full idle (~750 RPM) or
> right at shutdown when the vibration is the most. I took the lord mount
> off and inspected, but all looks right. Well, there does seem to be a very
> minute amount of play with the lord mount inside the ears.
> >
> > Took me a while to isolate it to the top right mount, but finally
> arrived there with and extra pair of hands.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced anything similar to this with their lord mounts?
> Not sure what is actually causing the knocking sound.
> >
> > One further note is that this knocking sound is not present at greater
> than idle and the engine is very smooth otherwise.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Sean #40303
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Knocking In Lord Mount at Idle |
Hi Sean, If the mounts are old and sagged, or the assembly is off center, additional
movement from shutdown vibration can cause the bolt sleeve to knock against
the inside bore of the mounts. That should be a metal on rubber contact, but
might cause the mount to tap on the bore in the ear giving a metal to metal
contact.
Good luck with the search.
Gordon
41015 Switzerland
On 04.09.2014, at 02:57, Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Was it loose at all when you removed it? There should be an insert in there that
will rattle around when loose or cracked.
>
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2014, at 16:26, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am experiencing a "knocking" which sounds kinda like metal on metal in the
top right lord mount when the engine is at full idle (~750 RPM) or right at shutdown
when the vibration is the most. I took the lord mount off and inspected,
but all looks right. Well, there does seem to be a very minute amount of
play with the lord mount inside the ears.
>>
>> Took me a while to isolate it to the top right mount, but finally arrived there
with and extra pair of hands.
>>
>> Has anyone experienced anything similar to this with their lord mounts? Not
sure what is actually causing the knocking sound.
>>
>> One further note is that this knocking sound is not present at greater than
idle and the engine is very smooth otherwise.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Sean #40303
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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