---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/06/14: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson) 2. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Linn Walters) 3. 09:59 AM - Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Sean Stephens) 4. 09:59 AM - Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Sean Stephens) 5. 10:31 AM - Re: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables (Tcwtech) 6. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson) 7. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing (Bill Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:53 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with a cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not from wear but from some out of spec parts. On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should put > it in the online catalog. > > BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563 > R0 VA-144 OVSZ > OVERSIZED BUSHING > > Linn > > > On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote: >> >> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer for >> some reason..... >> >> -------- >> Bill >> WA0SYV >> Aviation Partners, LLC >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:09 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners ..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder about the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that does the conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't found and done where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does the nose gear fail? Not something I want to experience, and might if not for this list. If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection catch them? So many nagging questions. Linn On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with a > cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not > from wear but from some out of spec parts. > > On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >> >> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should put >> it in the online catalog. >> >> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563 >> R0 VA-144 OVSZ >> OVERSIZED BUSHING >> >> Linn >> >> >> >> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer >>> for some reason..... >>> >>> -------- >>> Bill >>> WA0SYV >>> Aviation Partners, LLC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:38 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables Has anyone used the button lock A-700 control cables instead of the A-740 glide free cables that come with the kit? If so, are you happy with them? -Sean #40303 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:38 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables Has anyone used the button lock control cables such as the A-700 instead of the A-740 glide free cables that come with the kit? If so, do you like the action better? I am not a fan of the glide free cables and am looking for an alternative. -Sean #40303 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Button Lock vs Glide Free Control Cables From: Tcwtech Yes. All my controls are the button lock type with veneer adjustment. I like them a lot. It's been 250 hrs and I would do it again exactly the same. Bob Newman TCW Technologies, LLC 610-928-3420 > On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > > Has anyone used the button lock A-700 control cables instead of the A-740 glide free cables that come with the kit? If so, are you happy with them? > > -Sean #40303 > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:06 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing Agreed. Just adding information. I would further say that Vans is and has been doing a lousy job of supporting those of us in flying/maintenance mode. It seems they may be responsive in one-on-one react mode but lousy in the proactive informing-the-(the RV10)-flying-community mode. However, as far as one-on-one support I wouldn't know since I stopped calling Vans for advice after I got the "don't worry, it's not the Shuttle, it's more like a lawn mower" speech. Excellent designs, well engineered kits, good customer service, questionable customer support. Perhaps the most you can expect from such an outstanding engineering firm. (sarcasm off) The cracked plate resulted from a minor design oversight. The SB is good but a Service Alert/Letter/Bulletin regarding periodic adjustment could have helped many owners avoid the cracking in the first place. A similar communication seems appropriate for the loose bearings. ...just so you understand where I'm coming from Linn. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. Bill "SB update 3.01; the agony and the ecstasy of CHT and EGT probes for each GD cylinder" Watson On 10/6/2014 12:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners > ..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder > about the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that > does the conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't > found and done where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does the > nose gear fail? Not something I want to experience, and might if not > for this list. > If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection > catch them? So many nagging questions. > Linn > > On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote: >> >> Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with >> a cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not >> from wear but from some out of spec parts. >> >> On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >>> >>> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should >>> put it in the online catalog. >>> >>> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563 >>> R0 VA-144 OVSZ >>> OVERSIZED BUSHING >>> >>> Linn >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer >>>> for some reason..... >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Bill >>>> WA0SYV >>>> Aviation Partners, LLC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:57 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: VA-144 Nose Gear Bushing Okay, that was a rather cringe-worthy post. Rather than retract my rant, let me clarify a bit. I'm in love with my '10 and everything having to do with it including Vans. Van and his team stand a top one of the greatest aviation enterprises in the short history of aviation. How did they do it? At the heart, great design and engineering for a once nascent market. Great engineering makes the world turn and in the case of the RV line of airplanes, the product sells itself. Well designed, engineered and produced for a market segment just drooling for such an offering. I'm one of them and I'm very happy. I do enjoy telling people "oohing and ahhing" over my plane that they need to understand that it is a highly evolved kit. Building it is pretty easy to do and that if they were so motivated, they could do it too. I also enjoy telling them while I had a lot of help completing it, the factory is the last place to go for that help. Rather it was a social media community supported build for me. The community of builders is resource that makes it all possible for the former model airplane builders and their like to complete such a project. I remember going to Oshkosh and S&F looking for a plane to build. Lots of people were selling kits but Vans could barely be accused of it. No, it was very hard to engage someone from the factory in trying to convince you to buy a kit... unless perhaps you took the time to schedule a flight or something. Want a hat, no problem. Want a ride, there's a line. Want to listen to employees compare trip stories, just listen in. No, the product sold itself, the designer/engineer's dream! No need to go to a show or take a ride. It's reputation in the community and the numbers involved told a pretty compelling story for this buyer. I was looking at the '7, dreaming of a '14 and then the '10 flew. Oh Yeah! My guess is that customer support is a litigation liability in addition to being costly. But most important, the builder/flyer community does a more than adequate job of providing that support. It would seem that the '12 is getting a little better flying support just because it's the latest offering. Anyway, half of my temp probes are wired now - the other half will get their bloodied knuckles tomorrow. B*tch B*tch B*tch. Bill "writing stuff helps" Watson On 10/6/2014 2:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > Agreed. Just adding information. > > I would further say that Vans is and has been doing a lousy job of > supporting those of us in flying/maintenance mode. It seems they may > be responsive in one-on-one react mode but lousy in the proactive > informing-the-(the RV10)-flying-community mode. However, as far as > one-on-one support I wouldn't know since I stopped calling Vans for > advice after I got the "don't worry, it's not the Shuttle, it's more > like a lawn mower" speech. > > Excellent designs, well engineered kits, good customer service, > questionable customer support. Perhaps the most you can expect from > such an outstanding engineering firm. > (sarcasm off) > > The cracked plate resulted from a minor design oversight. The SB is > good but a Service Alert/Letter/Bulletin regarding periodic > adjustment could have helped many owners avoid the cracking in the > first place. A similar communication seems appropriate for the loose > bearings. > > ...just so you understand where I'm coming from Linn. Sorry if it > seemed otherwise. > > Bill "SB update 3.01; the agony and the ecstasy of CHT and EGT probes > for each GD cylinder" Watson > > On 10/6/2014 12:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >> >> My point was that they have a fix that's hidden from the -10 owners >> ..... or at least not widely known as this thread shows. I wonder >> about the owner/not builder that has no clue .... and the A&P that >> does the conditional inspection. What happens if the 'fix' isn't >> found and done where the 'slop' (out of spec) exists ..... ? Does >> the nose gear fail? Not something I want to experience, and might if >> not for this list. >> If it is truly an out of spec part, why didn't a quality inspection >> catch them? So many nagging questions. >> Linn >> >> On 10/6/2014 12:41 PM, Bill Watson wrote: >>> >>> Must have been a batch of bushings or mounts. I'm at 500 hours with >>> a cracked plate but no side play to speak of which suggests it's not >>> from wear but from some out of spec parts. >>> >>> On 10/5/2014 9:00 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >>>> >>>> With more need for the oversize bushing it seems like they should >>>> put it in the online catalog. >>>> >>>> BUSH-ST 313X780X1.563 >>>> R0 VA-144 OVSZ >>>> OVERSIZED BUSHING >>>> >>>> Linn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/5/2014 8:25 PM, bill.peyton wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Sean. The P/N does not show up in his post on my computer >>>>> for some reason..... >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Bill >>>>> WA0SYV >>>>> Aviation Partners, LLC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431554#431554 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.