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1. 12:13 PM - Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips (rvdave)
2. 01:17 PM - Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips (Bob Turner)
3. 01:31 PM - PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (Tim Olson)
4. 01:40 PM - Re: RV14-List: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (Carl Froehlich)
5. 02:32 PM - Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (David Maib)
6. 03:48 PM - Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (Bob Turner)
7. 04:24 PM - Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (Bob Leffler)
8. 04:43 PM - Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips (Rick Lark)
9. 04:56 PM - Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell (Bob Turner)
10. 05:03 PM - Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips (Jesse Saint)
11. 05:18 PM - Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips ()
12. 06:07 PM - Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
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Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
I did nothing, in case I want to get in there for inspection, maintenance, etc.
Not impossible to remove if you smooth/cover the joint with fiberglass, just
more work.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
this one will go there.
As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
for Van's, and have more oil flow.
Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
would push me in one direction or the other?
I love pictures, if you have any, too.
Tim
RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
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| Subject: | Re: RV14-List: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
Two planes (RV-8A and RV-10) with the PCU500X and they have been flawless. I got
both via a group buy on Van's Air Force so price was less than the Hartzell.
You might want to call a couple of prop/governor overhaul shops and get their opinion
as I have heard second hand they prefer the PCU5000X.
Carl
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRv10.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV14-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
>
> Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
> that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
> this one will go there.
>
> As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
> what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
> out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
> my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
> So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
>
> For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
> of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
> comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
> sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
> I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
> for Van's, and have more oil flow.
>
> Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
> gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
> They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
>
> Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
> together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
> at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
> for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
> I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
> have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
> would push me in one direction or the other?
>
> I love pictures, if you have any, too.
>
> Tim
> RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
> RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
I got my PCU 5000X through a group buy at VAF, too. 7 years and a bit over 700
hours it has been flawless. I would not hesitate to install one.
David Maib
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
> that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
> this one will go there.
>
> As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
> what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
> out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
> my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
> So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
>
> For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
> of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
> comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
> sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
> I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
> for Van's, and have more oil flow.
>
> Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
> gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
> They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
>
> Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
> together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
> at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
> for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
> I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
> have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
> would push me in one direction or the other?
>
> I love pictures, if you have any, too.
>
> Tim
> RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
> RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
I think that, generally speaking, governors are important in the sense that a failure
is bad. Consequently, they tend to be built as bullet proof as possible,
so it would be rare that one was "really better" than another, unless there
is a fit problem with baffling, etc.
I put the Hartzell governor (sorry, I don't have the model number handy) on my
IO-540/RV-10, and it has been flawless, just as I would hope. It is very easy
to move the clocking of the arm around, if that is what you were asking.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
I have a Hartzell S-1-32 on my RV-10. I've not had any issues with the governor.
I did have to get a slightly longer arm to work with the per the plans hole
on the baffle ramp.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell
Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do that, but the RV-14
forum doesn't get any posts so at least this one will go there.
As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking what in builders lifetimes
is "forever" getting their FWF kit out. I need to get some things fitted
up, now that I have my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but I hear conflicting
things like the S-1 series were developed for Van's, and have more oil flow.
Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper gear ratio and
model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit together, they don't
have stock of the governors for the IO-390 at all. I'd like to get one ordered,
and can get a PCU5000X for about the same price as the Hartzell's that
Van's sells.
I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who have a Hartzell. Does anyone
have any info on either that would push me in one direction or the other?
I love pictures, if you have any, too.
Tim
RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though),
and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder etc,
it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and
was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but
I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
In hind sight, I won't do it again.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:10 PM, rvdave <rv610dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 for sale
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447306#447306
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
rleffler wrote:
> I have a Hartzell S-1-32 on my RV-10. I've not had any issues with the governor.
I did have to get a slightly longer arm to work with the per the plans
hole on the baffle ramp.
>
> bob
>
> --
Strangely enough I did not need to change the arm. Maybe Vans switched to a longer
arm? I don't know.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
The fairings look really nice of they are very well faired in. We have never used
cloth, just micro and sanding smooth. If they aren't going to be faired very
well, it is best to leave them alone and just paint. They don't look bad unfaired.
They do look bad if they are faired but not done very well.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though),
and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder
etc, it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and
was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but
I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
> In hind sight, I won't do it again.
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:10 PM, rvdave <rv610dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 for sale
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447306#447306
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
One of two ways. Either use the method described in the plans to create a
nice even seam, or glass over 'em. Properly executed, both look nice. The
method in the manual is probably less time consuming assuming your tips fit
well in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
From: rvdave
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips
Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the
joint between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion?
Fiberglass cloth and finish as one?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Tim is 100% correct. We are solely responsible for our flights. I scratched a Y/E
day a week ago because the atmospheric conditions were not up to my standards
(smoke). I have lost 4 friends to stupid (avoidable) accidents. I also saw
the sobering sight of four young people going up in smoke after overloading in
high/hot conditions in a 172 some years ago.
Flying is an inherently risky activity - the risk can be dramatically reduced with
common sense, serious approach to the risks, attention to the weather, and
an appreciation of your limitations and the limitations of the aircraft.
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See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
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