---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/02/15: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Jesse Saint) 2. 07:32 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Rene) 3. 10:31 AM - Windshield fairing & clips (rvdave) 4. 11:43 AM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (kearney) 5. 11:48 AM - Re: How long does your annual take? (Rocketman1988) 6. 01:59 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (David Saylor) 7. 02:28 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (Jeff Carpenter) 8. 04:01 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (Jesse Saint) 9. 05:45 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (David Maib) 10. 10:08 PM - Ventilation (bob88) 11. 10:17 PM - Re: Windshield fairing & clips (bob88) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:21 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: How long does your annual take? I've done probably 30 condition inspections on -10's. If I have an extra set of hands or two, I can do it in a solid day. Alone, it takes two days. As o thers have said, a good bit of time is spent just removing panels and fairin gs. The worst part of the job is greasing the wheel bearings, which takes a l ot of time and is usually a very messy job. The -10 takes more time, probably, than a Cherokee 235 I just did. The Chero kee just doesn't have that many inspection panels, so there are a lot of are as you can't inspect well. On the -10, for a thorough inspection, you need t o remove about 1,000 screws, it seems like. Just removing the fairings and p utting them back on is half the inspection time, probably. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On May 1, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > > I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or cond ition inspection, for the pedantic). I"m not including maintenance or upgra de deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests. I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil c hange and a few other items. Seems like a really long time, so curious if t hat's typical. > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:16 AM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: How long does your annual take? By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours. But it is hard to measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc. And of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits when they see your carone of the more enjoyable aspects of =9Cworking=9D at the airport. Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: How long does your annual take? I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic). I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests. I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items. Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical. -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Windshield fairing & clips From: "rvdave" Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? Confused. -------- Dave Ford RV6 for sale RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windshield fairing & clips From: "kearney" Dave I went to a local boating supply house and got some epoxy dye (black) and mixed that in with the faring epoxy. That worked quite well. All the fiberglass went on as black due to the dye. Be sure to get epoxy dye (it is a very thick liquid - very potent) and not powdered carbon which is a no-no on aluminum. I seem to recall painting the clips black. Although I seem to recall that they were low enough on the windscreen that they aren't really visible. I am sure someone else on the list can provide better guidance on the clips. Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441622#441622 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: How long does your annual take? From: "Rocketman1988" This is an interesting thread to get a general idea. I would say, though, that it takes as long as it needs to. When you are satisfied that everything is done to your liking, then it is done. It isn't a race... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441623#441623 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:57 PM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windshield fairing & clips You can paint the outside area of the windscreen that gets bonded with flat black poof can. The epoxy will bond just fine. As Les mentioned, pigment works well too. --Dave On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote: > > Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As > I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the > fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show > extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more > riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the > instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of > windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so > they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are > put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? > Confused. > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 for sale > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:58 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windshield fairing & clips I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about 1/2" above where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The 10th and last strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it will finish 1 1/2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2"). Determine where you're going to put the first strip and draw a line from there to where the last strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and probably some in between) to guide you through the layup. Remember that from inside the plane you are looking through the glass at an angle. The black paint must be well about the height of the last layup if it is going to successfully hide it. Jeff Carpenter 40304 the finish line is in site. On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote: > > Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? Confused. > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 for sale > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620 > > > > > > > > > > Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff@westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:14 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windshield fairing & clips It sounds like you are saying that you paint the inside of the windscreen. I f so, then that is an important point. If you paint the outside, make sure t hat whatever you use will stick well to both the plexiglass and fiberglass, o r it could act like mold release and defeat the purpose. I have seen fairing s before that you could pull off easily by hand because the bond to the meta l and the plexiglass was poor. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On May 2, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about 1/2" a bove where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The 10th and l ast strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it will finish 1 1/ 2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2"). Determine where you 're going to put the first strip and draw a line from there to where the las t strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and probably some in between) t o guide you through the layup. Remember that from inside the plane you are l ooking through the glass at an angle. The black paint must be well about the height of the last layup if it is going to successfully hide it. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > the finish line is in site. > > > >> On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote: >> >> >> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairin g will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extendin g to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the p lexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't s een the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do y ou lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? Confused. >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 for sale >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620 >> >> >> >> - The RV10-List --> &n========== ============= >> >> > > Westcott Press > 1121 Isabel Street > Burbank, CA 91506 > jeff@westcottpress.com > 818-861-7300 > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:05 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Windshield fairing & clips I used the black dye in the epoxy and it worked very well. I don=99t remember for sure, who recommended that to me back in 2008, but I think it was Van=99s. David Maib 40559 770 hours On May 2, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: It sounds like you are saying that you paint the inside of the windscreen. If so, then that is an important point. If you paint the outside, make sure that whatever you use will stick well to both the plexiglass and fiberglass, or it could act like mold release and defeat the purpose. I have seen fairings before that you could pull off easily by hand because the bond to the metal and the plexiglass was poor. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad On May 2, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Jeff Carpenter > wrote: > I shot a black urethane band across the base of the windscreen about 1/2" above where I planned the last piece of glass layup to finish. The 10th and last strip of glass build you lay up is 3 1/2" wide... so it will finish 1 1/2" above the top of the first strip you lay down (1/2"). Determine where you're going to put the first strip and draw a line from there to where the last strip will finish. You'll need these lines (and probably some in between) to guide you through the layup. Remember that from inside the plane you are looking through the glass at an angle. The black paint must be well about the height of the last layup if it is going to successfully hide it. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > the finish line is in site. > > > > On May 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, rvdave wrote: > > >> >> Getting ready to pull the trigger on putting the front windshield in. As I'm going thru the plans I'm wondering how far up the windshield the fairing will overlap the plex? According to the "tangent" the plans show extending to the door lower glass that would put it up about 3" or more riding the plexiglass. At least that's the way I'm interpreting the instructions. Also in photos I've seen of the black tint on the strip of windscreen I haven't seen the clips showing, how do you hide the clips so they are not seen? Do you lay black epoxy/fiberglass before the clips are put on? Do you let black epoxy strip dry first before installing clips? Confused. >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 for sale >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441620#441620 >> >> >> >> - The RV10-List --> &n========= ============== >> >> > > Westcott Press > 1121 Isabel Street > Burbank, CA 91506 > jeff@westcottpress.com > 818-861-7300 > > > > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > David Maib dmaib@me.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:13 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Ventilation From: "bob88" I read in a recent post that the air coming in the standard naca inlets is 8 deg warmer than ambient. That post was in regard to placement of temp probe. My question is regarding cabin comfort. I fly in a hot climate (central ca) and wonder if the Vans vents are sufficient. I had not planned on overhead vents...would like to hear from Calif/Arizona folks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441636#441636 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windshield fairing & clips From: "bob88" Indirectly related...what about layering glass around top and sides of windshield, like a lot of us have done on the side windows? I read somewhere that there was a delamination problem after flying through heavy rain. 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