---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/03/15: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:57 AM - tie breaker (Chris Hukill) 2. 08:26 AM - throttle quadrant cable length (David) 3. 10:05 AM - Sad News (David Saylor) 4. 11:07 AM - Re: throttle quadrant cable length (Bill Watson) 5. 05:40 PM - Learning to Fly (Jeff Carpenter) 6. 06:45 PM - Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Phillip Perry) 7. 06:45 PM - Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Phillip Perry) 8. 07:14 PM - Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Kelly McMullen) 9. 07:24 PM - Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Rocketman1988) 10. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Phillip Perry) 11. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks (Kelly McMullen) 12. 08:35 PM - Re: Learning to Fly (Berck E. Nash) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:46 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: tie breaker Lenny The purpose of a "tie breaker" is to verify which of your attitude indications are correct when two systems are in disagreement. It is mostly redundant information in modern EFIS systems as the EFIS will compare it's attitude information with pitot- static and GPS data and figure out which one is in error from that. It then alerts the pilot with it's determination of which attitude system is in fault. The pilot only has to verify that recommendation and the EFIS will run both screens on the good AHDRS . This all happens in a few seconds. The pilot should have a means of verifying the attitude information during those few seconds, hence a tie breaker. Any precession error or centripetal forces aren't a factor as your only interested in the displayed attitude of the tie breaker during the short period of time that your verifying the EFIS's solution to the displayed error. In VMC you could just look out the window, or in the bad old days you could try to fly with needle ball and airspeed. Heck we had to be able to fly an approach using only an airspeed indicator, altimeter, and an electric turn and bank even with all of it's precession errors. A modern standby suite should be able to give you all the info a needle, ball and airspeed gives you, but the panel real estate dedicated to those old dials would be better spent on a second screen with it's second, monitored AHDRS. Your IPhone velcroed to the panel with it's attitude info displayed could then be your tiebreaker. Chris Time: 03:45:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: tie breaker From: "Lenny Iszak" I would not rely on that as a tiebreaker. Once you get into a turn the centripetal forces start messing with the attitude solution much like your own senses, which we all know better not to rely on. The steeper the turn the bigger the error. To correct for the centripetal error you need to factor in speed, and I don't think the compass app does that, but I could be wrong, I never tried the app in flight. Lenny ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:17 AM PST US From: "David" Subject: RV10-List: throttle quadrant cable length The current CT Q-49.5 is 49.5 inches long. I seem to recall that another slightly longer length has been used on the IO540 installation on the quadrant 10s. Any comments? David McNeill N46007 900+ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:25 AM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: RV10-List: Sad News I'm sad to hear that Jeremy Monnett, CEO of Sonex, died in a crash at Oshkosh along with another Sonex employee, Mike Clark. I worked with Jeremy on the FAA 51% rule committee a few years ago. He was a great guy and very dedicated to experimental aviation. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/aircraft-manufacturers-ceo-mechanic-killed-plane-crash-31498294 --Dave ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:44 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: throttle quadrant cable length A slightly longer length for all three cables is better than what is supplied. I originally installed the standard cables on a standard IO-540 installation with the quadrant. I'm not sure there is a 'standard' quadrant installation but my quadrant seemed to end up where everyone elses has. It worked but at year 2 all three cables had frayed in spots and there was some melting of the plastic covering in spots on 1 or two. Per advice gleaned from the boards, I replaced all three with custom cables from California Push-Pull. Same spec as Vans supplied except the plastic coating was higher temp I believe. The cables I ordered, installed and am flying with are 176-VTT-2-47, -51, and -72. In retrospect, I wish I had gone with those in the original build. On 6/3/2015 11:23 AM, David wrote: > > The current CT Q-49.5 is 49.5 inches long. I seem to recall that > another slightly longer length has been used on the IO540 installation > on the quadrant 10s. Any comments? > > David McNeill > > N46007 900+ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:15 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: Learning to Fly This is a great read... worth passing on to anyone interested in learning to fly What I Learned About Fear by Intentionally Stalling a Plane Jeff Carpenter 40304 ... just about to gas up the tanks do not archive Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff@westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:11 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: RV10-List: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks Just curious. I'm trimming up my wing root fairings and am running into a problem. Going back, I think I've found it. Attached is a photo of 18-5. They call for a dimple in the T-1005B (upper) shim. But the plans don't call for dimples in the T-1005C (lower) shim. The skin is dimpled (as called for under in the wing attach section), but this substructure isn't. Am I missing something in assuming these bottom shims need to be dimpled too? Or is there something I don't know/understand. Phil Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:34 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: RV10-List: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks With photo this time. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > Just curious. I'm trimming up my wing root fairings and am running into a problem. Going back, I think I've found it. > > Attached is a photo of 18-5. They call for a dimple in the T-1005B (upper ) shim. But the plans don't call for dimples in the T-1005C (lower) shim. > > The skin is dimpled (as called for under in the wing attach section), but t his substructure isn't. > > Am I missing something in assuming these bottom shims need to be dimpled t oo? Or is there something I don't know/understand. > > Phil > > > > Sent from my iPhone
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks From: Kelly McMullen Phil, The difference is the top and bottom fairings join at the top, where you have the dimpled nutplates, while the rest of the holes go through more layers and can be countersunk. There is no skin joint on the bottom, just at the forward spar attach on top. Kelly On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > Just curious. I'm trimming up my wing root fairings and am running into a > problem. Going back, I think I've found it. > > Attached is a photo of 18-5. They call for a dimple in the T-1005B > (upper) shim. But the plans don't call for dimples in the T-1005C (lower) > shim. > > The skin is dimpled (as called for under in the wing attach section), but > this substructure isn't. > > Am I missing something in assuming these bottom shims need to be dimpled > too? Or is there something I don't know/understand. > > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:36 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks From: "Rocketman1988" I am at the root fairing step and had to read and re read the plans to figure that one out...the holes that are not dimple get counter sunk to accept the dimpled root fairing... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442968#442968 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:17 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks Do you remember where that step can be found? That was going to be my plan. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Rocketman1988 wrote: > > > I am at the root fairing step and had to read and re read the plans to figure that one out...the holes that are not dimple get counter sunk to accept the dimpled root fairing... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442968#442968 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Missing step? 18-5 Fuel Tanks From: Kelly McMullen Phil, I just looked for it and didn't find the step. I'm not sure if I just decided to go ahead and do the countersinking as I was doing the wing attach or if I ran across it somewhere. PG 44-10 figure has mention of machine countersinking of the tank skin and shows the rest of the holes on the stub spar as though they were already done. Kelly On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > Do you remember where that step can be found? That was going to be my > plan. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Rocketman1988 wrote: > > > > > > I am at the root fairing step and had to read and re read the plans to > figure that one out...the holes that are not dimple get counter sunk to > accept the dimpled root fairing... > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442968#442968 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:58 PM PST US From: "Berck E. Nash" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Learning to Fly On 06/03/2015 06:35 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > This is a great read... worth passing on to anyone interested in > learning to fly Thanks for sharing, as off-topic as it might be. As a flight instructor, I really enjoyed reading it. It's often hard for me to understand exactly what it's like for a student with zero knowledge of flight, and I think the author does a wonderful job of conveying exactly what the experience was like for him. Since it's of our job to try to see things from that point of view, I'd recommend it to any flight instructor. 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