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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts (Werner Schneider)
2. 07:51 AM - Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts (Jae Chang)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts (Pascal)
4. 02:04 PM - Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts (Bruce Hoppe)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts |
So we have 3 different lengths now (and forces):
Bruce Hoppe
A1 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on one end
A2 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on other end
B0N0F5O-100-247/XXXN Gas Spring 4"(100mm) Stroke 10"(247mm) Extended
Length with 580 newton force less then 40$ each what did you pay for the
fittings?
Bill Watson
A1A1F5O-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H
Linn Walters
E2A1F5O-100-290/600N
denominations, the first 4 letter/numbers are the 2 Eyelets
-A1 is width of the eyelet 10mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 20mm/16mm
-A2 is width of the eyelet 18mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 25mm/NA
-B0/N0 is none (that is why Bruce did order them separate (and
maybe why his strut shows 40mm less?)
-E2 is width 5mm (same as Van's), for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 23mm/16mm (why Linns strut is 3 mm longer then Bills?)
F5O this is a normal strut vent in the end of the cylinder, strong
dampening on the end, rod is 8mm, cylinder is 19mm
-100 distance the shaft moves 100mm/4"
-247/287/290 this is the mounting length center to center of the
eyelets (or length of the assembly without thread length) (Van's has
about 297 in my kit)
/XXX force in Newton
So I assume Bruce assembly length being around the same then Bills and
Linn's is 3mm more.
Bruce why did you choose that 18mm width eyelet on one side and Linn you
the 5mm width; anywhere this givens an advantage?
Cheers Werner (fitting canopy next doors)
On 25.11.2015 21:07, Jae Chang wrote:
>
> Nice. i got a call back from a Bansbach engineer. He told me that the
> 5 in A1A1F50 indicates "normal" speed and normal damping on the last
> 10mm of stroke. Damping only works if the rod is pointed down on full
> extension.
>
> Bill, can you confirm whether you can observe the above? IE, can you
> observe that the strut slows down in the last 10mm of full extension?
>
> Jae
>
> On 11/25/2015 9:04 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>> I recently bought replacement struts from Bansbach as well. The
>> original Vans struts still worked but one door started coming down if
>> the wind hit it wrong. I have a flush latch, aftermarket center cam,
>> lock, upholstery, etc - not light.
>>
>> On 3/9/15 I purchased (2) A1A1F50-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for
>> $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H.
>>
>> They installed easily (i.e. throw seemed to exactly fit what was
>> needed - no compression required.
>>
>> They now work just right in all respects.
>>
>> Just another data point.
>>
>> Bill "on a TG family visitation mission" Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts |
I would add the 2 from Vans as well.
Not sure on the specifics on the 500N one. The 600N "HD" version is
Stabilus, Lift-O-Mat part number 2218LP.
I have installed the Vans versions rod up, rod down, etc. No difference.
As far as i can tell, no damping on either end. I have no idea why they
would carry a non-damping version.
If anyone has another data point on damping on their versions, it would
be great to hear. I do have a light stock door without upholstery, a
center cam, etc.
Jae
On 12/3/2015 3:41 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>
> So we have 3 different lengths now (and forces):
>
> Bruce Hoppe
> A1 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on one end
> A2 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on other end
> B0N0F5O-100-247/XXXN Gas Spring 4"(100mm) Stroke 10"(247mm) Extended
> Length with 580 newton force less then 40$ each what did you pay for
> the fittings?
>
> Bill Watson
> A1A1F5O-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H
>
> Linn Walters
> E2A1F5O-100-290/600N
>
> denominations, the first 4 letter/numbers are the 2 Eyelets
>
> -A1 is width of the eyelet 10mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
> the center 20mm/16mm
> -A2 is width of the eyelet 18mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
> the center 25mm/NA
> -B0/N0 is none (that is why Bruce did order them separate (and
> maybe why his strut shows 40mm less?)
> -E2 is width 5mm (same as Van's), for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length
> to the center 23mm/16mm (why Linns strut is 3 mm longer then Bills?)
>
> F5O this is a normal strut vent in the end of the cylinder,
> strong dampening on the end, rod is 8mm, cylinder is 19mm
> -100 distance the shaft moves 100mm/4"
> -247/287/290 this is the mounting length center to center of the
> eyelets (or length of the assembly without thread length) (Van's has
> about 297 in my kit)
> /XXX force in Newton
>
> So I assume Bruce assembly length being around the same then Bills and
> Linn's is 3mm more.
>
> Bruce why did you choose that 18mm width eyelet on one side and Linn
> you the 5mm width; anywhere this givens an advantage?
>
> Cheers Werner (fitting canopy next doors)
>
>
> On 25.11.2015 21:07, Jae Chang wrote:
>>
>> Nice. i got a call back from a Bansbach engineer. He told me that the
>> 5 in A1A1F50 indicates "normal" speed and normal damping on the last
>> 10mm of stroke. Damping only works if the rod is pointed down on full
>> extension.
>>
>> Bill, can you confirm whether you can observe the above? IE, can you
>> observe that the strut slows down in the last 10mm of full extension?
>>
>> Jae
>>
>> On 11/25/2015 9:04 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>> I recently bought replacement struts from Bansbach as well. The
>>> original Vans struts still worked but one door started coming down
>>> if the wind hit it wrong. I have a flush latch, aftermarket center
>>> cam, lock, upholstery, etc - not light.
>>>
>>> On 3/9/15 I purchased (2) A1A1F50-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for
>>> $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H.
>>>
>>> They installed easily (i.e. throw seemed to exactly fit what was
>>> needed - no compression required.
>>>
>>> They now work just right in all respects.
>>>
>>> Just another data point.
>>>
>>> Bill "on a TG family visitation mission" Watson
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts |
Werner;
I had the same question on the ends, but here is the response from Bansbach
on the difference between Bruce and Bill struts:
The 10017 (B0N0F5O-100-247/100) is the base part. We complete this assembly
by putting in the A1 fittings (Item 96102) and adjusting the force to make
the final part A1A1F50-100-287/XXXN. There is cost for the change of force
so the 100N could be anything you want including the 580N you requested.
Same with the fittings.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Schneider
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Heavy Duty Gas Struts
So we have 3 different lengths now (and forces):
Bruce Hoppe
A1 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on one end
A2 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on other end
B0N0F5O-100-247/XXXN Gas Spring 4"(100mm) Stroke 10"(247mm) Extended
Length with 580 newton force less then 40$ each what did you pay for the
fittings?
Bill Watson
A1A1F5O-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H
Linn Walters
E2A1F5O-100-290/600N
denominations, the first 4 letter/numbers are the 2 Eyelets
-A1 is width of the eyelet 10mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 20mm/16mm
-A2 is width of the eyelet 18mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 25mm/NA
-B0/N0 is none (that is why Bruce did order them separate (and
maybe why his strut shows 40mm less?)
-E2 is width 5mm (same as Van's), for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
the center 23mm/16mm (why Linns strut is 3 mm longer then Bills?)
F5O this is a normal strut vent in the end of the cylinder, strong
dampening on the end, rod is 8mm, cylinder is 19mm
-100 distance the shaft moves 100mm/4"
-247/287/290 this is the mounting length center to center of the
eyelets (or length of the assembly without thread length) (Van's has
about 297 in my kit)
/XXX force in Newton
So I assume Bruce assembly length being around the same then Bills and
Linn's is 3mm more.
Bruce why did you choose that 18mm width eyelet on one side and Linn you
the 5mm width; anywhere this givens an advantage?
Cheers Werner (fitting canopy next doors)
On 25.11.2015 21:07, Jae Chang wrote:
>
> Nice. i got a call back from a Bansbach engineer. He told me that the 5 in
> A1A1F50 indicates "normal" speed and normal damping on the last 10mm of
> stroke. Damping only works if the rod is pointed down on full extension.
>
> Bill, can you confirm whether you can observe the above? IE, can you
> observe that the strut slows down in the last 10mm of full extension?
>
> Jae
>
> On 11/25/2015 9:04 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>> I recently bought replacement struts from Bansbach as well. The original
>> Vans struts still worked but one door started coming down if the wind hit
>> it wrong. I have a flush latch, aftermarket center cam, lock,
>> upholstery, etc - not light.
>>
>> On 3/9/15 I purchased (2) A1A1F50-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89
>> plus $19.27 S&H.
>>
>> They installed easily (i.e. throw seemed to exactly fit what was needed -
>> no compression required.
>>
>> They now work just right in all respects.
>>
>> Just another data point.
>>
>> Bill "on a TG family visitation mission" Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Duty Gas Struts |
I reversed my gas springs this morning to be installed rod down as recommended
by Bansbach. I now have cushioning at the end of the opening stroke. With the
rod end connected to the door as specified by Vans, there is no cushioning at
the end of the opening stroke. It is noticeably better.
Also, with the stroke length I ordered, I was able to remove and reinstall the
gas springs without a problem because the door hinges are not quite at the end
of their travel when the gas spring is fully extended. Consequently, the hinges
are not seeing a load exerted by the gas spring when the doors are fully open
as was the case with the Vans supplied unit.
With the 130 lbs/580 newton gas spring, my doors stay shut until they are opened
3 to 5 inches (I did not measure it) and then they will lift open on their own.
Bruce Hoppe
Mobile: (517)703-4215
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> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
>
> Werner;
> I had the same question on the ends, but here is the response from Bansbach on
the difference between Bruce and Bill struts:
> The 10017 (B0N0F5O-100-247/100) is the base part. We complete this assembly by
putting in the A1 fittings (Item 96102) and adjusting the force to make the
final part A1A1F50-100-287/XXXN. There is cost for the change of force so the
100N could be anything you want including the 580N you requested. Same with the
fittings.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Werner Schneider
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:41 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Heavy Duty Gas Struts
>
>
> So we have 3 different lengths now (and forces):
>
> Bruce Hoppe
> A1 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on one end
> A2 M8 Hinge Eye End Fitting on other end
> B0N0F5O-100-247/XXXN Gas Spring 4"(100mm) Stroke 10"(247mm) Extended
> Length with 580 newton force less then 40$ each what did you pay for the
> fittings?
>
> Bill Watson
> A1A1F5O-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89 plus $19.27 S&H
>
> Linn Walters
> E2A1F5O-100-290/600N
>
> denominations, the first 4 letter/numbers are the 2 Eyelets
>
> -A1 is width of the eyelet 10mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
> the center 20mm/16mm
> -A2 is width of the eyelet 18mm, for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
> the center 25mm/NA
> -B0/N0 is none (that is why Bruce did order them separate (and
> maybe why his strut shows 40mm less?)
> -E2 is width 5mm (same as Van's), for an M8 screw (8.2mm) length to
> the center 23mm/16mm (why Linns strut is 3 mm longer then Bills?)
>
> F5O this is a normal strut vent in the end of the cylinder, strong
> dampening on the end, rod is 8mm, cylinder is 19mm
> -100 distance the shaft moves 100mm/4"
> -247/287/290 this is the mounting length center to center of the
> eyelets (or length of the assembly without thread length) (Van's has
> about 297 in my kit)
> /XXX force in Newton
>
> So I assume Bruce assembly length being around the same then Bills and
> Linn's is 3mm more.
>
> Bruce why did you choose that 18mm width eyelet on one side and Linn you
> the 5mm width; anywhere this givens an advantage?
>
> Cheers Werner (fitting canopy next doors)
>
>
>> On 25.11.2015 21:07, Jae Chang wrote:
>>
>> Nice. i got a call back from a Bansbach engineer. He told me that the 5 in A1A1F50
indicates "normal" speed and normal damping on the last 10mm of stroke.
Damping only works if the rod is pointed down on full extension.
>>
>> Bill, can you confirm whether you can observe the above? IE, can you observe
that the strut slows down in the last 10mm of full extension?
>>
>> Jae
>>
>>> On 11/25/2015 9:04 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>> I recently bought replacement struts from Bansbach as well. The original Vans
struts still worked but one door started coming down if the wind hit it wrong.
I have a flush latch, aftermarket center cam, lock, upholstery, etc - not
light.
>>>
>>> On 3/9/15 I purchased (2) A1A1F50-100-287/600N 10017y1 struts for $51.89 plus
$19.27 S&H.
>>>
>>> They installed easily (i.e. throw seemed to exactly fit what was needed - no
compression required.
>>>
>>> They now work just right in all respects.
>>>
>>> Just another data point.
>>>
>>> Bill "on a TG family visitation mission" Watson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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