---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/28/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:24 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Berck E. Nash) 2. 08:40 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz) 3. 09:09 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Berck E. Nash) 4. 09:31 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Bob Condrey) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz) 6. 11:25 AM - Re: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel (Ed Kranz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: "Berck E. Nash" Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted quadrant. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This > one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also > includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a > 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. > > Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, > Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits > right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the > center console. > > A few other interesting things: > > -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch of > about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the > location shown in the pictures. > > -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a > "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in > turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from > sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked > great :) > > -------- > Ed Kranz > RV10 > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: Ed Kranz I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy. During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact backup PFD. I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. But I'd prefer a real backup PFD. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask > because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you > can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and > ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a > common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted > quadrant. > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: > >> >> Hey guys, >> >> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This >> one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also >> includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a >> 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. >> >> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, >> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits >> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the >> center console. >> >> A few other interesting things: >> >> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch >> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the >> location shown in the pictures. >> >> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a >> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in >> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from >> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked >> great :) >> >> -------- >> Ed Kranz >> RV10 >> Finishing >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: "Berck E. Nash" I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm rather used to the autopilot panel being top center... On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz wrote: > I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup PFD. > RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the left of > my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I don't > believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to pay. > The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy. > > During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as is... > but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield or > below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact backup > PFD. > > I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would probably > be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full 3 screen > system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. But I'd > prefer a real backup PFD. > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > >> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask >> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you >> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and >> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a >> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted >> quadrant. >> >> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: >> >>> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. This >>> one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It also >>> includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to do, a >>> 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. >>> >>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, >>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits >>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the >>> center console. >>> >>> A few other interesting things: >>> >>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch >>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the >>> location shown in the pictures. >>> >>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a >>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in >>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from >>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked >>> great :) >>> >>> -------- >>> Ed Kranz >>> RV10 >>> Finishing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: Bob Condrey Per a discussion I had with Geoff a couple days ago, yes you can move the center screen down and fit the GMC-305 AP controller above it. Bob On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if > it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others > and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm > rather used to the autopilot panel being top center... > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz wrote: > >> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup >> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the >> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I >> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to >> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy. >> >> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as >> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield >> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact >> backup PFD. >> >> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would >> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full >> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. >> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD. >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: >> >>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask >>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you >>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and >>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a >>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted >>> quadrant. >>> >>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. >>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It >>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to >>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. >>>> >>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, >>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits >>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the >>>> center console. >>>> >>>> A few other interesting things: >>>> >>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch >>>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the >>>> location shown in the pictures. >>>> >>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a >>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in >>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from >>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked >>>> great :) >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Ed Kranz >>>> RV10 >>>> Finishing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Attachments: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> ========== >>>> FORUMS - >>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> b Site - >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: Ed Kranz You can have the panels cut however you'd like. Another possible plus of doing what you suggest is that I don't think you'd have to cut the subpanel to fit the 650. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if > it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others > and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm > rather used to the autopilot panel being top center... > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz wrote: > >> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup >> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the >> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I >> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to >> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy. >> >> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as >> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield >> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact >> backup PFD. >> >> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would >> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full >> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. >> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD. >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: >> >>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask >>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you >>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and >>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a >>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted >>> quadrant. >>> >>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. >>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It >>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to >>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. >>>> >>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, >>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits >>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the >>>> center console. >>>> >>>> A few other interesting things: >>>> >>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A notch >>>> of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in the >>>> location shown in the pictures. >>>> >>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a >>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in >>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from >>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked >>>> great :) >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Ed Kranz >>>> RV10 >>>> Finishing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Attachments: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> ========== >>>> FORUMS - >>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> b Site - >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aerosport Symmetrical Panel From: Ed Kranz Here's a quick and dirty photoshop of what that might look like. I gotta say, I really like that too. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Bob Condrey wrote: > Per a discussion I had with Geoff a couple days ago, yes you can move the > center screen down and fit the GMC-305 AP controller above it. > > Bob > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Berck E. Nash wrote: > >> I suppose there's room for 3 round gauges off to the left. Any idea if >> it's possible to move the center screen down so it's level with the others >> and put the GMC305 on top, or are the holes for the screens pre-cut? I'm >> rather used to the autopilot panel being top center... >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ed Kranz wrote: >> >>> I keep going back and forth. I do want some sort of non-garmin backup >>> PFD. RC Allen makes a nice 2.5" LCD attitude gauge that would fit to the >>> left of my PFD1, but I'd want altitude and airspeed info as well. So far, I >>> don't believe that anyone makes one that small, for a price I'm willing to >>> pay. The Midcontinent SAM might fit there, but it's quite spendy. >>> >>> During the fly-off, I'm obviously day VFR, so I'm going to fly it as >>> is... but I'll probably end up with a Dynon D1 either up on the glareshield >>> or below the AP controller until someone comes out with a nice compact >>> backup PFD. >>> >>> I've also considered some of the iPad based "PFDs"... which would >>> probably be fine in the unlikely scenario that I'm in IMC and suffer a full >>> 3 screen system failure... Enough to get me to VMC to get on the ground. >>> But I'd prefer a real backup PFD. >>> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Berck E. Nash >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Are you planning on a separate self-contained backup system? I ask >>>> because it doesn't look like there's much room left over for one. While you >>>> can protect against hardware failures with the multiple screens and >>>> ADAHRS/GPS receivers across the G3X complex, there's always the issue of a >>>> common software bug. I really like the idea of the console mounted >>>> quadrant. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:06 AM, EdKranz wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey guys, >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to show off the redesigned AeroSport Symmetrical panel. >>>>> This one fits 3 10" displays (like the big G3X touch, or the AFS 5600). It >>>>> also includes room for a 750 below the center screen, or like I chose to >>>>> do, a 650, an audio panel, and the GMC305 AP controller. >>>>> >>>>> Because so much of the panel real estate is taken up with avionics, >>>>> Aerosport designed a new center console mounted throttle quadrant. It sits >>>>> right where your hand will naturally lay when you have your elbow on the >>>>> center console. >>>>> >>>>> A few other interesting things: >>>>> >>>>> -With the G3X Touch screens, NO rib modification was necessary. A >>>>> notch of about 2" was needed in the bottom of the sub-panel for the 650 in >>>>> the location shown in the pictures. >>>>> >>>>> -There is a lip at the bottom of the center panel that is PERFECT as a >>>>> "finger shelf" to brace your hands to operate the 305 AP panel in >>>>> turbulence. Now I obviously haven't tested this out in the air, but from >>>>> sitting in the garage, bouncing around making airplane noises, it worked >>>>> great :) >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Ed Kranz >>>>> RV10 >>>>> Finishing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442593#442593 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Attachments: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerosport_render_146.jpg >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hdr_panel_cropped_172.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========== >>>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>>> ========== >>>>> FORUMS - >>>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>>> ========== >>>>> b Site - >>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>> ========== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.