---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/07/15: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:23 PM - Insurance mystery (woxofswa) 2. 03:07 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Tim Olson) 3. 03:37 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (woxofswa) 4. 04:02 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Carl Froehlich) 5. 04:16 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Rob Kermanj) 6. 04:21 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Dj Merrill) 7. 04:24 PM - Gust Locks (kearney) 8. 04:31 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (John Cox) 9. 04:32 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Bob Leffler) 10. 04:32 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Tim Olson) 11. 04:37 PM - Re: Gust Locks (Rene) 12. 05:02 PM - Re: Gust Locks (Alan Mekler MD) 13. 05:09 PM - Re: Gust Locks (Bob Leffler) 14. 05:12 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Rob Kermanj) 15. 05:12 PM - Re: Gust Locks (kearney) 16. 05:27 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Bob Turner) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: Gust Locks (Bob Turner) 18. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Gust Locks (Alan Mekler MD) 19. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Gust Locks (Alan Mekler MD) 20. 05:50 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Tim Olson) 21. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Insurance mystery (Tim Olson) 22. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Gust Locks (Pascal) 23. 06:44 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Jenny Estes) 24. 10:28 PM - Re: Insurance mystery (Bob Turner) 25. 10:46 PM - Lord adhesive window installation question (Dan Charrois) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:44 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: "woxofswa" I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:41 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. Tim Do not archive > On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. > I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. > This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." > I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:09 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Insurance mystery From: "woxofswa" I can't confirm that you are right ... But I would correct you if you were wrong. :D -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440395#440395 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:23 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance mystery I just renewed my policy with Nation Air and got a nice surprise - $700+ lower premium than last year with the same coverage. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. Tim Do not archive > On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. > I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. > This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." > I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: Rob Kermanj Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. > When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". > Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. > Tim > Do not archive > > > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >> >> >> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. >> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." >> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Flew May 10 2014 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: Dj Merrill Myron, I had the exact same experience, two quotes over two years, both more than twice the amount of the others, and finally telling them to stop mailing me. I have to admit I like Tim's "mail back" program better! :-) -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:40 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Gust Locks From: "kearney" Hi I am interested in a gust lock and am wondering if there are any current opinions regarding same. I am thinking that something that pins the surfaces is not what I want - I think I would prefer something that has a little give (ie uses elastics / bungee cords). I do have an email into Wild Blue Innovations but haven't heard back from them. I do have a couple of limitations -I have Control Approach rudder pedals and my control sticks have covers. Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440398#440398 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: John Cox Great recommendation! On Apr 7, 2015 3:09 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: > > Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. > When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in > the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too > expensive". > Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the > price. > Tim > Do not archive > > > > On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > > > > > I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. > They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), > and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, > magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. > > I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed > them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as > much as what I eventually ended up with. > > This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their > quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company > truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental > aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market > segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with > this every day." > > I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from > their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads > claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite > enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to > operate to me. > > > > -------- > > Myron Nelson > > Mesa, AZ > > Flew May 10 2014 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: Bob Leffler As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: > > > Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now. > > Do not archive. > > Rob Kermanj > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> >> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. >> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". >> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. >> Tim >> Do not archive >> >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. >>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." >>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. >>> >>> -------- >>> Myron Nelson >>> Mesa, AZ >>> Flew May 10 2014 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:43 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery I'm with Nationair too and mine also dropped this year....good stuff. Tim > On Apr 7, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > > I just renewed my policy with Nation Air and got a nice surprise - $700+ > lower premium than last year with the same coverage. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:02 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery > > > Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. > When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in > the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too > expensive". > Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the > price. > Tim > Do not archive > > > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >> >> >> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They > specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and > advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine > ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them > to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as > what I eventually ended up with. >> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their > quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company > truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental > aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market > segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this > every day." >> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from > their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads > claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite > enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to > operate to me. >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Flew May 10 2014 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:48 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gust Locks I have tried a couple, but I am back to H-Man. PVC pipe with rubber chair legs on one end and PVC cut on the other end to match the pedals. Use seat belt for stick. Hard to take off with them in......always placed on pilot side. I know it now exactly an H....looks something like this. All parts came from the aviation department of Home Depot. -----| |----- |--------| -----| |----- Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 5:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gust Locks Hi I am interested in a gust lock and am wondering if there are any current opinions regarding same. I am thinking that something that pins the surfaces is not what I want - I think I would prefer something that has a little give (ie uses elastics / bungee cords). I do have an email into Wild Blue Innovations but haven't heard back from them. I do have a couple of limitations -I have Control Approach rudder pedals and my control sticks have covers. Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440398#440398 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gust Locks From: Alan Mekler MD i have been happy with the GUST BUSTER Alan N6668G > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:19 PM, kearney wrote: > > > Hi > > I am interested in a gust lock and am wondering if there are any current opinions regarding same. > > I am thinking that something that pins the surfaces is not what I want - I think I would prefer something that has a little give (ie uses elastics / bungee cords). > > I do have an email into Wild Blue Innovations but haven't heard back from them. > > I do have a couple of limitations -I have Control Approach rudder pedals and my control sticks have covers. > > Cheers > > Les > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440398#440398 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gust Locks From: Bob Leffler I have the same pedals. I made something out of pvc. I took t joints and cut them so they slip over the the top of the bottom pedal. I did something similar to fit the top of the seat box. I use Velcro that is fastened to the pvc to hold the stick in place. It works pretty good. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:19 PM, kearney wrote: > > > Hi > > I am interested in a gust lock and am wondering if there are any current opinions regarding same. > > I am thinking that something that pins the surfaces is not what I want - I think I would prefer something that has a little give (ie uses elastics / bungee cords). > > I do have an email into Wild Blue Innovations but haven't heard back from them. > > I do have a couple of limitations -I have Control Approach rudder pedals and my control sticks have covers. > > Cheers > > Les > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440398#440398 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery From: Rob Kermanj I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: >> >> >> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now. >> >> Do not archive. >> >> Rob Kermanj >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. >>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". >>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. >>> Tim >>> Do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. >>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." >>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Myron Nelson >>>> Mesa, AZ >>>> Flew May 10 2014 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks From: "kearney" Alan Will the gust buster accommodate a cover on the control stick? Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440406#440406 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Insurance mystery From: "Bob Turner" What a coincidence! Although I didn't bother last year, just last month I asked AVEMCO for a quote. Just to see if anything had changed. The answer is no change. Coverage limits are still "per person", not "per passenger" like everyone else. And, almost twice as expensive as my current policy (up for renewal soon). BUT, when I asked for a quote 2 years ago, they did send me a nice baseball cap with their name on it. My hangar-neighbor remarked that that was the most expensive cap he had ever seen. For Bob: I'm with USAIG thru Nationair. We had them many years ago when a partner had a prop strike, and we had nothing but the best experience with their claims guy. I also like their plain language policy. It even tells me what they'll pay for my labor, if I choose to repair a covered claim myself! BTW: Two years ago I asked Jenny (Nationair) why they didn't quote company X, which some others were reporting as offering very attractive rates. She told me that they wouldn't quote a company if they had doubts about their actual ability to stick around and pay for losses. A year later company X was no longer in the business. That's the kind of advice you pay a good broker for. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440409#440409 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks From: "Bob Turner" I have the Bogart (sp?) tow bar, with the slight mod of two tabs attached to the ends to go over the rudder bars, under the brakes. Not sure if that works with your pedals. Handle goes against the seat back, held down by seat belt. stick goes thru the triangular hole. Not sure if your cover will fit, but the hole is pretty big. Use the other seat belt to hold the stick firmly in the 'V'. Hunt around the forum, I'm sure there are pictures somewhere. Works great, cost nothing, adds no extra weight, since I carry the tow bar anyway. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440410#440410 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks From: Alan Mekler MD do you have a picture of your cover? alan > On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:08 PM, kearney wrote: > > > Alan > > Will the gust buster accommodate a cover on the control stick? > > Cheers > > Les > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440406#440406 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks From: Alan Mekler MD les, the gust buster attaches about half way down the control. alan > On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:08 PM, kearney wrote: > > > Alan > > Will the gust buster accommodate a cover on the control stick? > > Cheers > > Les > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440406#440406 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:52 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery Mine is Global too. Lowest price ever this year. Tim > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: > > > I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it. > > Do not archive. > > Rob Kermanj > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >> >> As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal. >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now. >>> >>> Do not archive. >>> >>> Rob Kermanj >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. >>>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". >>>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. >>>> Tim >>>> Do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >>>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. >>>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." >>>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Myron Nelson >>>>> Mesa, AZ >>>>> Flew May 10 2014 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:18 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Insurance mystery Isn't Avemco promoted by EAA? Or are they just a big advertiser? I would think that EAA wouldn't want to be associated with a company that does such a poor job with homebuilders. Tim > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > What a coincidence! Although I didn't bother last year, just last month I asked AVEMCO for a quote. Just to see if anything had changed. The answer is no change. Coverage limits are still "per person", not "per passenger" like everyone else. And, almost twice as expensive as my current policy (up for renewal soon). BUT, when I asked for a quote 2 years ago, they did send me a nice baseball cap with their name on it. My hangar-neighbor remarked that that was the most expensive cap he had ever seen. > > For Bob: I'm with USAIG thru Nationair. We had them many years ago when a partner had a prop strike, and we had nothing but the best experience with their claims guy. I also like their plain language policy. It even tells me what they'll pay for my labor, if I choose to repair a covered claim myself! > > BTW: Two years ago I asked Jenny (Nationair) why they didn't quote company X, which some others were reporting as offering very attractive rates. She told me that they wouldn't quote a company if they had doubts about their actual ability to stick around and pay for losses. A year later company X was no longer in the business. That's the kind of advice you pay a good broker for. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440409#440409 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:55 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks Les; I miss some e-mails for some reason so I am only seeing your response and not who Alan is, however I have a antisplat gust lock that does require me to unzip the control stick cover and also requires the wires be routed on the inside of the stick, as the retainer is bolted to control stick. If you dont mind unzipping the cover and your wires are on the inside, I highly recommend it. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html another option, a home brew is- http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=120730&highlight=gust+lock -----Original Message----- From: kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 5:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gust Locks Alan Will the gust buster accommodate a cover on the control stick? Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440406#440406 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:40 PM PST US From: Jenny Estes Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance mystery Yes it is most likely Global. There rates have been very competitive this year. Jenny Estes NationAir jestes@nationair.com Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > Mine is Global too. > Lowest price ever this year. > Tim > > > >> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: >> >> >> I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it. >> >> Do not archive. >> >> Rob Kermanj >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >>> >>> >>> As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now. >>>> >>>> Do not archive. >>>> >>>> Rob Kermanj >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless. >>>>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive". >>>>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price. >>>>> Tim >>>>> Do not archive >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc. >>>>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with. >>>>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day." >>>>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- >>>>>> Myron Nelson >>>>>> Mesa, AZ >>>>>> Flew May 10 2014 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Insurance mystery From: "Bob Turner" Tim Olson wrote: > Isn't Avemco promoted by EAA? Or are they just a big advertiser? I would think that EAA wouldn't want to be associated with a company that does such a poor job with homebuilders. > Tim > EAA and AVEMCO used to have some sort of official relationship, but had a friendly divorce some years ago. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440420#440420 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:51 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Lord adhesive window installation question From: Dan Charrois Hi everyone. I'm ready to attach the windows in my RV-10 and am looking for advice on those who have used the Lord 7545 A/E adhesive sold by Geoff at Aerosport Products. After reading lots of positive comments from here about it, I obtained a few tubes from him. The plans call for installing the windows onto the doors when the doors are off and laying flat, presumably to allow gravity to help hold them in place while they are being cured. Of course, the rear windows can't be installed with that luxury, but they're smaller and lighter. And the windscreen rests largely on the nose while curing, so that should be less of an issue too. But my question is, considering that Lord Adhesive is different than Vans' would have us use anyway, is it sticky enough that I could install the windows on the doors while the doors are closed and on the plane - in essentially the same orientation as the rear windows? The reason I ask isn't due to laziness :-) But instead, I'm one of the lucky ones whose doors ended up fitting quite well without a lot of work. And I figure that if the windows are attached to the doors while the doors are in their proper latched position, they can only help (slightly) to further stiffen the door in the proper position. The last thing I want to do is to fit the windows to the doors when the doors are on the floor, and then find that gravity warped things slightly while they were curing, and the doors no longer fit properly. It would seem to me that adhering the windows to the doors when the doors are in their closed position will help keep everything aligned properly, so long as the Lord adhesive is sticky enough before fully cured that it will hold the window tightly to the door and in place while it is curing. Thanks! 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