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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Rick Lark)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (johngoodman)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (David Clifford)
5. 11:43 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Patrick Pulis)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Patrick Pulis)
7. 12:17 PM - RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Doc)
8. 01:05 PM - Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Kelly McMullen)
9. 02:19 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner)
10. 02:30 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Jesse Saint)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Jesse Saint)
12. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and balance (Carl Froehlich)
13. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Tim Olson)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Kelly McMullen)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Jesse Saint)
16. 05:47 PM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Rick Lark)
17. 05:47 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner)
18. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Don McDonald)
19. 10:50 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
With the wings on I jack it up from the tie down points.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Happy new year to you all.
>
> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off the
ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitting
of the wheel covers?
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
Patrick
I used around a 4 ' x10" piece of hardwood with a piece of carpet between
it and the fuse, and then a long stroke bottle jack to raise it. Then I
put car stands under the hardwood plank while I worked on the pants. Just
be sure the whole thing is stable. I did leave the nose wheel on the
garage floor while I worked on the mains.
Regards, Rick
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
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> My wings aren't attached Bob, otherwise a great idea.
>
> Warm regards and thanks.
>
> Patrick
>
> > On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:39, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I used wing jacks.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
> >>
> rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
> >>
> >> Happy new year to you all.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage
> off the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to
> enable fitting of the wheel covers?
> >>
> >> Thank you in anticipation.
> >>
> >> Warm regards
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
Pants? We don't need no stinkin' Pants!
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the Harbor
Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum to follow
or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing tie down point
to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made 4" X 6" articulating
pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to protect the paint.
They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or wheel maintenance in addition
to setting up the initial wheel fairings installation.
David Clifford
N959RV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Pulis" <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers
Happy new year to you all.
I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off the ground,
in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitting of
the wheel covers?
Thank you in anticipation.
Warm regards
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
Thanks Rick
This sounds like the way to go. I'll investigate sourcing the long stroke j
acks.
I don't have wings attached.
Warm regards and thanks.
Patrick
> On 4 Jan 2016, at 00:05, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Patrick
> I used around a 4 ' x10" piece of hardwood with a piece of carpet between
it and the fuse, and then a long stroke bottle jack to raise it. Then I pu
t car stands under the hardwood plank while I worked on the pants. Just be
sure the whole thing is stable. I did leave the nose wheel on the garage f
loor while I worked on the mains.
> Regards, Rick
>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au
> wrote:
>
>>
>> My wings aren't attached Bob, otherwise a great idea.
>>
>> Warm regards and thanks.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> > On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:39, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I used wing jacks.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
>> >>
.au>
>> >>
>> >> Happy new year to you all.
>> >>
>> >> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage o
ff the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable f
itting of the wheel covers?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you in anticipation.
>> >>
>> >> Warm regards
>> >>
>> >> Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
Are you able to send any pictures please David.
We don't have 'Harbour Freight' here downunder in Australia, however I'm sur
e that I can source something, albeit more than likely not as cheap.
Warm regards
Patrick
> On 4 Jan 2016, at 02:37, David Clifford <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the
Harbor Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum t
o follow or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing t
ie down point to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made 4
" X 6" articulating pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to pr
otect the paint. They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or whe
el maintenance in addition to setting up the initial wheel fairings installa
tion.
>
> David Clifford
> N959RV
>
> From: "Patrick Pulis" <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers
>
>
> Happy new year to you all.
>
> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off t
he ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitt
ing of the wheel covers?
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Warm rega -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
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| Subject: | RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
The Matco front wheel axle replacement is easier to set the bearing load
but it's diameter is too small (like the original Vans axle) which
allows the inner bearing race to turn on the axle (not good). Have a
machinist make you an axle big enough so the race fits snuggley.
Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal
stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with
only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if
necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans).
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| Subject: | Airflow ES Fuel Pump |
Well, I tested my system for leaks today.
The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond the
40 max scale I had set on the EFIS.
So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by
cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I
believe the system is leak-free.
However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the system
intake is not working.
Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I
gather there is no servicing the relief valve.
Kelly
-sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
docclv(at)windstream.net wrote:
>
>
> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal
> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with
> only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if
> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans).
I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20 lbs
of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you want
to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water
out.
BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump |
First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct setting.
If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then you would get
exactly what you are seeing.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I tested my system for leaks today.
> The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond the 40
max scale I had set on the EFIS.
> So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by cracking
mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I believe the
system is leak-free.
> However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the system intake
is not working.
> Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I gather
there is no servicing the relief valve.
> Kelly
> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for ballast.
I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment already. I don't
think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent ballast to the
tail.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> docclv(at)windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal
>> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with
>> only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if
>> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans).
>
> I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20
lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you
want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water
out.
> BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and balance |
I agree with Jesse.
Assuming the worst nose heavy condition (zero fuel and solo with a 100#
pilot), CG on my plane works out to be 108.61" (limits are 107.84" to
116.24"). Even with no pilot and no fuel the CG is at 108.24". For my
first flight the CG was at 108.83" at low fuel. On the other hand, at gross
with four passengers and baggage the CG is at 115.83". My empty weight
(IO-540, Hartzell BA prop and 11 qts of oil) is 1659# with a heavy paint job
and two PC-625 batteries in the standard location.
In other words for my plane it is not possible to have the CG too far
forward. It is possible to have the CG too far aft (big rear seat
passengers and 100# of baggage).
Unless you find yourself with a nose heavy plane there is little reason to
have ballast outside of flight testing.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance
I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for
ballast. I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment
already. I don't think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent
ballast to the tail.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> docclv(at)windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal
>> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance
>> with only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if
>> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from
Vans).
>
> I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep
20 lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes
that you want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just
pour the water out.
> BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
I concur.
Tim
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for ballast.
I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment already. I
don't think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent ballast to
the tail.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> docclv(at)windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal
>>> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with
>>> only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if
>>> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans).
>>
>> I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20
lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you
want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the
water out.
>> BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump |
Thanks Jesse. I have the Kavlico, purchased separately from Dynon, so that
certainly is possible. Will check part numbers.
Kelly
-sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct
> setting. If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then
> you would get exactly what you are seeing.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I tested my system for leaks today.
> > The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond
> the 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS.
> > So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by
> cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I
> believe the system is leak-free.
> > However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the
> system intake is not working.
> > Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I
> gather there is no servicing the relief valve.
> > Kelly
> > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump |
There have been instances of the wrong sensor in the bag for fuel pressure. I
had 1 or 2 15 PSI sensors packaged as 50 PSI, IIRC.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jesse. I have the Kavlico, purchased separately from Dynon, so that
certainly is possible. Will check part numbers.
> Kelly
>
> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wro
te:
>>
>> First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct set
ting. If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then you w
ould get exactly what you are seeing.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, I tested my system for leaks today.
>> > The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond t
he 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS.
>> > So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range b
y cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I b
elieve the system is leak-free.
>> > However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the sy
stem intake is not working.
>> > Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I
gather there is no servicing the relief valve.
>> > Kelly
>> > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
>>
>>
>> ==============
>> br> fts!)
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rsbooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers |
David, that's an even better idea than my plank. I think I will fabricate
something for the top of the jack.
regards, Rick
#40956
Finished, waiting for spring to test fly
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:07 AM, David Clifford <davidsoutpost@comcast.net>
wrote:
> You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the
> Harbor Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum
> to follow or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing
> tie down point to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made
> 4" X 6" articulating pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to
> protect the paint. They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or
> wheel maintenance in addition to setting up the initial wheel fairings
> installation.
>
> David Clifford
> N959RV
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Patrick Pulis" <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
> *To: *rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM
> *Subject: *RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers
>
>
> Happy new year to you all.
>
> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off
> the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable
> fitting of the wheel covers?
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Warm rega -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
My -10 is pretty light (1608 lbs) and I'm short (seat one notch shy of full forward).
I do carry water ballast in the baggage area when solo. Flying at the forward
cg limit the only things I notice are (1) I cannot get the nose up as high
as I would like on a full flaps landing, and (2) it's hard to stall.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
You all forgot about one other stat;=C2- the plane is both slower (top sp
eed) and not as efficient in forward cg.=C2- Just as a ck, set auto at no
rmal cruise altitude and speed, then have your front seat passenger get in
the back, watch the mpg calc.=C2- I fly almost entirely by mpg, so I can
tell you it definitely makes a difference.=C2- Keep the calc from middle
to slightly aft and the plane will perform much better.Don McDonald
900 hours, and it's still a blast!=C2-
From: Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 7:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance
My -10 is pretty light (1608 lbs) and I'm short (seat one notch shy of full
forward). I do carry water ballast in the baggage area when solo. Flying a
t the forward cg limit the only things I notice are (1) I cannot get the no
se up as high as I would like on a full flaps landing, and (2) it's hard to
stall.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451690#451690
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
S -
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance |
Well, I'd say the plane is slightly faster if you move the cg aft. But my right
seat passenger is usually my wife, and I know better than asking her to move
to the back!
The interesting question is, "Is it a gain or a loss if you add EXTRA weight to
move the cg aft?"
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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