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1. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (Don McDonald)
2. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (Tim Olson)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (rv10flyer)
4. 12:17 PM - link 122WK (David)
5. 05:44 PM - Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (woxofswa)
6. 06:41 PM - Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia (rv10flyer)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
All you will be able to mutter is WOW.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id 150916X8002
8&key=1
Don McDonald
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
Wayne,
Sorry I'm going to write this without educating myself by reading that ntsb
report to refresh my memory, but I would even say that the Ritter one was
likely avoidable.=C2- From what I remember, he wasn't a young person, and
he
was not feeling well that day and decided to fly home from a fly-in not
feeling well.=C2- We all know that you're not supposed to get in the plan
e when
you're not in condition to fly.=C2- There are days that just having a col
d,
even
though you're not medicated, is reason to ground yourself.=C2- Heck, I ev
en
take a leak in flight, any time I even have an inkling I may need to, befor
e
I attempt an instrument approach in actual conditions.=C2- So to me, from
what I remember about that crash, it was likely avoidable.=C2- My guess i
s that
it was a medical issue, that nobody will ever know the answer to.
That is speculation, yes, but I don't think there was anything in the
crash that
pointed to the airplane, and there were things that pointed to health.
So I figure that one still at least in my mind, goes to pilot error in
some way.
It's funny, years and years ago when reading about crashes in magazines, I
noticed that they almost always started the sentence with the
official accident cause as "the pilot failed..."=C2- and at first, I was
kind of
offended by that.=C2- I mean, why always blame the pilot?=C2- But then
I got
more flying experience, and I realized that it really *IS* that way.=C2-
You are
ultimately 100% responsible for the safety of your flight...not 99.=C2- Y
ou can
blame it on a gust of crosswind, or anything like that.=C2- Somewhere alo
ng the
way, the pilot failed.=C2- So now I've turned a full 180 and I basically
feel that
every accident is avoidable, if the pilot just does his job correctly.
I'll happily give a pass to the guy who has an engine out over the ocean,
or the Canadian/Alaskan wilderness, but in general, there is almost always
at least a good possibility of making a flight survivable.
All this jibber jabber reminds me of what was maybe my first IFR flight
after
getting my instrument ticket.=C2- I took a buddy for a short 15 mile IFR
flight,
and within a few seconds of getting into the clouds, a little of the
good kind
of paranoia came over me.=C2- I remember vividly thinking to myself ... "
Well,
you got yourself into this...you took off, and now you're in it, and it
doesn't
matter that you're talking to ATC and it's a short flight....it's 100% up t
o
yourself to get this plane back on the ground with everyone alive."
It was pretty sobering, because at that point in time, I wasn't so sure
that even
though I had the ticket, I had the stuff.=C2- It was just one of those
humbling
times that I appreciated having.
Anyway, that is why I included the Ritter flight in the net that I cast
when I said
they were ALL pilot caused.=C2- I think it was just a poor choice to depa
rt.
Tim
On 9/18/2015 9:48 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I too do not feel cg or weight was the issue. I depart at gross wt and ne
ar our aft limit on landing. No problem controlling it. Sensitive yes. I wo
uld think that a severe aft cg problem would have had consequences at rotat
ion, not 3.5 miles East. I am betting weather and a very thin waxing cresce
nt moon had a factor in the loss of control. He flew towards town, the brig
hest area around. Time will tell. Flying without a certificate proves poor
ADM to begin with, so it was just a matter of time. Unfortunately, we now h
ave thousands more around the country that hate those dangerous little airp
lanes.
>
> Tim, we did have one fatal in Texas that was undetermined...Mr. Ritter. T
he rest I agree on.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id 080317X0
0316&ntsbno=DFW08LA081&akey=1
>
> --------
> Wayne G.
>
>
S -
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Well, I guess that confirms some things people have been
scratching their heads about. Sounds like there wasn't
much left of anything to even look at, let alone learn
from. If you can't learn from the OBVIOUS issues with the
flight, you likely shouldn't be flying airplanes....even
if you do or don't have a pilots certificate.
If you're like the many tens of thousands of responsible
pilots out there, this particular case should give you
nothing to worry about...not many people would attempt
such things, but Darwin takes care of those who do.
Tim
do not archive
On 9/23/2015 10:09 AM, Don McDonald wrote:
> All you will be able to mutter is WOW.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id 150916X80028&key=1
>
> Don McDonald
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Field elevation 200'. Ceiling was 2100' near the time of the accident. That would
put him in and out of the clouds, possibly in combination with aft CG. Also
interested in toxicology report. Wonder if he flew his July 2015 KDAB IFR trips
with an IFR guy in the right seat?
Yes Don...Wow!
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Wayne G.
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NTSB link.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
I'm sure that there were redeeming and wonderful qualities in each of those who
perished. I grieve with their families. Such a sad and tragic shame.
However,
If the reports are true, then this was criminal negligence if not outright M****r/S*****e,
and unfortunately we all pay in the end.
If we don't want the Feds to police us, then we must police ourselves and we can't
do that by sugarcoating idiotic behavior.
God bless the grieving. God bless us all.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Unfortunately, guys like that stay under the radar, don't hang out on Matronics/Pilots
of America/VAF like we do. They don't fly or associate with us that play
by the rules. That makes it difficult to police them. Maybe someone could match
the aircraft registration/medical/ppc database up and check into those that
don't match. I know all three of mine are in order.
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Wayne G.
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