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1. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson)
2. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Linn Walters)
3. 09:59 AM - Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Sean Stephens)
4. 09:59 AM - Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Sean Stephens)
5. 10:31 AM - Re: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Tcwtech)
6. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson)
7. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing |
Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with a
cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not from
wear but from some out of spec parts.
On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should put
> it in the online catalog.
>
> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563
> R0 VA-144 OVSZ
> OVERSIZED BUSHING
>
> Linn
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> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote:
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>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer for
>> some reason.....
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>> Bill
>> WA0SYV
>> Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing |
My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners
..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder about
the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that does the
conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't found and done
where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does the nose gear fail?
Not something I want to experience, and might if not for this list.
If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection
catch them? So many nagging questions.
Linn
On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
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> Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with a
> cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not
> from wear but from some out of spec parts.
>
> On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should put
>> it in the online catalog.
>>
>> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563
>> R0 VA-144 OVSZ
>> OVERSIZED BUSHING
>>
>> Linn
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer
>>> for some reason.....
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bill
>>> WA0SYV
>>> Aviation Partners, LLC
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554
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| Subject: | Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables |
Has anyone used the button lock A-700 control cables instead of the
A-740 glide free cables that come with the kit? If so, are you happy
with them?
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables |
Has anyone used the button lock control cables such as the A-700 instead
of the A-740 glide free cables that come with the kit?
If so, do you like the action better? I am not a fan of the glide free
cables and am looking for an alternative.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables |
Yes. All my controls are the button lock type with veneer adjustment. I like
them a lot. It's been 250 hrs and I would do it again exactly the same.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
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> Has anyone used the button lock A-700 control cables instead of the A-740 glide
free cables that come with the kit? If so, are you happy with them?
>
> -Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing |
Agreed. Just adding information.
I would further say that Vans is and has been doing a lousy job of
supporting those of us in flying/maintenance mode. It seems they may be
responsive in one-on-one react mode but lousy in the proactive
informing-the-(the RV10)-flying-community mode. However, as far as
one-on-one support I wouldn't know since I stopped calling Vans for
advice after I got the "don't worry, it's not the Shuttle, it's more
like a lawn mower" speech.
Excellent designs, well engineered kits, good customer service,
questionable customer support. Perhaps the most you can expect from
such an outstanding engineering firm.
(sarcasm off)
The cracked plate resulted from a minor design oversight. The SB is
good but a Service Alert/Letter/Bulletin regarding periodic adjustment
could have helped many owners avoid the cracking in the first place. A
similar communication seems appropriate for the loose bearings.
...just so you understand where I'm coming from Linn. Sorry if it
seemed otherwise.
Bill "SB update 3.01; the agony and the ecstasy of CHT and EGT probes
for each GD cylinder" Watson
On 10/6/2014 12:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners
> ..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder
> about the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that
> does the conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't
> found and done where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does the
> nose gear fail? Not something I want to experience, and might if not
> for this list.
> If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection
> catch them? So many nagging questions.
> Linn
>
> On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with
>> a cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not
>> from wear but from some out of spec parts.
>>
>> On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should
>>> put it in the online catalog.
>>>
>>> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563
>>> R0 VA-144 OVSZ
>>> OVERSIZED BUSHING
>>>
>>> Linn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote:
>>>> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer
>>>> for some reason.....
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Bill
>>>> WA0SYV
>>>> Aviation Partners, LLC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing |
Okay, that was a rather cringe-worthy post.
Rather than retract my rant, let me clarify a bit.
I'm in love with my '10 and everything having to do with it including
Vans. Van and his team stand a top one of the greatest aviation
enterprises in the short history of aviation.
How did they do it? At the heart, great design and engineering for a
once nascent market. Great engineering makes the world turn and in the
case of the RV line of airplanes, the product sells itself. Well
designed, engineered and produced for a market segment just drooling for
such an offering. I'm one of them and I'm very happy.
I do enjoy telling people "oohing and ahhing" over my plane that they
need to understand that it is a highly evolved kit. Building it is
pretty easy to do and that if they were so motivated, they could do it
too. I also enjoy telling them while I had a lot of help completing it,
the factory is the last place to go for that help. Rather it was a
social media community supported build for me. The community of
builders is resource that makes it all possible for the former model
airplane builders and their like to complete such a project.
I remember going to Oshkosh and S&F looking for a plane to build. Lots
of people were selling kits but Vans could barely be accused of it. No,
it was very hard to engage someone from the factory in trying to
convince you to buy a kit... unless perhaps you took the time to
schedule a flight or something. Want a hat, no problem. Want a ride,
there's a line. Want to listen to employees compare trip stories, just
listen in. No, the product sold itself, the designer/engineer's dream!
No need to go to a show or take a ride. It's reputation in the
community and the numbers involved told a pretty compelling story for
this buyer. I was looking at the '7, dreaming of a '14 and then the '10
flew. Oh Yeah!
My guess is that customer support is a litigation liability in addition
to being costly. But most important, the builder/flyer community does a
more than adequate job of providing that support. It would seem that
the '12 is getting a little better flying support just because it's the
latest offering.
Anyway, half of my temp probes are wired now - the other half will get
their bloodied knuckles tomorrow. B*tch B*tch B*tch.
Bill "writing stuff helps" Watson
On 10/6/2014 2:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Agreed. Just adding information.
>
> I would further say that Vans is and has been doing a lousy job of
> supporting those of us in flying/maintenance mode. It seems they may
> be responsive in one-on-one react mode but lousy in the proactive
> informing-the-(the RV10)-flying-community mode. However, as far as
> one-on-one support I wouldn't know since I stopped calling Vans for
> advice after I got the "don't worry, it's not the Shuttle, it's more
> like a lawn mower" speech.
>
> Excellent designs, well engineered kits, good customer service,
> questionable customer support. Perhaps the most you can expect from
> such an outstanding engineering firm.
> (sarcasm off)
>
> The cracked plate resulted from a minor design oversight. The SB is
> good but a Service Alert/Letter/Bulletin regarding periodic
> adjustment could have helped many owners avoid the cracking in the
> first place. A similar communication seems appropriate for the loose
> bearings.
>
> ...just so you understand where I'm coming from Linn. Sorry if it
> seemed otherwise.
>
> Bill "SB update 3.01; the agony and the ecstasy of CHT and EGT probes
> for each GD cylinder" Watson
>
> On 10/6/2014 12:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners
>> ..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder
>> about the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that
>> does the conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't
>> found and done where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does
>> the nose gear fail? Not something I want to experience, and might if
>> not for this list.
>> If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection
>> catch them? So many nagging questions.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with
>>> a cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not
>>> from wear but from some out of spec parts.
>>>
>>> On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should
>>>> put it in the online catalog.
>>>>
>>>> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563
>>>> R0 VA-144 OVSZ
>>>> OVERSIZED BUSHING
>>>>
>>>> Linn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote:
>>>>> <peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer
>>>>> for some reason.....
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> WA0SYV
>>>>> Aviation Partners, LLC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554
>>>>>
>>>>>
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