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1. 12:24 PM - ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
2. 12:52 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Tim Olson)
3. 01:07 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Linn Walters)
4. 01:45 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
5. 02:00 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
6. 02:30 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Bob Leffler)
7. 02:52 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
8. 02:54 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Jesse Saint)
9. 02:54 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Bob Turner)
10. 03:16 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Bob Turner)
11. 03:54 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Tim Olson)
12. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: ADS-B Receivers (Linn Walters)
13. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: ADS-B Receivers (Dj Merrill)
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I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get an
ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad for
charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed to
a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as
are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170 is
by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really
an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one into my RV14 as well...both
to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad. One tip...if you go
with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money. I have WingX,
Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just
turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than
the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have
many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely
buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no
matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will only receive something if
someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
You might check out the pathfinder http://www.fdatasystems.com/pathfinder
What are you doing for ADS-B out? Just curious.
I have MGL Odyssey panels and have a Trig transponder for out. Looking
at the pathfinder for in, but haven't purchased it. The closer I get to
flying I think there'll be even more options, but I'm sure the prices
will also increase. Hobson's choice!
Linn
On 8/28/2015 3:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
Thanks again,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves
some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of
those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the way
to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and
iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
Thanks again for the info,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
Thanks again,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves
some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of
those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.
That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Thanks Bill, that makes sense.
I received a response from the Bill Moffitt at NavWorx regarding communicating
to multiple devices, here it is:
The product description has the ADS600-EXP sending traffic & weather data
to an EFIS (e.g. GRT, AFS, etc) <and> traffic & weather data over the built-in
Wifi to iOS or Android devices - up to 7 devices in the airplane at one time.
The ADS600-EXP is the same hardware and software as in our STC/AML/TSO certified
ADS600-B product.
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.
That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!
i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
My two cents:
WX on the iPad is okay, but you really want traffic up on the panel - e.g., on
your GRT display. You did not say what GRT you have. The older HS requires an
RS232 input, while the HX or HXr can use USB. So your GRT equipment may dictate
what ADSB-in box you can use.
For now, with no ADSB-out, your traffic in will be limited. That being the case
I'd consider only dual band receivers, so at least you maximize what you can
get.
What do you have now? I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined
my best path to compliance is:
Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my existing
mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of
which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is up
to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed
(antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory
overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi)
running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.
I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get it
for free which is great!
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RV-10 QB
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NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial
port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.
Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new
ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.
This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort of
documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.
It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
Shielded cables to the cockpit.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
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> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
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> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>
>> Thanks again for the info,
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!
> i!
>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>
>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>
>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>
>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
The ADS-B regulatory team took a good look at the problems avionics
manufacturers have ..... certifying each box/installation on specific
airplane models ..... and wrote in blanket approval for GA aircraft.
What they didn't do is address experimentals at all ..... just plain
ignored them ..... so the FAA wrote a blanket letter that basically says
(like the EXP below) the installation and equipment must meet the
requirements of the TSO.
The FAA, in it's infinite wisdom, certified GPS boxes/installation which
left out upgrades to the GPS chipset ..... so that those original
certified GPS units are inferior to present day chip sets. The chip set
manufacturers have quit certifying the chip sets because of the
repetitive costs of certification. The rewrite of the part 23
certification (AFAIK) is supposed to broaden the scope of certification
and thereby bring the cost of certified boxes down.
Linn
On 8/28/2015 6:13 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial
port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.
> Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new
ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.
> This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort
of documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.
> It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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On 8/28/2015 5:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined my best path to
compliance is:
> Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my
existing mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of
which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is
up to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed
(antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory
overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi)
running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.
> I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get
it for free which is great!
Bob your setup is very similar to mine:
IN:
SkyRadar with iLevil for tertiary attitude backup
WingX on an iPad for ADS-B info and attitude info via Wifi
GRT HX for ADS-B info via USB
OUT:
Trig TT22 (latest 2.7 software update that came out last month supports
Garmin ADS-B+ protocol)
Garmin GNS480 (Apollo CNX80) for GPS position source
GRT Mini-X as the control head for the TT22 and secondary attitude backup
I just finished the software upgrade to the TT22 and it seems to work well.
-Dj
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