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1. 08:24 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Berck E. Nash)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Berck E. Nash)
4. 09:31 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Bob Condrey)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz)
6. 11:25 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz)
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask because
it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you can
protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and ADAHRS/GPS
receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a common
software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted quadrant.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This
> one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also
> includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a
> 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>
> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
> center console.
>
> A few other interesting things:
>
> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch of
> about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the
> location shown in the pictures.
>
> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
> great :)
>
> --------
> Ed Kranz
> RV10
> Finishing
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup PFD.
RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the left of
my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I don't
believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to pay.
The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy.
During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as is...
but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield or
below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact backup
PFD.
I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would probably
be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full 3 screen
system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. But I'd
prefer a real backup PFD.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask
> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you
> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and
> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a
> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted
> quadrant.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This
>> one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also
>> includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a
>> 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>>
>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
>> center console.
>>
>> A few other interesting things:
>>
>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch
>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the
>> location shown in the pictures.
>>
>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
>> great :)
>>
>> --------
>> Ed Kranz
>> RV10
>> Finishing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if
it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others
and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm
rather used to the autopilot panel being top center...
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup PFD.
> RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the left of
> my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I don't
> believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to pay.
> The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy.
>
> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as is...
> but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield or
> below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact backup
> PFD.
>
> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would probably
> be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full 3 screen
> system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. But I'd
> prefer a real backup PFD.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask
>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you
>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and
>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a
>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted
>> quadrant.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This
>>> one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also
>>> includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a
>>> 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>>>
>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
>>> center console.
>>>
>>> A few other interesting things:
>>>
>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch
>>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the
>>> location shown in the pictures.
>>>
>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
>>> great :)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Ed Kranz
>>> RV10
>>> Finishing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
Per a discussion I had with Geoff a couple days ago, yes you can move the
center screen down and fit the GMC-305 AP controller above it.
Bob
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if
> it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others
> and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm
> rather used to the autopilot panel being top center...
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup
>> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the
>> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I
>> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to
>> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy.
>>
>> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as
>> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield
>> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact
>> backup PFD.
>>
>> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would
>> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full
>> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground.
>> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD.
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask
>>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you
>>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and
>>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a
>>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted
>>> quadrant.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel.
>>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It
>>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to
>>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>>>>
>>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
>>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
>>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
>>>> center console.
>>>>
>>>> A few other interesting things:
>>>>
>>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch
>>>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the
>>>> location shown in the pictures.
>>>>
>>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
>>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
>>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
>>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
>>>> great :)
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Ed Kranz
>>>> RV10
>>>> Finishing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> ==========
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>>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
>>>> b Site -
>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
You can have the panels cut however you'd like. Another possible plus of
doing what you suggest is that I don't think you'd have to cut the subpanel
to fit the 650.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if
> it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others
> and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm
> rather used to the autopilot panel being top center...
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup
>> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the
>> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I
>> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to
>> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy.
>>
>> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as
>> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield
>> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact
>> backup PFD.
>>
>> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would
>> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full
>> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground.
>> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD.
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask
>>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you
>>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and
>>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a
>>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted
>>> quadrant.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel.
>>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It
>>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to
>>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>>>>
>>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
>>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
>>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
>>>> center console.
>>>>
>>>> A few other interesting things:
>>>>
>>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch
>>>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the
>>>> location shown in the pictures.
>>>>
>>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
>>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
>>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
>>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
>>>> great :)
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Ed Kranz
>>>> RV10
>>>> Finishing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> ==========
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>>>> ==========
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>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel |
Here's a quick and dirty photoshop of what that might look like. I gotta
say, I really like that too.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Bob Condrey <condreyb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Per a discussion I had with Geoff a couple days ago, yes you can move the
> center screen down and fit the GMC-305 AP controller above it.
>
> Bob
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if
>> it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others
>> and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm
>> rather used to the autopilot panel being top center...
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup
>>> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the
>>> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I
>>> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to
>>> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy.
>>>
>>> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as
>>> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield
>>> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact
>>> backup PFD.
>>>
>>> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would
>>> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full
>>> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground.
>>> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash <flyboy@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask
>>>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you
>>>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and
>>>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a
>>>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted
>>>> quadrant.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel.
>>>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It
>>>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to
>>>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics,
>>>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits
>>>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the
>>>>> center console.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few other interesting things:
>>>>>
>>>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A
>>>>> notch of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in
>>>>> the location shown in the pictures.
>>>>>
>>>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a
>>>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in
>>>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from
>>>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked
>>>>> great :)
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Ed Kranz
>>>>> RV10
>>>>> Finishing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
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