---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/07/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - black dye (Chris Hukill) 2. 06:56 AM - Re: black dye (Bob Leffler) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: black dye (Linn Walters) 4. 12:50 PM - Re: Not renewing website (tmoushon@gmail.com) 5. 02:09 PM - Re: black dye (Carl Froehlich) 6. 03:01 PM - A-920 throttle / mixture cable (Gordon Anderson) 7. 03:43 PM - Re: A-920 throttle / mixture cable (Linn Walters) 8. 06:30 PM - Re: Not renewing website (Timothy Meyer) 9. 07:00 PM - Re: Not renewing website (Deems Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:08 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: black dye I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it VERY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had never used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing could be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye in it after all the sanding has been done. I know that I=99m going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada, however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact. Chris Hukill finally flying ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:56 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: black dye The issue is that you want the black layer to be up against the windshield. You can't paint that on later. A compromise may be to ensure that the bo ttom layers are black. After that it should make much of a difference. Like you forewarned, I was a fiberglass newbie and had absolutely no issues w ith this step. Perhaps I had better lighting along with my bifocals that a llowed me to see better what I was working with? =F0=9F=98=84. I suspect tha t there are more people that experienced none or minimal issues as opposed t o those that did. You shouldn't have to do that much sanding. Just add a small layer of micr o as a top coat to smooth things out. If you are doing a lot of sanding, e specially through layers, it's usually an indication of other issues. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > > I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it VE RY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a si mple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even enliste d the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for the layup of t he windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a lot more sanding aft er it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due to our inability to see th e material as we worked it. He had never used it before and will never again , nor will I. The same thing could be accomplished by brushing on black pain t or epoxy with the dye in it after all the sanding has been done. I know t hat I=99m going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, y ada yada, however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no ben efit as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact. > Chris Hukill > finally flying > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:45 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: black dye I just used black paint on the inside of the windshield after I had roughened up the surface. I used that paint line to tape off the outside where the top of the final layup went. I haven't pulled off the plastic covering the windshield yet so I can't vouch for it's looks yet! I used an assortment of PVC tubes with sandpaper attached .... used the 3M spray photo contact cement ..... but the best tool I've found for shaping fiberglass is a 1" thick X 4" Dia. black wheel with 1/4" shaft that fits my angle die grinder. Both the cement and wheel came from Home Depot. Linn On 7/7/2015 9:18 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadnt. It makes it VERY > difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a > simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even > enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for > the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a > lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due > to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had never > used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing could > be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye in it > after all the sanding has been done. I know that Im going to hear > from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada, however be > forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit as we had > to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that we still > had to apply a darkening agent after the fact. > Chris Hukill > finally flying > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Not renewing website From: tmoushon@gmail.com I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have helped clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like Deems, Bill and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless... I would gladly select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for supporting Matronics should they ever get involved. There are some things just worth preserving for our future builders. On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me finish..... So thanks for the heads up. Terry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:10 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: black dye I used left over carbon fiber from a Lancair 4 builder for the windshield. I found the carbon fiber to be an excellent material for his application and it looks good on the inside of the cabin. I have other places on the RV-10 project where carbon was a better choice than standard fiberglass. One recommendation =93 you just cannot scuff up the glass too much where you put the layup. This calls for the real course sandpaper. Protect the rest of the glass or you get to buy a new windshield. I=99ve heard the issue of galvanic corrosion with aluminum against carbon fiber but offer that as a consideration when using aluminum into cured and milled carbon fiber joints, not when the fiber is encased in resin. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: black dye I used the black dye and sure wished that I hadn=99t. It makes it VERY difficult to see the layers of the glass as you lay it up. It turned a simple layup job into a almost aborted job and a huge mess. I had even enlisted the help of a very experienced fiberglass plane builder for the layup of the windshield fairing, and we ended up with a heck of a lot more sanding after it setup due to the unevenness of the bids due to our inability to see the material as we worked it. He had never used it before and will never again, nor will I. The same thing could be accomplished by brushing on black paint or epoxy with the dye in it after all the sanding has been done. I know that I=99m going to hear from others that they had no problem with it, yada yada, however be forewarned that it caused us much grief and with no benefit as we had to sand so much material off and build back more layers, that we still had to apply a darkening agent after the fact. Chris Hukill finally flying ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:32 PM PST US From: Gordon Anderson Subject: RV10-List: A-920 throttle / mixture cable Does anyone have experience using the Aircraft Spruce teflon lined A-920 cables with CableSafe2 or similar fittings at each end (quadrant installation) instead of the Van's or ACS A-1550 throttle cable? I am struggling with alignment issues using the Vans cable bracket and wonder if this arrangement might give just a little more flexibility to avoid the cable hitting the bottom of the sump. I have already "adjusted" the bracket to give as much clearance as possible, but especially on the mixture side the misalignment is more than the 8 the push-pull cable normally allows. Gordon Anderson Switzerland ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:33 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: A-920 throttle / mixture cable I too struggled with the engine cables. I didn't route the cables through the Adel clamps on the sub-panel. Gained a little 'slack' by going straight to the Heyco bushings. Linn On 7/7/2015 5:58 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote: > > Does anyone have experience using the Aircraft Spruce teflon lined A-920 cables with CableSafe2 or similar fittings at each end (quadrant installation) instead of the Van's or ACS A-1550 throttle cable? > > I am struggling with alignment issues using the Vans cable bracket and wonder if this arrangement might give just a little more flexibility to avoid the cable hitting the bottom of the sump. I have already "adjusted" the bracket to give as much clearance as possible, but especially on the mixture side the misalignment is more than the 8 the push-pull cable normally allows. > > Gordon Anderson > Switzerland > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Not renewing website From: Timothy Meyer There is a program available for download from https://www.httrack.com/ that will make a complete copy of an entire website. Normally used for website backup and maintenance. If anyone wants a copy of the website before it is gone. Tim Meyer On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, wrote: > > I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have > helped clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like > Deems, Bill and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless... > I would gladly select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for > supporting Matronics should they ever get involved. There are some things > just worth preserving for our future builders. > > On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me > finish..... So thanks for the heads up. > > Terry > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Not renewing website From: Deems Davis Just to let everybody know, Tim Olson has offered to copy the site and include it on his site. I created an archived copy of the site and Tim's going to do his magic. We had an issue yesterday getting access to the portal, but it appears to be resolved. I/ Tim will let folks know when its available . Thanks Deems On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Timothy Meyer wrote: > There is a program available for download from https://www.httrack.com/ that > will make a complete copy of an entire website. Normally used for website > backup and maintenance. If anyone wants a copy of the website before it is > gone. > > Tim Meyer > > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, wrote: > >> >> I too am very grateful to have had access to websites of those who have >> helped clear the path. I know Tim has kept his going quite a while like >> Deems, Bill and others. Processes, photos and decisions are priceless... >> I would gladly select a few of these builders photo CDs as my gift for >> supporting Matronics should they ever get involved. There are some things >> just worth preserving for our future builders. >> >> On a personal note Deems, I just downloaded about 150 photos to help me >> finish..... 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