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1. 02:11 AM - Re: Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Alan Mekler MD)
2. 12:39 PM - Circuit protection for long battery wire (bob88)
3. 02:46 PM - two pilots in phase one (Bob Turner)
4. 03:00 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (John Trollinger)
5. 03:15 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson)
6. 03:16 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson)
7. 04:03 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Jesse Saint)
8. 06:13 PM - Re: Circuit protection for long battery wire (John MacCallum)
9. 07:02 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson)
10. 08:05 PM - Re: Circuit protection for long battery wire (Kelly McMullen)
11. 11:28 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: SB 2014-08-29 |
did my inspection yesterday. no cracks. minimal wear. welds looked good
zinc coated the doubler
alan
n668g 300 hrs( first 50 hrs were on grass runway)
On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
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> I requested mine last week, got it today. If someone is AOG and really
needs it, could forward. Planning on painting this pm and mount in the
next day or two.
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> On 9/8/2014 1:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
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>> I didn't find any cracks .... and no grass field ops ....... ;-)
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>> I'm not flying yet so if someone needs one (and I'm not on the
backorder list too :-P ) let me know. All I got was an email saying
they'd send it out.
>> Linn
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>> On 9/8/2014 4:44 PM, johngoodman wrote:
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>>> I found no cracks, and ordered the WD-1001K-MOD today from Van. They
told me that it was backordered, so it will be a few weeks. I don't plan
on installing it until my next Condition.
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| Subject: | Circuit protection for long battery wire |
It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire from battery
to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The starter draws
the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range.
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| Subject: | two pilots in phase one |
The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board
in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
I don't think they could have made this any more complicated to
understand. How they can not write simple instructions is beyond me.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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> The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
Is there a link?
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
Thanks google.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
It takes some concentration to understand how it works, but it really does clarify
what is permissible and I think it's a good move. The appear to have covered
he bases well to avoid just taking passengers around during Phase 1.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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> On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
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> Thanks google.
> http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667
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>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Circuit protection for long battery wire |
Yes I thought about that as well. You would indeed need a big Fuse to take
care of the stall current of the starter motor.
I decided in the end the to not do that and I just double insulated the 2 Ga
Tezel Battery Cable with Nylon Conduit.
If the Battery or starter Solenoids go to ground then I guess I will just
destroy the battery (hopefully lots of smoke but not much fire).
I think the stall current of the Starter is 170 amps so somewhere around 180
amps should be ok. You can get ANL and AML fuses and lots of other
Types in those sort of fuse ratings.
Cheers
John MacCallum
VH-DUU
RV 10 # 41016
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 5:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Circuit protection for long battery wire
It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire from
battery to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The
starter draws the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431149#431149
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
It sure does look like they have a process. It's pretty strict, that's for sure.
I think that if someone actually meets all of the requirements they're likely
to be a pretty good asset.
I just did the run through and tried to see if the wife would qualify and no way
Jose'. It is definitely strict enough that you don't have a chance until you
have at least 500 hours.
I would almost think it could be overkill on some items, but then again the goal
is to get a very experienced person. I started to wonder when you get more
points for flying 20 or more types of aircraft....if you had a guy with 600 hours
of ONLY Rv10 experience I would tend to think he'd be an asset still...but
it may be hard for him to meet the numbers. I think they should give more weight
if you have lots of hours in make and model.
The one mixed bag is the alternative engine thing too. I would like to say I'm
sympathetic to those with alternatives, and they should be able to have a 2nd
pilot too because it would be useful....but in all honesty, I think the rule
is fin as-is in that regard. Even in the very small sample of RV10 accidents
and/or fatals, non-aircraft origin engines make too high of a statistical risk...so
better to keep the souls on board to 1. It could be a waste of a perfectly
good 1000 hour CFI/test pilot if they were allowed aboard.
Also, clearly there is enough documentation required that it will be hard to fudge
the numbers and say your hangar buddy is qualified....you'll have a lot of
pre-planning to do.
Tim
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:02 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
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> It takes some concentration to understand how it works, but it really does clarify
what is permissible and I think it's a good move. The appear to have covered
he bases well to avoid just taking passengers around during Phase 1.
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> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks google.
>> http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667
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>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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>>> The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on
board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means.
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>>> --------
>>> Bob Turner
>>> RV-10 QB
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit protection for long battery wire |
There is zero need to fuse that wire. No certified plane with the battery
in the rear has any circuit protection between the master relay at the
battery and the starter relay.
If that wire ever shorts, it will burn enough metal to eliminate the short,
faster than an ANL would open the circuit. Bob Nuckolls, host of the
AeroElectric forum and long time industry electrical guru does not
recommend an circuit protection on that wire beyond what the master relay
provides. The only line you might want ANL on is the power lead from the
alternator. Easy to find in the 60-100 amp range.
Kelly
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:39 PM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire
> from battery to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The
> starter draws the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431149#431149
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| Subject: | Re: two pilots in phase one |
I think there is some value in a test pilot having experience in a large variety
of aircraft, although I have no idea if 20 is the right number.
CFI's and others who frequently move from one type to another tend to develop a
knack for almost immediately adjusting to different aircraft. This could be handy
if for some unexpected reason your plane does not fly like a standard -10.
As to following the rules, I'm afraid I'm a pessimist. People have shown they're
willing to ignore the black and white 'no passengers' rule now. If the rule
is 'sometimes a passenger' there will be some who feel they can ignore the technical
details.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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