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1. 07:50 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Rocketman1988)
2. 10:44 AM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (mhealydds)
3. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Bob Leffler)
4. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Carl Froehlich)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Phillip Perry)
6. 01:45 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Rocketman1988)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (mhealydds)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (mhealydds)
9. 02:09 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Bob Turner)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Bob Turner)
11. 02:16 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (mhealydds)
12. 02:20 PM - Re: Cabin Cover Fit (mhealydds)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Cover Fit (Rene)
14. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Cover Fit (David Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
Hey, by chance do you have the QB fuselage? If so, go back through the plans and
you will find that those AN470 rivets that are in the way are REALLY supposed
to be AN426 flush rivets. I had this same issue and it literally took more
than an hour to find it in the plans. There should be NO AN470 rivet heads protruding
in the area where the cabin top sit in the fuselage sides.
I think it was about 8 rivets, four on each side. They were pretty easy to drill
out, dimple, and replace with AN426 rivets...
It is one of the issues I found with the QB kits...
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
I do have a QB fuse and indeed the 426 rivets are placed in error. That is why
Bob doesn't remember having them there. So now that I have already trimmed to
much and cannot get it to clamp flush in sides of door opening (sits flush on
bottom) how should I proceed. Obviously replace rivets, but then what do you think.
Epoxy resin with flox and re-sand to fit? If so, will it adhere and be strong
enough?
This is one of many problems I have had with QB fuse, just didn't catch this one
early enough- wish I would have just build it myself
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
Yes, like Jesse mentioned, apply flox and bolt it down. It's a pain to sand,
so don't got crazy with the flox.
I got mine to fit pretty good. I used flox to fill in the door bottom on the
interior then added micro as a top coat and to fill in all the imperfections around
the edges.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2015, at 1:41 PM, mhealydds <mhealydds@gmail.com> wrote:
I do have a QB fuse and indeed the 426 rivets are placed in error. That is why
Bob doesn't remember having them there. So now that I have already trimmed to
much and cannot get it to clamp flush in sides of door opening (sits flush on
bottom) how should I proceed. Obviously replace rivets, but then what do you think.
Epoxy resin with flox and re-sand to fit? If so, will it adhere and be strong
enough?
This is one of many problems I have had with QB fuse, just didn't catch this one
early enough- wish I would have just build it myself
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
This is a single step fix after you replace the rivets. Apply a liberal
amount of flox, install the cabin top, clean up the excess flox once the top
is seated (and before it sets) and insert the bolts. Remember to not
tighten the bolts all the way until after the flox sets so you don't deform
the cabin top. As you will have a lot of flox to fill the gaps, check that
the sides and bottom are straight as you go. Once this is done the top is
there forever so don't scrimp on the flox. It is much easier to clean up
the flox as you go then to try to fill voids after the top is on. The flox
should not be too runny or dry. Something on the wet side of cake frosting.
When done there a several options to fill in the door bottom. On Van's demo
plane they used a piece of wood. The attached photos show how I added some
rigid foam and then 8 bids or so of glass over the top and down the inside
to aluminum. Some micro, sanding and ready for paint. The last two photos
show how I back fitted the aftermarket door cam lock. I suspect this turned
out easier than trying to glass around it. What would we do without Dremel
tools?
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Cover Fit
Yes, like Jesse mentioned, apply flox and bolt it down. It's a pain to
sand, so don't got crazy with the flox.
I got mine to fit pretty good. I used flox to fill in the door bottom on
the interior then added micro as a top coat and to fill in all the
imperfections around the edges.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2015, at 1:41 PM, mhealydds <mhealydds@gmail.com> wrote:
I do have a QB fuse and indeed the 426 rivets are placed in error. That is
why Bob doesn't remember having them there. So now that I have already
trimmed to much and cannot get it to clamp flush in sides of door opening
(sits flush on bottom) how should I proceed. Obviously replace rivets, but
then what do you think. Epoxy resin with flox and re-sand to fit? If so,
will it adhere and be strong enough?
This is one of many problems I have had with QB fuse, just didn't catch this
one early enough- wish I would have just build it myself
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
I'd consider rubbing a mold release all over the aluminum and then bolting
it into place with a handful of shims to fill the gap. This means the
shims would be the same width as an AN470 head rivet it tall.
That would locate the cabin time in the correct position. With it in that
position, I'd then squeeze some epoxy/flox into the gap where the shims are
between the aluminum and the cabin top. You can use a large syringe to
pack the flox way back into the gap first and then fill until you get the
the outer edge. Wipe the excess away.
Once it has cured, you can tap the shims out and fill the hole where the
shims were the same way.
Once that has cured, you can take the cabin top off and inspect it to make
sure there are no voids and if there are then you can just fill them to
match while it's off.
You will end up with the most perfectly fit cabin top of the group that
way. You're basically using your airframe as a mold and building the
cabin top to fit it perfectly.
Phil
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, like Jesse mentioned, apply flox and bolt it down. It's a pain to
> sand, so don't got crazy with the flox.
>
> I got mine to fit pretty good. I used flox to fill in the door bottom on
> the interior then added micro as a top coat and to fill in all the
> imperfections around the edges.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 18, 2015, at 1:41 PM, mhealydds <mhealydds@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I do have a QB fuse and indeed the 426 rivets are placed in error. That is
> why Bob doesn't remember having them there. So now that I have already
> trimmed to much and cannot get it to clamp flush in sides of door opening
> (sits flush on bottom) how should I proceed. Obviously replace rivets, but
> then what do you think. Epoxy resin with flox and re-sand to fit? If so,
> will it adhere and be strong enough?
>
> This is one of many problems I have had with QB fuse, just didn't catch
> this one early enough- wish I would have just build it myself
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442247#442247
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
Boy, I dunno if I would try to remove the top after the epoxy has set, even WITH
mold release. With the imperfect surfaces of the cabin top, I would think that
you would damage it trying to remove it with the perfect fit you created.
Unfortunately, you would then be stuck with a cabin top that is not bonded to
the surrounding epoxy due to the mold release, and no good way to remove it without
breaking it.
Make sure the cabin top is in the right position and fill'r'up with flox...then
tighten the bolts when flox is cured...
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
So my concern with this approach is that will I have a problem clamping cabin cover
to fuselage to match drill bolt holes with that large of a gap. You are saying
just not worry about gap until final seating and they secure with flox an
not try to build up prior to final seating?
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
Sorry just saw post about using mold release before final seating before posting
last reply. Any thoughts what would be better?
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
I am certainly no fiberglass expert, but I'd be tempted to lay down a couple of
layers of fiberglass/epoxy on the bottom of the top, where, you've sanded too
far, to minimize how much flox you need to fill the gap.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
It also bears repeating Vans' instructions: QB builders must go thru the non-QB
instructions carefully (takes several hours!) to see where the "pro" guys screwed
up. Guaranteed you'll find a few things that need to be addressed.
My QB fuel tanks were installed with bolts one size too long, with a stack of washers
under each to make them fit!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
By the way, the lower or bottom portion seats fine, just sides, attached better
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
I thought I went through the QB kit pretty well, found lots of errors actually
(to the point that I am not sure I would even recommend a QB fuse kit), guess
checking the head style of every rivet was not something I got into.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
Not to go against the trend.....but why take our the 470's. If you have it
fitting....already cut the top....then just leave the "wrong" rivets in and
flox around them. Will help keep everything lined up and the will not
affect the structure. Drilling out the rivets and putting in new rivets
only increases the risk of messing something up.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mhealydds
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Cover Fit
By the way, the lower or bottom portion seats fine, just sides, attached
better pictures
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Cover Fit |
I agree with Rene. If it fits, don't bother drilling out those rivets. I
would lay a thick layer of flox or milled fiber filler between the top and
the fuse to fill the gap before drilling for the attach screws. The
problem with a release in an area like that is some resin will inevitably
seep into some cavity or female section that makes it very difficulty to
remove. It can be done with a lot of prep and forethought but it wouldn't
be worth it. Filling will work just fine. Keep it a little "below grade"
to reduce having to remove cured material--you can always bodywork it for
cosmetics afterward.
Once the top is on, it's an integral part of the fuselage. Taking it off
in the future might be possible but you'd need a really good reason.
--Dave
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> Not to go against the trend.....but why take our the 470's. If you have it
> fitting....already cut the top....then just leave the "wrong" rivets in and
> flox around them. Will help keep everything lined up and the will not
> affect the structure. Drilling out the rivets and putting in new rivets
> only increases the risk of messing something up.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mhealydds
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:13 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Cover Fit
>
>
> By the way, the lower or bottom portion seats fine, just sides, attached
> better pictures
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442270#442270
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