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1. 02:02 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Bill Watson)
2. 02:18 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Tim Olson)
3. 03:23 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Bob Leffler)
4. 04:02 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Tim Olson)
5. 04:28 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Jesse Saint)
6. 04:56 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Alan Mekler MD)
7. 05:02 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Tim Olson)
8. 05:22 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Tim Olson)
9. 06:01 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Kelly McMullen)
10. 08:02 PM - Re: Tech in the front office (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my
original iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my
current iPad has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be
linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad.
Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for
weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a
supplement... but a drool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and
filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered
by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new
like filing an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the
Bahamas. Often the planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a
car or at the FBO. I rarely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single
pilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the
iPad and Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a
stylus for writing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an
iPhone running Foreflight for backup (the second copy is part of the
basic or pro Foreflight package).
The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a
fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM
mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight
so it can be easily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console
construction
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533>
(I really need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added
a USB charging port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The
iPad's capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.
I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro or
it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical'
flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking
and re-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is
almost worth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger
airports. It's a fair price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game
changer, a drooler, a "I'll never go back" kind of tool.
Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits
current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel
was set in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While
software upgrades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them
somewhat current, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions
implemented in the best possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality,
faster processors, higher resolution screens. None of these are 'must
haves' but they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a
fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.
On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In
the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used.
It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His
gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>
> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet / mini PC
and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where
the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad? I'
m assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you can j
ust split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily be a
ble to do both GRT and iPad.
Tim
> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my origin
al iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad ha
s the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>
> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be link
ed to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Instead I
look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic
overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a dro
ol worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>
> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and filin
g is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by Foref
light and it still manages to delight when I need something new like filing a
n ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often the pl
anning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rarely
use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>
> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single pil
ot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad and
Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writin
g clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight
for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight package)
.
>
> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fiberglass
center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for the
iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be easi
ly used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I really n
eed a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB charging
port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity is
equivalent to the 10's range.
>
> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro or i
t's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' flyi
ng with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and re-o
rienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost wort
h the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a fai
r price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll
never go back" kind of tool.
>
> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits cu
rrent at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was set
in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software upgr
ades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat current,
we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in t
he best possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, h
igher resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very v
ery nice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel
upgrades.
>
>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR ratin
g. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instruc
tor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech pap
er. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>
>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet / mi
ni PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested i
n where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavW
orx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be
a problem.
Sent from my iPad
> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad? I
'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you can
just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily b
e able to do both GRT and iPad.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my origi
nal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad h
as the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>
>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be lin
ked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Instead
I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and traff
ic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a d
rool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>
>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and fili
ng is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by Fore
flight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like filing
an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often the p
lanning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rarel
y use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>
>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single pi
lot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad and
Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writi
ng clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Forefligh
t for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight package
).
>>
>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fiberglas
s center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for th
e iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be eas
ily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I really
need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB chargi
ng port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity i
s equivalent to the 10's range.
>>
>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro or i
t's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' flyi
ng with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and re-o
rienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost wort
h the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a fai
r price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll
never go back" kind of tool.
>>
>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits c
urrent at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was se
t in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software upg
rades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat current
, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the be
st possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, higher
resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very n
ice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgr
ades.
>>
>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rati
ng. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instru
ctor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech pa
per. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>
>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet / m
ini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested
in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
Yeah, after I sent thy, I was guessing that could be why. It sounds like Fl
tPlan Go is compatible with some ADs-B systems now too...I don't know the de
tails, and haven't tried mine, but for free that may be worth giving a shot.
Tim
> On May 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support Na
vWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't b
e a problem.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?
I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you c
an just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily
be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my orig
inal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad h
as the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>
>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be li
nked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Instea
d I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and traf
fic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a d
rool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>>
>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and fil
ing is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by For
eflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like filin
g an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often the
planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rar
ely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>
>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single p
ilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad an
d Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writ
ing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflig
ht for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight packag
e).
>>>
>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fibergla
ss center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for t
he iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be ea
sily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I reall
y need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB charg
ing port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity
is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>
>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro or
it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' fl
ying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and re
-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost wo
rth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a f
air price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'
ll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>
>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits c
urrent at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was se
t in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software upg
rades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat current
, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the be
st possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, higher
resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very n
ice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgr
ades.
>>>
>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rat
ing. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instr
uctor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech p
aper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>
>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet / m
ini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested
in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting othe
r ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are very
conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilities
, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more
open to adding compatibility.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support Na
vWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't b
e a problem.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?
I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you c
an just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily
be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my orig
inal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad h
as the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>
>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be li
nked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Instea
d I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and traf
fic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a d
rool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>>
>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and fil
ing is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by For
eflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like filin
g an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often the
planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rar
ely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>
>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single p
ilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad an
d Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writ
ing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflig
ht for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight packag
e).
>>>
>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fibergla
ss center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for t
he iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be ea
sily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I reall
y need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB charg
ing port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity
is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>
>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro or
it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' fl
ying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and re
-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost wo
rth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a f
air price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'
ll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>
>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits c
urrent at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was se
t in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software upg
rades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat current
, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the be
st possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, higher
resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very n
ice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgr
ades.
>>>
>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rat
ing. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instr
uctor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech p
aper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>
>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet / m
ini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested
in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Jesse,
I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight .
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting ot
her ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are ve
ry conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibiliti
es, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, mo
re open to adding compatibility.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support N
avWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't
be a problem.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?
I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you c
an just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily
be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my ori
ginal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad
has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>>
>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be l
inked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Inste
ad I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and tra
ffic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a
drool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>>>
>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and fi
ling is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered
by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new lik
e filing an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Of
ten the planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.
I rarely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>>
>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single p
ilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad an
d Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writ
ing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflig
ht for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight packag
e).
>>>>
>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fibergl
ass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for t
he iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be ea
sily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I reall
y need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB charg
ing port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity
is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro o
r it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' f
lying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and r
e-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost w
orth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a f
air price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'
ll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits
current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was s
et in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software up
grades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat curren
t, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the b
est possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, highe
r resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very
nice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel up
grades.
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR ra
ting. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my inst
ructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech p
aper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet /
mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interest
ed in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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I also think if they hear that feedback enough they would have to listen.
I'm not sure how standardized the data format is for sure between all of the
se devices but I believe they are fairly standardized. So, adding support f
or a new device should be very simple for them.
Tim
> On May 10, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting ot
her ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are ve
ry conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibiliti
es, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, mo
re open to adding compatibility.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support N
avWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't
be a problem.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?
I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you c
an just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easily
be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my ori
ginal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad
has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>>
>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be l
inked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad. Inste
ad I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and tra
ffic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a
drool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>>>
>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and fi
ling is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by Fo
reflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like fili
ng an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often th
e planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I ra
rely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>>
>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single p
ilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad an
d Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writ
ing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflig
ht for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight packag
e).
>>>>
>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fibergl
ass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for t
he iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be ea
sily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I reall
y need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB charg
ing port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacity
is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro o
r it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' f
lying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and r
e-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost w
orth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a f
air price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'
ll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpits
current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was s
et in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software up
grades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat curren
t, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the b
est possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, highe
r resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very
nice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel up
grades.
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR ra
ting. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my inst
ructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech p
aper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet /
mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interest
ed in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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And NavWorX makes Avidyne's box for them...
Tim
> On May 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>
> Jesse,
> I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight .
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting o
ther ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are v
ery conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilit
ies, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, m
ore open to adding compatibility.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support N
avWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't
be a problem.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad
? I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232. If so, you
can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter. It should easi
ly be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote
:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my or
iginal iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPa
d has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to
be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad.
Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather a
nd traffic overlayed on the navigation screens. The iPad is a supplement...
but a drool worthy one that I don't leave home without.
>>>>>
>>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and f
iling is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well covered by Fo
reflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like fili
ng an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas. Often th
e planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I ra
rely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single
pilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad a
nd Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus f
or writing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Fo
reflight for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight p
ackage).
>>>>>
>>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a fiberg
lass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a RAM mount for
the iPad that puts it right under my right hand during flight so it can be e
asily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of console construction (I real
ly need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also added a USB char
ging port which typically gets used for my wife's phone. The iPad's capacit
y is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro o
r it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my 'tactical' f
lying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning, what-ifs, thinking and r
e-orienting is done with the iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost w
orth the price if you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a f
air price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'
ll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our cockpit
s current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade. My panel was
set in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since then. While software u
pgrades to my EFIS and other components have helped keep them somewhat curre
nt, we rely on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the b
est possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors, highe
r resolution screens. None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very
nice to haves and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel up
grades.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR r
ating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my ins
tructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech
paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet /
mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interest
ed in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tech in the front office |
I assume you mean their ADS-B In receiver. Trig makes the Avidyne 340
ADS-B Out for them. It is basically a TT31 with a different front
faceplate. Ditto the KN-74, and the Dynon 1090ES that is a TT21/22 with
Dynon label.
On 5/10/2015 5:19 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> And NavWorX makes Avidyne's box for them...
> Tim
>
>
> On May 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>
>> Jesse,
>> I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight .
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start
>>> supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to
>>> compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of
>>> certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable
>>> and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever
>>>> support NavWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another
>>>> application, it shouldn't be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
>>>> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your
>>>>> iPad? I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via
>>>>> RS232. If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the
>>>>> Wifi adapter. It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
>>>>> <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck
>>>>>> (my original iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS
>>>>>> puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able
>>>>>> to be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed
>>>>>> on the iPad. Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand
>>>>>> Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation
>>>>>> screens. The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that
>>>>>> I don't leave home without.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning
>>>>>> and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is
>>>>>> well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I
>>>>>> need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an
>>>>>> international flight to the Bahamas. Often the planning and
>>>>>> filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rarely
>>>>>> use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying
>>>>>> single pilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone
>>>>>> paperless with the iPad and Foreflight. No charts, no pencils,
>>>>>> just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the
>>>>>> Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for
>>>>>> backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight
>>>>>> package).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a
>>>>>> fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2)
>>>>>> holds a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right
>>>>>> hand during flight so it can be easily used. You can see it here
>>>>>> Kitlog page of console construction
>>>>>> <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533>
>>>>>> (I really need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I
>>>>>> also added a USB charging port which typically gets used for my
>>>>>> wife's phone. The iPad's capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight
>>>>>> Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do
>>>>>> my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all
>>>>>> planning, what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the
>>>>>> iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if
>>>>>> you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a fair
>>>>>> price for a whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a
>>>>>> drooler, a "I'll never go back" kind of tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our
>>>>>> cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel
>>>>>> upgrade. My panel was set in stone in late 2008. A lot has
>>>>>> happened since then. While software upgrades to my EFIS and
>>>>>> other components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely
>>>>>> on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in the
>>>>>> best possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster
>>>>>> processors, higher resolution screens. None of these are 'must
>>>>>> haves' but they are very very nice to haves and they are
>>>>>> available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating.
In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor
used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper.
His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet /
mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested
in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Checked by AVG -www.avg.com
>>>>>>>
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Shame Dynon wont work to get the Navworx to be seen on their Display. I
understand a possible conflict of their interest, as Dynon was on the
Navworx list, than disappeared once Dynon went on their "trig" route. For us
who had the display before the transponder and other products were released,
we're "on hold" until that happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tech in the front office
I assume you mean their ADS-B In receiver. Trig makes the Avidyne 340
ADS-B Out for them. It is basically a TT31 with a different front
faceplate. Ditto the KN-74, and the Dynon 1090ES that is a TT21/22 with
Dynon label.
On 5/10/2015 5:19 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> And NavWorX makes Avidyne's box for them...
> Tim
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> On May 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
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>> Jesse,
>> I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight .
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
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>>> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting
>>> other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They
>>> are very conservative, so they are late adopters of certain
>>> features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable and
>>> dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill is partially correct. I doubt that Foreflight will ever support
>>>> NavWorx. Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it
>>>> shouldn't be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
>>>> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your
>>>>> iPad? I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.
>>>>> If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.
>>>>> It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
>>>>> <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my
>>>>>> original iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my
>>>>>> current iPad has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be
>>>>>> linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the
>>>>>> iPad. Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs)
>>>>>> for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation screens. The
>>>>>> iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that I don't leave
>>>>>> home without.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight. Flight planning and
>>>>>> filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight. Every base is well
>>>>>> covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I need
>>>>>> something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an international
>>>>>> flight to the Bahamas. Often the planning and filing is done in a
>>>>>> hotel room, in a car or at the FBO. I rarely use FBO flight planning
>>>>>> rooms or equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying
>>>>>> single pilot IFR without an AP. But since then I've gone paperless
>>>>>> with the iPad and Foreflight. No charts, no pencils, just a
>>>>>> subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the Foreflight
>>>>>> scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for backup (the second
>>>>>> copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight package).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount. I built a
>>>>>> fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds a
>>>>>> RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand during
>>>>>> flight so it can be easily used. You can see it here Kitlog page of
>>>>>> console construction
>>>>>> <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533>
>>>>>> (I really need a picture of it being used in the cockpit). I also
>>>>>> added a USB charging port which typically gets used for my wife's
>>>>>> phone. The iPad's capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight Pro
>>>>>> or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying. I do my
>>>>>> 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,
>>>>>> what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.
>>>>>> Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly
>>>>>> into a lot of new-to-you larger airports. It's a fair price for a
>>>>>> whole lot of benefit. It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll never
>>>>>> go back" kind of tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our
>>>>>> cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel upgrade.
>>>>>> My panel was set in stone in late 2008. A lot has happened since
>>>>>> then. While software upgrades to my EFIS and other components have
>>>>>> helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the portable to get the
>>>>>> latest functions implemented in the best possible ways, e.g. touch
>>>>>> screen functionality, faster processors, higher resolution screens.
>>>>>> None of these are 'must haves' but they are very very nice to haves
>>>>>> and they are available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR
>>>>>>> rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the
>>>>>>> IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand
>>>>>>> was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de
>>>>>>> dineros.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD / tablet
>>>>>>> / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially
>>>>>>> interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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