---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/26/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:11 AM - Re: Re: SB 2014-08-29 (Alan Mekler MD) 2. 12:39 PM - Circuit protection for long battery wire (bob88) 3. 02:46 PM - two pilots in phase one (Bob Turner) 4. 03:00 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (John Trollinger) 5. 03:15 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson) 6. 03:16 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson) 7. 04:03 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Jesse Saint) 8. 06:13 PM - Re: Circuit protection for long battery wire (John MacCallum) 9. 07:02 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Tim Olson) 10. 08:05 PM - Re: Circuit protection for long battery wire (Kelly McMullen) 11. 11:28 PM - Re: two pilots in phase one (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:14 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: SB 2014-08-29 did my inspection yesterday. no cracks. minimal wear. welds looked good zinc coated the doubler alan n668g 300 hrs( first 50 hrs were on grass runway) On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I requested mine last week, got it today. If someone is AOG and really needs it, could forward. Planning on painting this pm and mount in the next day or two. > > On 9/8/2014 1:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >> >> I didn't find any cracks .... and no grass field ops ....... ;-) >> >> I'm not flying yet so if someone needs one (and I'm not on the backorder list too :-P ) let me know. All I got was an email saying they'd send it out. >> Linn >> >> On 9/8/2014 4:44 PM, johngoodman wrote: >>> >>> I found no cracks, and ordered the WD-1001K-MOD today from Van. They told me that it was backordered, so it will be a few weeks. I don't plan on installing it until my next Condition. >>> John >>> >>> -------- >>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430197#430197 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:58 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Circuit protection for long battery wire From: "bob88" It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire from battery to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The starter draws the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431149#431149 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one From: "Bob Turner" The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one From: John Trollinger I don't think they could have made this any more complicated to understand. How they can not write simple instructions is beyond me. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on > board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:21 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one Is there a link? > On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > > The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:08 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one Thanks google. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667 > On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > > The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:47 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one It takes some concentration to understand how it works, but it really does clarify what is permissible and I think it's a good move. The appear to have covered he bases well to avoid just taking passengers around during Phase 1. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > Thanks google. > http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667 > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: >> >> >> The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:43 PM PST US From: John MacCallum Subject: RE: RV10-List: Circuit protection for long battery wire Yes I thought about that as well. You would indeed need a big Fuse to take care of the stall current of the starter motor. I decided in the end the to not do that and I just double insulated the 2 Ga Tezel Battery Cable with Nylon Conduit. If the Battery or starter Solenoids go to ground then I guess I will just destroy the battery (hopefully lots of smoke but not much fire). I think the stall current of the Starter is 170 amps so somewhere around 180 amps should be ok. You can get ANL and AML fuses and lots of other Types in those sort of fuse ratings. Cheers John MacCallum VH-DUU RV 10 # 41016 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 5:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Circuit protection for long battery wire It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire from battery to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The starter draws the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431149#431149 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:19 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: two pilots in phase one It sure does look like they have a process. It's pretty strict, that's for sure. I think that if someone actually meets all of the requirements they're likely to be a pretty good asset. I just did the run through and tried to see if the wife would qualify and no way Jose'. It is definitely strict enough that you don't have a chance until you have at least 500 hours. I would almost think it could be overkill on some items, but then again the goal is to get a very experienced person. I started to wonder when you get more points for flying 20 or more types of aircraft....if you had a guy with 600 hours of ONLY Rv10 experience I would tend to think he'd be an asset still...but it may be hard for him to meet the numbers. I think they should give more weight if you have lots of hours in make and model. The one mixed bag is the alternative engine thing too. I would like to say I'm sympathetic to those with alternatives, and they should be able to have a 2nd pilot too because it would be useful....but in all honesty, I think the rule is fin as-is in that regard. Even in the very small sample of RV10 accidents and/or fatals, non-aircraft origin engines make too high of a statistical risk...so better to keep the souls on board to 1. It could be a waste of a perfectly good 1000 hour CFI/test pilot if they were allowed aboard. Also, clearly there is enough documentation required that it will be hard to fudge the numbers and say your hangar buddy is qualified....you'll have a lot of pre-planning to do. Tim > On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:02 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > > It takes some concentration to understand how it works, but it really does clarify what is permissible and I think it's a good move. The appear to have covered he bases well to avoid just taking passengers around during Phase 1. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > 352-427-0285 > jesse@saintaviation.com > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> >> Thanks google. >> http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025667 >> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: >>> >>> >>> The FAA has just released the ac allowing qualified second pilots to be on board in phase one. The ac details what "qualified" means. >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Turner >>> RV-10 QB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431154#431154 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Circuit protection for long battery wire From: Kelly McMullen There is zero need to fuse that wire. No certified plane with the battery in the rear has any circuit protection between the master relay at the battery and the starter relay. If that wire ever shorts, it will burn enough metal to eliminate the short, faster than an ANL would open the circuit. Bob Nuckolls, host of the AeroElectric forum and long time industry electrical guru does not recommend an circuit protection on that wire beyond what the master relay provides. The only line you might want ANL on is the power lead from the alternator. Easy to find in the 60-100 amp range. Kelly On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:39 PM, bob88 wrote: > > It seems there should be a current limiter to protect the long P27 wire > from battery to starter relay up front. What size fuse should be used? The > starter draws the most, up to 300 amps but I don't see fuses in this range. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431149#431149 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:29 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: two pilots in phase one From: "Bob Turner" I think there is some value in a test pilot having experience in a large variety of aircraft, although I have no idea if 20 is the right number. CFI's and others who frequently move from one type to another tend to develop a knack for almost immediately adjusting to different aircraft. This could be handy if for some unexpected reason your plane does not fly like a standard -10. As to following the rules, I'm afraid I'm a pessimist. People have shown they're willing to ignore the black and white 'no passengers' rule now. If the rule is 'sometimes a passenger' there will be some who feel they can ignore the technical details. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431178#431178 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.