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4. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Carl Froehlich)
5. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Linn Walters)
6. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Bill Watson)
7. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Pascal)
8. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Bill Watson)
9. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Kelly McMullen)
10. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Bob Leffler)
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12. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors (Bill Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
That's a good rule and one worth following.
I just can't follow it. It's almost always too hot to even think about
taxiing around with the doors shut in the NC hot seasons. In KEYW FL
with humidity, heat and sun, it can be dangerous even with1500 RPMs
blowing vent air directly on the face and body.
I accept that the hinges may be fragile but I don't see any sign of them
being fragile relative to be open when taxiing. It didn't feel right
when I first tried it with the minor flopping around and stuff but I've
gotten use to it and haven't found any cracks yet.
Regarding the 'flying off the hinges in flight' issue. My original
build includes aftermarket pin blocks along with the full Vans
electrical check system. Along with all that, this pilot visually
checks front and rear door seating before every takeoff. But that's
still short of foolproof enough for a version 1 door latch so I just
added the Plane Around 90 degree retrofit kit. I already had a flush
latch and door lock.
The retrofit kit is wonderful when compared to the version 1 Vans latch
(w/o later mod). Previously I had trouble using the flush latches to
fully close and lock the doors. I never let a passenger operate the
door latch without my hands on it. Now everything works perfectly and
easily. And though I will continue to visually check the door seating
on each takeoff, I haven't been able to close the door and latch without
engaging both pins no matter how I or my passenger try to screw it up.
Great kit that! Now I just have to refinish the interior of the door.
On 11/3/2015 7:26 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I realize this is not a flying situation, but the doors were known for
> flying off their hinges in the air when the rear wasnt completely
> engaging. My rule is I check the doors are shut and secured before
> starting and they dont open again until the engine is shut off. The
> vents provide plenty of air for me in So Cal during the middle of
> Summer while the engine is running.
> Pascal
> *From:* Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:07 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
>
> Be careful. The door hinges are fragile. I have a rule that if the
> engine is running or if the plane is unattended and not in a hangar,
> the doors are shut and locked.
>
> Carl
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
>
> I agree on the straps. Having just flown around the tropics a bit, I
> found that the strap combined with fresh struts allow me to engine
> start and taxi with 1 or both doors fully open. The straps allow them
> to be pulled down while belted in. The also allow an arm to be hooked
> in the strap so the door can be held close but with the prop blast
> keeping a 3 - 6 inch gap. All very useful here in NC let alone south FL.
>
> Bill "flying with fresh struts and new latches" Watson
>
> On 11/2/2015 5:07 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>
> Strap is nice to let the door up, and pull the door down..(while
> firmly sitting in the seat).. not sure I would like going back to
> not having the strap.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Bill;
I was speaking more from my perspective of having 2 young daughters that
I have at least once been distracted enough to miss a Checklist item,
and specifically when hot and everyone tends to want to rush to get up
in the air. I simply need both hands on mixture and flightstick and
radios to not want to worry about the doors and missing any items on the
Checklist. No way I would trust anyone to hold the door open while
taxiing,
Although we both have mild winters where we live, maybe a good project
for you this
winter-http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=73537
077?KEYS=pascal?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=785?SERIAL=0813279166XXX?
SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Just need scrap (maybe time for a new cooler ) I happen to have an old
oil cooler that came with my engine so most parts were available.
Only issue with this is getting ice, but most FBO=99s I stop at
tend to have ice, don=99t need much just enough to blow colder air
than the OAT.
Pascal
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
That's a good rule and one worth following.
I just can't follow it. It's almost always too hot to even think about
taxiing around with the doors shut in the NC hot seasons. In KEYW FL
with humidity, heat and sun, it can be dangerous even with1500 RPMs
blowing vent air directly on the face and body.
I accept that the hinges may be fragile but I don't see any sign of them
being fragile relative to be open when taxiing. It didn't feel right
when I first tried it with the minor flopping around and stuff but I've
gotten use to it and haven't found any cracks yet.
Regarding the 'flying off the hinges in flight' issue. My original
build includes aftermarket pin blocks along with the full Vans
electrical check system. Along with all that, this pilot visually
checks front and rear door seating before every takeoff. But that's
still short of foolproof enough for a version 1 door latch so I just
added the Plane Around 90 degree retrofit kit. I already had a flush
latch and door lock.
The retrofit kit is wonderful when compared to the version 1 Vans latch
(w/o later mod). Previously I had trouble using the flush latches to
fully close and lock the doors. I never let a passenger operate the
door latch without my hands on it. Now everything works perfectly and
easily. And though I will continue to visually check the door seating
on each takeoff, I haven't been able to close the door and latch without
engaging both pins no matter how I or my passenger try to screw it up.
Great kit that! Now I just have to refinish the interior of the door.
On 11/3/2015 7:26 PM, Pascal wrote:
I realize this is not a flying situation, but the doors were known for
flying off their hinges in the air when the rear wasn=99t
completely engaging. My rule is I check the doors are shut and secured
before starting and they don=99t open again until the engine is
shut off. The vents provide plenty of air for me in So Cal during the
middle of Summer while the engine is running.
Pascal
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:07 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Be careful. The door hinges are fragile. I have a rule that if the
engine is running or if the plane is unattended and not in a hangar, the
doors are shut and locked.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
I agree on the straps. Having just flown around the tropics a bit, I
found that the strap combined with fresh struts allow me to engine start
and taxi with 1 or both doors fully open. The straps allow them to be
pulled down while belted in. The also allow an arm to be hooked in the
strap so the door can be held close but with the prop blast keeping a 3
- 6 inch gap. All very useful here in NC let alone south FL.
Bill "flying with fresh struts and new latches" Watson
On 11/2/2015 5:07 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
Strap is nice to let the door up, and pull the door down..(while
firmly sitting in the seat).. not sure I would like going back to not
having the strap.
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Hey Bill,
I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop still.
If you=99re interested, I=99ll go look. I=99m in
Greenville, SC ... not that far for a =9310, come see us!
Later, =93 Lew
From: Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Bill;
I was speaking more from my perspective of having 2 young daughters that
I have at least once been distracted enough to miss a Checklist item,
and specifically when hot and everyone tends to want to rush to get up
in the air. I simply need both hands on mixture and flightstick and
radios to not want to worry about the doors and missing any items on the
Checklist. No way I would trust anyone to hold the door open while
taxiing,
Although we both have mild winters where we live, maybe a good project
for you this
winter-http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=73537
077?KEYS=pascal?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=785?SERIAL=0813279166XXX?
SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Just need scrap (maybe time for a new cooler ) I happen to have an old
oil cooler that came with my engine so most parts were available.
Only issue with this is getting ice, but most FBO=99s I stop at
tend to have ice, don=99t need much just enough to blow colder air
than the OAT.
Pascal
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
That's a good rule and one worth following.
I just can't follow it. It's almost always too hot to even think about
taxiing around with the doors shut in the NC hot seasons. In KEYW FL
with humidity, heat and sun, it can be dangerous even with1500 RPMs
blowing vent air directly on the face and body.
I accept that the hinges may be fragile but I don't see any sign of them
being fragile relative to be open when taxiing. It didn't feel right
when I first tried it with the minor flopping around and stuff but I've
gotten use to it and haven't found any cracks yet.
Regarding the 'flying off the hinges in flight' issue. My original
build includes aftermarket pin blocks along with the full Vans
electrical check system. Along with all that, this pilot visually
checks front and rear door seating before every takeoff. But that's
still short of foolproof enough for a version 1 door latch so I just
added the Plane Around 90 degree retrofit kit. I already had a flush
latch and door lock.
The retrofit kit is wonderful when compared to the version 1 Vans latch
(w/o later mod). Previously I had trouble using the flush latches to
fully close and lock the doors. I never let a passenger operate the
door latch without my hands on it. Now everything works perfectly and
easily. And though I will continue to visually check the door seating
on each takeoff, I haven't been able to close the door and latch without
engaging both pins no matter how I or my passenger try to screw it up.
Great kit that! Now I just have to refinish the interior of the door.
On 11/3/2015 7:26 PM, Pascal wrote:
I realize this is not a flying situation, but the doors were known for
flying off their hinges in the air when the rear wasn=99t
completely engaging. My rule is I check the doors are shut and secured
before starting and they don=99t open again until the engine is
shut off. The vents provide plenty of air for me in So Cal during the
middle of Summer while the engine is running.
Pascal
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:07 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Be careful. The door hinges are fragile. I have a rule that if the
engine is running or if the plane is unattended and not in a hangar, the
doors are shut and locked.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
I agree on the straps. Having just flown around the tropics a bit, I
found that the strap combined with fresh struts allow me to engine start
and taxi with 1 or both doors fully open. The straps allow them to be
pulled down while belted in. The also allow an arm to be hooked in the
strap so the door can be held close but with the prop blast keeping a 3
- 6 inch gap. All very useful here in NC let alone south FL.
Bill "flying with fresh struts and new latches" Watson
On 11/2/2015 5:07 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
Strap is nice to let the door up, and pull the door down..(while
firmly sitting in the seat).. not sure I would like going back to not
having the strap.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Date: 11/03/15
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
I again urge caution. While you may have successfully tested taxi with
the doors open, the =9Cother airplane=9D prop blast might be
waiting to bite. Same for leaving the doors open or closed but not
locked on the ramp when the plane is unattended.
Just did a run out west this summer to Albuquerque and Phoenix. While
warm, once the engine was started there was adequate cockpit ventilation
with the doors shut and locked to make things tolerable.
Carl (been there =93 done that and the hinges snapped like dry
twigs)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
That's a good rule and one worth following.
I just can't follow it. It's almost always too hot to even think about
taxiing around with the doors shut in the NC hot seasons. In KEYW FL
with humidity, heat and sun, it can be dangerous even with1500 RPMs
blowing vent air directly on the face and body.
I accept that the hinges may be fragile but I don't see any sign of them
being fragile relative to be open when taxiing. It didn't feel right
when I first tried it with the minor flopping around and stuff but I've
gotten use to it and haven't found any cracks yet.
Regarding the 'flying off the hinges in flight' issue. My original
build includes aftermarket pin blocks along with the full Vans
electrical check system. Along with all that, this pilot visually
checks front and rear door seating before every takeoff. But that's
still short of foolproof enough for a version 1 door latch so I just
added the Plane Around 90 degree retrofit kit. I already had a flush
latch and door lock.
The retrofit kit is wonderful when compared to the version 1 Vans latch
(w/o later mod). Previously I had trouble using the flush latches to
fully close and lock the doors. I never let a passenger operate the
door latch without my hands on it. Now everything works perfectly and
easily. And though I will continue to visually check the door seating
on each takeoff, I haven't been able to close the door and latch without
engaging both pins no matter how I or my passenger try to screw it up.
Great kit that! Now I just have to refinish the interior of the door.
On 11/3/2015 7:26 PM, Pascal wrote:
I realize this is not a flying situation, but the doors were known for
flying off their hinges in the air when the rear wasn=99t
completely engaging. My rule is I check the doors are shut and secured
before starting and they don=99t open again until the engine is
shut off. The vents provide plenty of air for me in So Cal during the
middle of Summer while the engine is running.
Pascal
From: Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Be careful. The door hinges are fragile. I have a rule that if the
engine is running or if the plane is unattended and not in a hangar, the
doors are shut and locked.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
I agree on the straps. Having just flown around the tropics a bit, I
found that the strap combined with fresh struts allow me to engine start
and taxi with 1 or both doors fully open. The straps allow them to be
pulled down while belted in. The also allow an arm to be hooked in the
strap so the door can be held close but with the prop blast keeping a 3
- 6 inch gap. All very useful here in NC let alone south FL.
Bill "flying with fresh struts and new latches" Watson
On 11/2/2015 5:07 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
Strap is nice to let the door up, and pull the door down..(while firmly
sitting in the seat).. not sure I would like going back to not having
the strap.
_____
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
I've been following this thread with much interest, and have some
questions ....
Is the failure of the hinges caused by the door in motion coming against
the hinge travel .... such as caused by a gust of wind or prop blast on
an unrestrained door?
How about a door partially open and restrained?
I envision the strap on my door .... used to close it while seated ....
with snaps ... think boat tarps ... strategically placed so that it
serves as a safety to restrain the door in case of an opening in flight
and also to hold the door partially open for ventilation.
I have the replacement 600N gas struts.
Linn .... painting tail feathers, pants and fairings
On 11/4/2015 2:31 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> I again urge caution. While you may have successfully tested taxi
> with the doors open, the other airplane prop blast might be waiting
> to bite. Same for leaving the doors open or closed but not locked on
> the ramp when the plane is unattended.
>
> Just did a run out west this summer to Albuquerque and Phoenix. While
> warm, once the engine was started there was adequate cockpit
> ventilation with the doors shut and locked to make things tolerable.
>
> Carl (been there done that and the hinges snapped like dry twigs)
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:49 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
>
> That's a good rule and one worth following.
>
> I just can't follow it. It's almost always too hot to even think
> about taxiing around with the doors shut in the NC hot seasons. In
> KEYW FL with humidity, heat and sun, it can be dangerous even with1500
> RPMs blowing vent air directly on the face and body.
>
> I accept that the hinges may be fragile but I don't see any sign of
> them being fragile relative to be open when taxiing. It didn't feel
> right when I first tried it with the minor flopping around and stuff
> but I've gotten use to it and haven't found any cracks yet.
>
> Regarding the 'flying off the hinges in flight' issue. My original
> build includes aftermarket pin blocks along with the full Vans
> electrical check system. Along with all that, this pilot visually
> checks front and rear door seating before every takeoff. But that's
> still short of foolproof enough for a version 1 door latch so I just
> added the Plane Around 90 degree retrofit kit. I already had a flush
> latch and door lock.
>
> The retrofit kit is wonderful when compared to the version 1 Vans
> latch (w/o later mod). Previously I had trouble using the flush
> latches to fully close and lock the doors. I never let a passenger
> operate the door latch without my hands on it. Now everything works
> perfectly and easily. And though I will continue to visually check the
> door seating on each takeoff, I haven't been able to close the door
> and latch without engaging both pins no matter how I or my passenger
> try to screw it up. Great kit that! Now I just have to refinish the
> interior of the door.
>
> On 11/3/2015 7:26 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I realize this is not a flying situation, but the doors were known
> for flying off their hinges in the air when the rear wasnt
> completely engaging. My rule is I check the doors are shut and
> secured before starting and they dont open again until the engine
> is shut off. The vents provide plenty of air for me in So Cal
> during the middle of Summer while the engine is running.
>
> Pascal
>
> *From:*Carl Froehlich <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:07 PM
>
> *To:*rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Subject:*RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
>
> Be careful. The door hinges are fragile. I have a rule that if
> the engine is running or if the plane is unattended and not in a
> hangar, the doors are shut and locked.
>
> Carl
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Watson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
>
> I agree on the straps. Having just flown around the tropics a
> bit, I found that the strap combined with fresh struts allow me to
> engine start and taxi with 1 or both doors fully open. The straps
> allow them to be pulled down while belted in. The also allow an
> arm to be hooked in the strap so the door can be held close but
> with the prop blast keeping a 3 - 6 inch gap. All very useful
> here in NC let alone south FL.
>
> Bill "flying with fresh struts and new latches" Watson
>
> On 11/2/2015 5:07 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>
> Strap is nice to let the door up, and pull the door
> down..(while firmly sitting in the seat).. not sure I would
> like going back to not having the strap.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> Date: 11/03/15
>
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Hey Lew!
I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or 2
times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
started that RV7 project.
Bill "wondering what you are building now" Watson
On 11/4/2015 11:46 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
> Hey Bill,
> I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop
> still. If youre interested, Ill go look. Im in Greenville, SC ...
> not that far for a 10, come see us!
> Later, Lew
>
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
LOL! yes Bill I know that feeling all too well with three women in the
plane. never understood why they need suitcases for a weekend trip?
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Hey Lew!
I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or 2
times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
started that RV7 project.
Bill "wondering what you are building now" Watson
On 11/4/2015 11:46 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
Hey Bill,
I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop still.
If you=99re interested, I=99ll go look. I=99m in
Greenville, SC ... not that far for a =9310, come see us!
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Well Carl, I'm going to really give your points some serious consideration.
I've been guilty as recently as last week of leaving the doors open on a
public ramp just so things weren't so hot after a pit stop. That's just
plain stupid in retrospect.
Before re-fitting my door latches, I often left a door closed but
unlatched sitting on the ramp. That practice will stop now.
But I must have really poor cockpit ventilation or something. I've done
Albuquerque and Phoenix in season (not summer) and well, I just can't
imagine 5 minutes taxiing around with it all sealed up. Typically it
would be with one or both doors open about 6" with straps looped around
our arms. Now with fresh struts I found that just keeping them wide
open worked well on a calm day. They weren't flopping around like they
did with the weaker struts and the ventilation was just wonderful... but
prop/jet blast could be a risk as would strong winds or a thermal.
I'll always remember my first landing in Scottsdale. A windshield
reflective cover was not part of my equipment yet. After a couple of
hours in the sun a number of interior items fell off, delaminated or
otherwise self destructed in the solar heat blast. Just part of the
extended test period....
Bill "thinking a snapped off door would ruin my year" Watson
On 11/4/2015 2:31 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> I again urge caution. While you may have successfully tested taxi
> with the doors open, the other airplane prop blast might be waiting
> to bite. Same for leaving the doors open or closed but not locked on
> the ramp when the plane is unattended.
>
> Just did a run out west this summer to Albuquerque and Phoenix. While
> warm, once the engine was started there was adequate cockpit
> ventilation with the doors shut and locked to make things tolerable.
>
> Carl (been there done that and the hinges snapped like dry twigs)
>
>
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Bill,
You just need to get going on the RV-10 XL upgrade. Say a 1 ft plug at
the empennage attach to the cabin for bigger baggage compartment. The
extra leverage would allow for upgrading the engine to 300 hp versions
of the engine. Then get someone to figure what improvements were needed
for the tail feathers to allow upping the Vne, so that a turbo could be
mounted, allowing keeping 75% up to the flight levels with 200kt cruise
without burning a barrel of 100LL/hour. Oh and reverse the main gear,
and mount a tail wheel, while removing the nose gear, to reduce drag. It
would be just a bit faster than your old Maule.
On 11/4/2015 7:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Hey Lew!
>
> I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or 2
> times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
>
> Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
> would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
> load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
> started that RV7 project.
>
> Bill "wondering what you are building now" Watson
>
> On 11/4/2015 11:46 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
>> Hey Bill,
>> I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop
>> still. If youre interested, Ill go look. Im in Greenville, SC
>> ... not that far for a 10, come see us!
>> Later, Lew
>>
>
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Lew,
I=99m heading down to SPA tomorrow to take Don Rivera=99s
class. I=99m not sure how much free time I=99ll have after
class.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Bill,
You just need to get going on the RV-10 XL upgrade. Say a 1 ft plug at
the empennage attach to the cabin for bigger baggage compartment. The
extra leverage would allow for upgrading the engine to 300 hp versions
of the engine. Then get someone to figure what improvements were needed
for the tail feathers to allow upping the Vne, so that a turbo could be
mounted, allowing keeping 75% up to the flight levels with 200kt cruise
without burning a barrel of 100LL/hour. Oh and reverse the main gear,
and mount a tail wheel, while removing the nose gear, to reduce drag. It
would be just a bit faster than your old Maule.
On 11/4/2015 7:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
Hey Lew!
I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or 2
times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
started that RV7 project.
Bill "wondering what you are building now" Watson
On 11/4/2015 11:46 AM, lewgall@charter.net <mailto:lewgall@charter.net>
wrote:
Hey Bill,
I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop still.
If you=99re interested, I=99ll go look. I=99m in
Greenville, SC ... not that far for a =9310, come see us!
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Hey Bill & Bob,
A bit off the topic now. I am retiring from my 40 year career as a
marriage and family therapist at the end of December ... so that
I=99ll have more time to work my ass off on planes, and now boats.
Edwin McCain (singer, who has a passion for restoring boats =93
did a 6 segment series =9CFlipping Ships=9D for Animal
Planet) has temporarily high jacked me to do fiberglass restoration for
his projects. He was also an RV pilot and had heard of my glass work.
I may have to go back to work to rest up!
I am still looking for a local pilot who wants to hire me to help build
a =93 10. I have collected tail feathers/empennage, quick build
wings, cowl, and various other pieces. I have no interest in building
to sell =93 especially with recent liability issues. And I hate
that now there=99s this nagging concern of =9Cnet
casting=9D law suits that may ruin my passion for building these
beautiful birds.
>From everything I hear, you will really enjoy Don=99s class and
come away with much valuable information and experience. I will not be
available tomorrow, but should be in the shop from Fri. through the
weekend. We=99ve been dealing with almost daily rain here since
the middle of Sept. with no end in the near future.
I am kept busy doing repair work (a LOT of wheel pants) on the planes
I=99ve helped build. This weekend, I=99m redoing the air
box on a =93 8 where the filter is eating into the glass. The
owner has eliminated the emergency air door, so I=99m thinking
I=99ll make a metal plate for the floor of the air box with no
fasteners in the inner circumference of the filter. He=99s had
some rivets work out and get sucked through the engine from the patch he
created when he eliminated the door ... not good.
Later, =93 Lew
do not archive
From: Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Lew,
I=99m heading down to SPA tomorrow to take Don Rivera=99s
class. I=99m not sure how much free time I=99ll have after
class.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors
Bill,
You just need to get going on the RV-10 XL upgrade. Say a 1 ft plug at
the empennage attach to the cabin for bigger baggage compartment. The
extra leverage would allow for upgrading the engine to 300 hp versions
of the engine. Then get someone to figure what improvements were needed
for the tail feathers to allow upping the Vne, so that a turbo could be
mounted, allowing keeping 75% up to the flight levels with 200kt cruise
without burning a barrel of 100LL/hour. Oh and reverse the main gear,
and mount a tail wheel, while removing the nose gear, to reduce drag. It
would be just a bit faster than your old Maule.
On 11/4/2015 7:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
Hey Lew!
I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or 2
times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
started that RV7 project.
Bill "wondering what you are building now" Watson
On 11/4/2015 11:46 AM, lewgall@charter.net wrote:
Hey Bill,
I think I have one of these coolers/fans/pump, etc. in the shop
still. If you=99re interested, I=99ll go look. I=99m
in Greenville, SC ... not that far for a =9310, come see us!
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Better Gas Strut for Doors |
Ha! A RV10 XL, I like it. But you know, the current design flies so
darn well I'd settle for an enormously bigger cargo door like the Maule.
...But that would probably require adding some welded tube steel
structure, the only thing the '10 is missing.
On 11/4/2015 9:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Bill,
> You just need to get going on the RV-10 XL upgrade. Say a 1 ft plug at
> the empennage attach to the cabin for bigger baggage compartment. The
> extra leverage would allow for upgrading the engine to 300 hp versions
> of the engine. Then get someone to figure what improvements were
> needed for the tail feathers to allow upping the Vne, so that a turbo
> could be mounted, allowing keeping 75% up to the flight levels with
> 200kt cruise without burning a barrel of 100LL/hour. Oh and reverse
> the main gear, and mount a tail wheel, while removing the nose gear,
> to reduce drag. It would be just a bit faster than your old Maule.
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:15 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>> Hey Lew!
>>
>> I keep forgetting you are in in Greenville... we fly in to KGMU 1 or
>> 2 times a year to see friends. Next time I'll try to look you up.
>>
>> Thinking back to our last trips though, I'm at a loss as to where I
>> would put such a cooler given either the full seats or/or full cargo
>> load we seem to always be hauling around. I'm really glad I never
>> started that RV7 project.
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