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1. 06:22 AM - black dye (Chris Hukill)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: black dye (Bob Leffler)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: black dye (Linn Walters)
4. 12:50 PM - Re: Not renewing website (tmoushon@gmail.com)
5. 02:09 PM - Re: black dye (Carl Froehlich)
6. 03:01 PM - A-920 throttle / mixture cable (Gordon Anderson)
7. 03:43 PM - Re: A-920 throttle / mixture cable (Linn Walters)
8. 06:30 PM - Re: Not renewing website (Timothy Meyer)
9. 07:00 PM - Re: Not renewing website (Deems Davis)
Message 1
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I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it
VERY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It
turned a simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I
had even enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane
builder for the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a
heck of a lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the
bids due to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had
never used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing
could be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye
in it after all the sanding has been done. I know that I=99m
going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada,
however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit
as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that
we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact.
Chris Hukill
finally flying
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The issue is that you want the black layer to be up against the windshield.
You can't paint that on later. A compromise may be to ensure that the bo
ttom layers are black. After that it should make much of a difference.
Like you forewarned, I was a fiberglass newbie and had absolutely no issues w
ith this step. Perhaps I had better lighting along with my bifocals that a
llowed me to see better what I was working with? =F0=9F=98=84. I suspect tha
t there are more people that experienced none or minimal issues as opposed t
o those that did.
You shouldn't have to do that much sanding. Just add a small layer of micr
o as a top coat to smooth things out. If you are doing a lot of sanding, e
specially through layers, it's usually an indication of other issues.
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Chris Hukill <cjhukill@cox.net> wrote:
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> I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it VE
RY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a si
mple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even enliste
d the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for the layup of t
he windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a lot more sanding aft
er it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due to our inability to see th
e material as we worked it. He had never used it before and will never again
, nor will I. The same thing could be accomplished by brushing on black pain
t or epoxy with the dye in it after all the sanding has been done. I know t
hat I=99m going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, y
ada yada, however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no ben
efit as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that
we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact.
> Chris Hukill
> finally flying
>
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I just used black paint on the inside of the windshield after I had
roughened up the surface. I used that paint line to tape off the
outside where the top of the final layup went. I haven't pulled off the
plastic covering the windshield yet so I can't vouch for it's looks yet!
I used an assortment of PVC tubes with sandpaper attached .... used the
3M spray photo contact cement ..... but the best tool I've found for
shaping fiberglass is a 1" thick X 4" Dia. black wheel with 1/4" shaft
that fits my angle die grinder. Both the cement and wheel came from
Home Depot.
Linn
On 7/7/2015 9:18 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadnt. It makes it VERY
> difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a
> simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even
> enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for
> the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a
> lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due
> to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had never
> used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing could
> be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye in it
> after all the sanding has been done. I know that Im going to hear
> from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada, however be
> forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit as we had
> to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that we still
> had to apply a darkening agent after the fact.
> Chris Hukill
> finally flying
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Not renewing website |
I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have helped
clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like Deems, Bill
and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless... I would gladly
select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for supporting Matronics should
they ever get involved. There are some things just worth preserving for
our future builders.
On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me finish.....
So thanks for the heads up.
Terry
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I used left over carbon fiber from a Lancair 4 builder for the
windshield. I found the carbon fiber to be an excellent material for
his application and it looks good on the inside of the cabin. I have
other places on the RV-10 project where carbon was a better choice than
standard fiberglass. One recommendation =93 you just cannot scuff
up the glass too much where you put the layup. This calls for the real
course sandpaper. Protect the rest of the glass or you get to buy a new
windshield.
I=99ve heard the issue of galvanic corrosion with aluminum against
carbon fiber but offer that as a consideration when using aluminum into
cured and milled carbon fiber joints, not when the fiber is encased in
resin.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: black dye
I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it
VERY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It
turned a simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I
had even enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane
builder for the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a
heck of a lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the
bids due to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had
never used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing
could be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye
in it after all the sanding has been done. I know that I=99m
going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada,
however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit
as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that
we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact.
Chris Hukill
finally flying
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| Subject: | A-920 throttle / mixture cable |
Does anyone have experience using the Aircraft Spruce teflon lined A-920 cables
with CableSafe2 or similar fittings at each end (quadrant installation) instead
of the Van's or ACS A-1550 throttle cable?
I am struggling with alignment issues using the Vans cable bracket and wonder if
this arrangement might give just a little more flexibility to avoid the cable
hitting the bottom of the sump. I have already "adjusted" the bracket to give
as much clearance as possible, but especially on the mixture side the misalignment
is more than the 8 the push-pull cable normally allows.
Gordon Anderson
Switzerland
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| Subject: | Re: A-920 throttle / mixture cable |
I too struggled with the engine cables. I didn't route the cables
through the Adel clamps on the sub-panel. Gained a little 'slack' by
going straight to the Heyco bushings.
Linn
On 7/7/2015 5:58 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
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> Does anyone have experience using the Aircraft Spruce teflon lined A-920 cables
with CableSafe2 or similar fittings at each end (quadrant installation) instead
of the Van's or ACS A-1550 throttle cable?
>
> I am struggling with alignment issues using the Vans cable bracket and wonder
if this arrangement might give just a little more flexibility to avoid the cable
hitting the bottom of the sump. I have already "adjusted" the bracket to
give as much clearance as possible, but especially on the mixture side the misalignment
is more than the 8 the push-pull cable normally allows.
>
> Gordon Anderson
> Switzerland
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not renewing website |
There is a program available for download from https://www.httrack.com/ that
will make a complete copy of an entire website. Normally used for website
backup and maintenance. If anyone wants a copy of the website before it is
gone.
Tim Meyer
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have
> helped clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like
> Deems, Bill and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless...
> I would gladly select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for
> supporting Matronics should they ever get involved. There are some things
> just worth preserving for our future builders.
>
> On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me
> finish..... So thanks for the heads up.
>
> Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not renewing website |
Just to let everybody know, Tim Olson has offered to copy the site and
include it on his site. I created an archived copy of the site and Tim's
going to do his magic. We had an issue yesterday getting access to the
portal, but it appears to be resolved. I/ Tim will let folks know when its
available .
Thanks
Deems
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Timothy Meyer <tgmeyerster@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a program available for download from https://www.httrack.com/ that
> will make a complete copy of an entire website. Normally used for website
> backup and maintenance. If anyone wants a copy of the website before it is
> gone.
>
> Tim Meyer
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have
>> helped clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like
>> Deems, Bill and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless...
>> I would gladly select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for
>> supporting Matronics should they ever get involved. There are some things
>> just worth preserving for our future builders.
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>> On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me
>> finish..... So thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> Terry
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