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1. 04:37 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Jesse Saint)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Rene)
3. 10:31 AM - Windshield fairing & clips (rvdave)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (kearney)
5. 11:48 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Rocketman1988)
6. 01:59 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (David Saylor)
7. 02:28 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (Jeff Carpenter)
8. 04:01 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (Jesse Saint)
9. 05:45 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (David Maib)
10. 10:08 PM - Ventilation (bob88)
11. 10:17 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (bob88)
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| Subject: | Re: How long does your annual take? |
I've done probably 30 condition inspections on -10's. If I have an extra set
of hands or two, I can do it in a solid day. Alone, it takes two days. As o
thers have said, a good bit of time is spent just removing panels and fairin
gs. The worst part of the job is greasing the wheel bearings, which takes a l
ot of time and is usually a very messy job.
The -10 takes more time, probably, than a Cherokee 235 I just did. The Chero
kee just doesn't have that many inspection panels, so there are a lot of are
as you can't inspect well. On the -10, for a thorough inspection, you need t
o remove about 1,000 screws, it seems like. Just removing the fairings and p
utting them back on is half the inspection time, probably.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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> On May 1, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or cond
ition inspection, for the pedantic). I"m not including maintenance or upgra
de deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests. I'm probably at a
good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil c
hange and a few other items. Seems like a really long time, so curious if t
hat's typical.
>
> -Rob
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> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | How long does your annual take? |
By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours. But it is hard to measure
since I always have something to do on my to do list and while I have
all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc. And of course, you are
doing this at an airport, so everybody visits when they see your
carone of the more enjoyable aspects of
=9Cworking=9D at the airport.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How long does your annual take?
I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or
condition inspection, for the pedantic). I"m not including maintenance
or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests. I'm
probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you
include the oil change and a few other items. Seems like a really long
time, so curious if that's typical.
-Rob
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Windshield fairing & clips |
Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As I'm going
thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairing will overlap
the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extending to the door
lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the plexiglass.
At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also in photos I've
seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing,
how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass
before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first
before installing clips? Confused.
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Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
Dave
I went to a local boating supply house and got some epoxy dye (black) and mixed
that in with the faring epoxy. That worked quite well. All the fiberglass went
on as black due to the dye.
Be sure to get epoxy dye (it is a very thick liquid - very potent) and not powdered
carbon which is a no-no on aluminum.
I seem to recall painting the clips black. Although I seem to recall that they
were low enough on the windscreen that they aren't really visible.
I am sure someone else on the list can provide better guidance on the clips.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: How long does your annual take? |
This is an interesting thread to get a general idea.
I would say, though, that it takes as long as it needs to. When you are satisfied
that everything is done to your liking, then it is done. It isn't a race...
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
You can paint the outside area of the windscreen that gets bonded with flat
black poof can. The epoxy will bond just fine. As Les mentioned, pigment
works well too.
--Dave
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM, rvdave <rv610dave@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As
> I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the
> fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show
> extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more
> riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the
> instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of
> windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so
> they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are
> put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips?
> Confused.
>
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 for sale
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about
1/2" above where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The
10th and last strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it
will finish 1 1/2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2").
Determine where you're going to put the first strip and draw a line from
there to where the last strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and
probably some in between) to guide you through the layup. Remember that
from inside the plane you are looking through the glass at an angle. The
black paint must be well about the height of the last layup if it is
going to successfully hide it.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
the finish line is in site.
On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote:
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> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in.
As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the
fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans
show extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or
more riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting
the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the
strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide
the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass
before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first
before installing clips? Confused.
>
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 for sale
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620
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Westcott Press
1121 Isabel Street
Burbank, CA 91506
jeff@westcottpress.com
818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
It sounds like you are saying that you paint the inside of the windscreen. I
f so, then that is an important point. If you paint the outside, make sure t
hat whatever you use will stick well to both the plexiglass and fiberglass, o
r it could act like mold release and defeat the purpose. I have seen fairing
s before that you could pull off easily by hand because the bond to the meta
l and the plexiglass was poor.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On May 2, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
> I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about 1/2" a
bove where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The 10th and l
ast strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it will finish 1 1/
2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2"). Determine where you
're going to put the first strip and draw a line from there to where the las
t strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and probably some in between) t
o guide you through the layup. Remember that from inside the plane you are l
ooking through the glass at an angle. The black paint must be well about the
height of the last layup if it is going to successfully hide it.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
> the finish line is in site.
>
>
>
>> On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote:
>>
>>
>> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As
I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairin
g will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extendin
g to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the p
lexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also
in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't s
een the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do y
ou lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are put on? Do you let black
epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? Confused.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 for sale
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620
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> Westcott Press
> 1121 Isabel Street
> Burbank, CA 91506
> jeff@westcottpress.com
> 818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
I used the black dye in the epoxy and it worked very well. I don=99t
remember for sure, who recommended that to me back in 2008, but I think
it was Van=99s.
David Maib
40559
770 hours
On May 2, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
It sounds like you are saying that you paint the inside of the
windscreen. If so, then that is an important point. If you paint the
outside, make sure that whatever you use will stick well to both the
plexiglass and fiberglass, or it could act like mold release and defeat
the purpose. I have seen fairings before that you could pull off easily
by hand because the bond to the metal and the plexiglass was poor.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent from my iPad
On May 2, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com
<mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>> wrote:
> I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about
1/2" above where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The
10th and last strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it
will finish 1 1/2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2").
Determine where you're going to put the first strip and draw a line from
there to where the last strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and
probably some in between) to guide you through the layup. Remember that
from inside the plane you are looking through the glass at an angle. The
black paint must be well about the height of the last layup if it is
going to successfully hide it.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
> the finish line is in site.
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
<mailto:rv610dave@gmail.com>>
>>
>> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in.
As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the
fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans
show extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or
more riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting
the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the
strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide
the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass
before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first
before installing clips? Confused.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 for sale
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620>
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> Westcott Press
> 1121 Isabel Street
> Burbank, CA 91506
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> 818-861-7300
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I read in a recent post that the air coming in the standard naca inlets is 8 deg
warmer than ambient. That post was in regard to placement of temp probe. My
question is regarding cabin comfort. I fly in a hot climate (central ca) and wonder
if the Vans vents are sufficient. I had not planned on overhead vents...would
like to hear from Calif/Arizona folks.
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fairing & clips |
Indirectly related...what about layering glass around top and sides of windshield,
like a lot of us have done on the side windows? I read somewhere that there
was a delamination problem after flying through heavy rain.
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