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1. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Return Line Location? (Danny Riggs)
2. 03:44 PM - Re: Re Turbine RV-10 (Rob Kochman)
3. 07:47 PM - Re: Re Turbine RV-10 (Danny Riggs)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Return Line Location? |
While I was at Sun-n-Fun I made it a point to look at the new engines and i
gnition systems out there. Continental had a diesel and also a gas engine w
ith electronic ignition. So did Lycoming. There were numerous examples of e
ngines for LSAs that had electronic ignition and or FI. These newer designs
seemed to be more cutting edge than C or L engines. That is probably to b
e expected. So=2C the moral of the story is that electronic ignition and to
a lesser degree electronic fuel injection is present and here to stay whet
her we like it or not.
I noticed that the diesel engines were all lower horsepower (+ or - 100 hp)
. It will be more interesting when they can produce a diesel that is of rea
sonable weight and of 250 hp or more. Of course we probably wont be able to
afford to buy them! The diesels are already way too expense to buy unless
you live where avgas is $10+ a gallon.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel Return Line Location?
> From: Rocketman@etczone.com
> Date: Fri=2C 24 Apr 2015 20:41:33 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> You know=2C I had typed a substantial reply but I decided that it just is
n't worth the time. People all have opinions and it is darn near impossibl
e to change them=2C therefore=2C this whole thread is sort of a moot discus
sion.
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> This discussion is actually kind of ironic. If everyone settled for "the
way it has always been done"=2C would there even BE the EAA? Obviously=2C
Van thought there were better ways to do things...what about Rutan? Build
ing an airplane out of foam and fiberglass? That's just nonsense...
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> Granted=2C these guys were not your average Joes but the point is they DI
DN'T stay with the status quo. They redefined it. Only time will tell wha
t or who the next big thing will be..it's going to be interesting.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441274#441274
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| Subject: | Re: Re Turbine RV-10 |
Sounds really cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lideX9bUw
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
> i was incorrect. it is 240 Hp based on TP-100 web site. I don't have my
> Sport aviation yet.
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> Jim C
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> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Kevin Belue <kdb.rv10@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'd like to see what the fuel flow is at 150kts. I doubt it changes much
>> with speed changes....
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently you are calculating differently than whoever supplied Amy with
>> data.
>> From her article, 180 ft/lb torque = 241 shp + 9 hp exhaust thrust for
>> 250 total. IIRC they were getting ~175kts on ~19gph. To get that speed on
>> Lyc you likely would need to burn at least 13gph LOP for 75% power.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The engine web page is here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.pbsvb.com/customer-industries/aerospace/aircraft-engines/tp-100-turboprop-engine
>>>
>>> It's rated at 200 HP. These guys extended the fuel tanks at least one
>>> bay per side. Useful load is reduced.
>>>
>>> JimC
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You might right about the fuel burn..definitely more than the Lyc.
>>>> It would be fun to fly with the quiet turbine and simplicity, as long
>>>> as someone else was paying the bills.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just checked it out. Very cool... or hot or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought the fuel burn numbers were more like 50%+ greater than the
>>>>> Lyc - expressed in GPH or MPG. But I might wrong there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the turbines always get my attention because I live on a grass
>>>>> strip with a Jet-A tank (!!). Let's see, we sell the Lyc, modify the '10,
>>>>> mortgage the house... oh nevermind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tale of the exhaust stack problem is interesting. Far beyond
>>>>> where they guys with the turbine RV-8 were with the cutoff stack. I think
>>>>> it was reviewed a year or two ago. Apparently it produced so much back
>>>>> pressure in the engine it couldn't achieve anywhere near full power.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/24/2015 11:57 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> See Amy Laboda's report on the turbine powered RV-10 in this
>>>>> month's Kitplanes.
>>>>> 250 shp turboprop. It will out climb the Lycoming after the Lyc
>>>>> starts pushing temp limits. Especially because the engine is maybe 1/2 wt
>>>>> of the Lyc.
>>>>> But, initially it was losing 20+ knots in cruise the the Lyc. After
>>>>> they rectified the shape and angle of the exhaust pipes, they have it up
to
>>>>> matching the Lyc in cruise. It only burns about 20-25% more fuel below 10K
>>>>> and maybe somewhat less into the lower flight levels. Not to mention the
>>>>> engine/prop combo cost as much as an entire, well equipped Lyc powered -10.
>>>>> But if you fly where avgas is unobtainable, makes sense.
>>>>> I was concerned it might be pushing the design flutter speed, but
>>>>> apparently it is sized to provide same power as Lyc. Seems like maybe the
>>>>> SMA 230 hp French diesel used in 182's would be easier to mount and fly,
>>>>> with Jet A or diesel fuel available everywhere. Might even beat the Lyc for
>>>>> fuel efficiency.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> at
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> The engine is the most complex part of our experimental planes.
>>>>>> 'Anybody' can build a Van's kit whether a QB or a pre-hole punched kit.
>>>>>> 'Anybody' can mount a Lycoming on the front and most of us could maintain
>>>>>> it. NO ONE has come up with an alternative engine solution that the rest
>>>>>> of us can buy at any price point, that performs better and longer than
>>>>>> what we can buy from Lycoming. Many people have tried and are trying.
I
>>>>>> hope for success but don't plan on it.
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Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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