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1. 02:21 AM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Bob Leffler)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Rene)
3. 06:46 AM - ADS-B (DLM)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: ADS-B (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console (Ed Kranz)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Carl Froehlich)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Dj Merrill)
9. 12:01 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Carl Froehlich)
10. 12:49 PM - Re: ADS-B Receivers (Bob Turner)
11. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: ADS-B Receivers (Marcus Cooper)
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Marcus,
Both Skyview and AFS EFIS will work with Trutrak servos and autopilot. AFS has
better integration than Skyview, but the extent on integration will depend on
which AP head you have.
I know at least one RV-10 that has Skyview and a Trutrak Vizion installed. He
also has a 480. There quite a few RV-10s with AFS with the AFS Pilot AP (including
me) which is a Trutrak head with slightly different firmware for better integration.
I'm also aware of folks that have a Sorcerer with their AFS EFIS,
but the integration is not as complete.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I was in the same boat. I went the HX and Navworx route. Has worked great and
required very little work. In my case, I did it over time....unit a year for
a couple of years (3) (replaced my backup blue mountain unit). It is a plug
and play for the screens, except they are a little bigger and require the panel
to be reworked a little.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Gents,
Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets my
needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks great
and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
n!
> e!
>> i!
>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>
>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>>
>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>
>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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I am using the hybrid system at the present time; a TT31 mode S with ADS-B
out and a Skyradar dual receiver. Skyradar has changed the name (I forget
it). I still need to get the GRT position source for 2020. GRT and Dynon
have committed to produce a position source only for about $600. I currently
use both, the Garmin sensor in my Sport backup or the Crossbow sensor in the
Chelton AHRS. The reason for getting the dual band receiver is availability
of traffic directly only on the transponder frequency. In the future users
transmitting on transponder frequency only will only provide direct traffic
to your aircraft receiver if you are dual band. Otherwise the UAT
transmissions must go to an ATC facility to receive the 978Mh UAT who then
rebroadcasts. Stated differently, aircraft A (1090 equipped) does not talk
directly to your aircraft with UAT only receive capability. Your aircraft
will be tracked by ATC and your location will be rebroadcast and you can
then "see" aircraft A on your display. With my setup, any "out' equipped
aircraft is immediately "seen" by my equipment directly without waiting for
a rebroadcast from ATC radar since I "listen" continuously for both 978 and
1090. Hence an "out" equipped aircraft departing a remote airport will be
"seen" by my equipment even if it is below radar coverage.
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Dynon announced at Osh a GPS receiver module that meets all the TSO
requirements without the actual approval. Direct plug-in for both AFS
and Dynon Skyview equipment, around $590. Eliminates need for certified
panel mount GPS if your mission doesn't include IFR GPS flights.
On 8/31/2015 6:42 AM, DLM wrote:
>
> I am using the hybrid system at the present time; a TT31 mode S with ADS-B
> out and a Skyradar dual receiver. Skyradar has changed the name (I forget
> it). I still need to get the GRT position source for 2020. GRT and Dynon
> have committed to produce a position source only for about $600. I currently
> use both, the Garmin sensor in my Sport backup or the Crossbow sensor in the
> Chelton AHRS. The reason for getting the dual band receiver is availability
> of traffic directly only on the transponder frequency. In the future users
> transmitting on transponder frequency only will only provide direct traffic
> to your aircraft receiver if you are dual band. Otherwise the UAT
> transmissions must go to an ATC facility to receive the 978Mh UAT who then
> rebroadcasts. Stated differently, aircraft A (1090 equipped) does not talk
> directly to your aircraft with UAT only receive capability. Your aircraft
> will be tracked by ATC and your location will be rebroadcast and you can
> then "see" aircraft A on your display. With my setup, any "out' equipped
> aircraft is immediately "seen" by my equipment directly without waiting for
> a rebroadcast from ATC radar since I "listen" continuously for both 978 and
> 1090. Hence an "out" equipped aircraft departing a remote airport will be
> "seen" by my equipment even if it is below radar coverage.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
Looks just like the tool I made/used!
http://i.imgur.com/0jZOHvV.jpg
I also installed the vents after the cabin top was installed.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Great tool! I think I will make a copy of it. I have a loose light
> the is forward of the air vent that I can't get to with the vent in the way.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:41 PM, bhoppe2 <bruce.hoppe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I installed the SteinAir vents after the overhead console was bonded to
> the canopy and clear coated. Of course, the openings were cut to size
> beforehand.
> >
> > I made a tool to tighten the nuts inside the console. I cut a 7/8" long
> piece of 2" PVC pipe, then drilled 2 small holes in the end of the PVC pipe
> that align with the spanner wrench slots in the air vent nut. Insert small
> finish nails in those hole in the pipe and you have a much better way to
> tight the nut. I also have a series of small holes around the perimeter of
> the PVC pipe so that I could insert a drift punch and use it as a lever to
> rotate and get the nut even tighter. I have installed and removed the air
> vents a couple times without a problem. Attached is a photo on the "tool".
> >
> > --------
> > Bruce Hoppe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446544#446544
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_252.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Marcus,
If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
- You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
- The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
- No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still is
a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
- Plug and play - and it all works.
- Free for life aviation data base updates.
- Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on the
SkyView EFIS.
- Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
- No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
- No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
- My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
- If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
- Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
- Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning transfer
between the iPad and the SkyView.
Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get one
Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Gents,
Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets my
needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks great
and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
n!
> e!
>> i!
>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>
>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>>
>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>
>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Wow, more awesome write-upsthanks everyone.
Last question for now, any ideas if the GRT EIS info will display on any other
systems? I realize the EIS is standalone, but Ive become used to seeing the full
graphic display on an EFIS screen. Im toying with the idea of keeping one
of the GRT WS screens and put it on what is now a blank area on the passenger
side. Good, essentially free, backup but I dont want it running the A/P or EIS
as that would get old real quick.
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Marcus,
>
> If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
> - You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
> - The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
> - No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
>
> I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still
is a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
>
> Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
> - Plug and play - and it all works.
> - Free for life aviation data base updates.
> - Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on
the SkyView EFIS.
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
> - No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
> - No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
> - My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
> - If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
> - Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
> - Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning
transfer between the iPad and the SkyView.
>
> Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get
one Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 08/31/2015 11:01 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
A comment, the cost of upgrading the GNS480 to the latest software which
provides the "Garmin ADS-B+" protocol and allows the 480 to be 2020
compliant is whatever your avionics shop charges for one hour of labor.
Not very expensive at all, surprisingly. :-)
I suspect most people would end up paying somewhere between $75 to $150
in total.
I just did this upgrade on the 480 last month and it was dirt simple and
easy, not even any need to take the unit out of the panel.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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Marcus,
I don't know about the other offerings but I do not believe the GR EIS will display
on the Dynon SkyView. You could get the SkyView EMS (Engine Monitoring System)
module and try to use your current probes and such, but if my decision
I'd just keep the existing GR EFIS and EIS and put the display on the co-pilot
side. As you point out, the other benefit is you would retain a full EFIS backup.
I like having the second display in the plane. My normal cruise set up is pilot
side half screen Moving Map and half screen Primary Flight Display. Co-pilot
side is half or 20% Engine Monitoring and half or 80% alternating between longer
range Map (mainly to see weather), IFR or VFR chart or approach plate.
This last week I spent 10 hours or so in the right hand seat to let my son-in-law
(Navy F-18 aviator) get some time in the RV-10. I kept the pilot/co-pilot
setup the same and found it easy to look over to the pilot screen when needed.
My experience is while possible, a single 10" display running something like 40%
moving map, 40% PFD and 20% engine monitoring is not what you want other than
a backup mode.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Wow, more awesome write-upsthanks everyone.
Last question for now, any ideas if the GRT EIS info will display on any other
systems? I realize the EIS is standalone, but Ive become used to seeing the full
graphic display on an EFIS screen. Im toying with the idea of keeping one
of the GRT WS screens and put it on what is now a blank area on the passenger
side. Good, essentially free, backup but I dont want it running the A/P or EIS
as that would get old real quick.
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> Marcus,
>
> If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
> - You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
> - The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
> - No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
>
> I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still
is a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
>
> Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
> - Plug and play - and it all works.
> - Free for life aviation data base updates.
> - Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on
the SkyView EFIS.
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
> - No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
> - No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
> - My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
> - If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
> - Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
> - Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning
transfer between the iPad and the SkyView.
>
> Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get
one Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
> Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and T!
r!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring !
o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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More of my two cents, and I have my flak jacket on.
Everyone loves what they have, so you need to consider that in reading their opinions.
If I read "Well, I bought a Dynon but Now I wish I had not" that opinion
would be worth a lot - but you never see that.
Now, I own and love GRT equipment, so take my opinion as just as biased as everyone
elses!
If you are serious about an upgrade, you can:
Buy a GRT HX. Move the HS-WS to the right. The boxes can talk to each other, both
see the EIS data. Buy a new air data box for the HX so you have redundancy,
or keep and share the old one, your decision.
Buy the modified (no control head) TT-22 transponder for $2200 from GRT. Sell your
old one. This is comparable to the Dynon transponder in cost.
Pay your avionics shop $100 to install new software on your 480 so that it puts
out Garmin's ADSB+ protocol. Run a single wire from the 480 to the TT-22 with
this data. GRT HX software to run all this is available now in beta form, final
version will be out soon. Free, of course. Finally, choose from a large selection
of ADSB-in boxes, all less than one Aviation unit ($1000), to get ADSB-in
data.
If you want an EFIS upgrade, then this path gives you a lot of value for, I think,
the least cost. If you do not want an EFIS upgrade, then a stand alone Tt-22
or -31 adds about $400 to the cost for ADSB-out. You will need to compare total
in/out costs to the UAT solutions, again look for a UAT that can read Garmin
ADSB+ format; or comes with its own inexpensive gps ( don't forget to add
in antenna and control costs).
Okay, now flak jacket on. IMHO the Skyview is only marginally acceptable for actual
IMC, because its attitude solution (horizon) requires accurate airspeed data.
Dynon recognized the issue, and a software upgrade attempts to flag bad airspeed
and revert to gps data. However, there is at least one report of a partial
pitot blockage, where the blockage was bad enough to generate incorrect horizon
data, but not bad enough to trigger the switch to gps data.
I believe but am not certain that the turn coordinator bars continued to work properly,
so a really good pilot could squint and watch those bars while ignoring
the horizon. And/or, throw the switch to put the autopilot into stand alone
mode and use that. There are options, which is why I said "marginally". But you
must be aware of the possibility.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446630#446630
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Thanks again for the time everyone has taken to respond, all great inputs. Carl,
awesome looking panel!
Bob, I think you may have landed on the solution for me. Upgrading the 480 sounds
like a great way to go and stick with the overall platform I have now. I
forgot about the fact the WS and HX could talk to each other. I like the idea
of a big screen for me and backup off to the side. I dont have enough room to
run larger than dual 6.5 screens, but with only one the limit is reduced significantly.
Now if the money box fairy would just stop by...
Thanks again all,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
> More of my two cents, and I have my flak jacket on.
>
> Everyone loves what they have, so you need to consider that in reading their
opinions. If I read "Well, I bought a Dynon but Now I wish I had not" that opinion
would be worth a lot - but you never see that.
> Now, I own and love GRT equipment, so take my opinion as just as biased as everyone
elses!
> If you are serious about an upgrade, you can:
> Buy a GRT HX. Move the HS-WS to the right. The boxes can talk to each other,
both see the EIS data. Buy a new air data box for the HX so you have redundancy,
or keep and share the old one, your decision.
> Buy the modified (no control head) TT-22 transponder for $2200 from GRT. Sell
your old one. This is comparable to the Dynon transponder in cost.
> Pay your avionics shop $100 to install new software on your 480 so that it puts
out Garmin's ADSB+ protocol. Run a single wire from the 480 to the TT-22 with
this data. GRT HX software to run all this is available now in beta form, final
version will be out soon. Free, of course. Finally, choose from a large selection
of ADSB-in boxes, all less than one Aviation unit ($1000), to get ADSB-in
data.
>
> If you want an EFIS upgrade, then this path gives you a lot of value for, I think,
the least cost. If you do not want an EFIS upgrade, then a stand alone Tt-22
or -31 adds about $400 to the cost for ADSB-out. You will need to compare
total in/out costs to the UAT solutions, again look for a UAT that can read Garmin
ADSB+ format; or comes with its own inexpensive gps ( don't forget to add
in antenna and control costs).
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> Okay, now flak jacket on. IMHO the Skyview is only marginally acceptable for
actual IMC, because its attitude solution (horizon) requires accurate airspeed
data. Dynon recognized the issue, and a software upgrade attempts to flag bad
airspeed and revert to gps data. However, there is at least one report of a partial
pitot blockage, where the blockage was bad enough to generate incorrect
horizon data, but not bad enough to trigger the switch to gps data.
> I believe but am not certain that the turn coordinator bars continued to work
properly, so a really good pilot could squint and watch those bars while ignoring
the horizon. And/or, throw the switch to put the autopilot into stand alone
mode and use that. There are options, which is why I said "marginally". But
you must be aware of the possibility.
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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