---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/03/16: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Jesse Saint) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Rick Lark) 3. 06:48 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (johngoodman) 4. 08:10 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (David Clifford) 5. 11:43 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Patrick Pulis) 6. 11:46 AM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Patrick Pulis) 7. 12:17 PM - RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Doc) 8. 01:05 PM - Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Kelly McMullen) 9. 02:19 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner) 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Jesse Saint) 11. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Jesse Saint) 12. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and balance (Carl Froehlich) 13. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Tim Olson) 14. 04:54 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Kelly McMullen) 15. 05:40 PM - Re: Airflow ES Fuel Pump (Jesse Saint) 16. 05:47 PM - Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers (Rick Lark) 17. 05:47 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner) 18. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Don McDonald) 19. 10:50 PM - Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:41 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers With the wings on I jack it up from the tie down points. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > > Happy new year to you all. > > I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitting of the wheel covers? > > Thank you in anticipation. > > Warm regards > > Patrick > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers From: Rick Lark Patrick I used around a 4 ' x10" piece of hardwood with a piece of carpet between it and the fuse, and then a long stroke bottle jack to raise it. Then I put car stands under the hardwood plank while I worked on the pants. Just be sure the whole thing is stable. I did leave the nose wheel on the garage floor while I worked on the mains. Regards, Rick On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > My wings aren't attached Bob, otherwise a great idea. > > Warm regards and thanks. > > Patrick > > > On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:39, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > > > > I used wing jacks. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis > wrote: > >> > rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> > >> > >> Happy new year to you all. > >> > >> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage > off the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to > enable fitting of the wheel covers? > >> > >> Thank you in anticipation. > >> > >> Warm regards > >> > >> Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:05 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers From: "johngoodman" Pants? We don't need no stinkin' Pants! John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451657#451657 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:22 AM PST US From: David Clifford Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the Harbor Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum to follow or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing tie down point to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made 4" X 6" articulating pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to protect the paint. They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or wheel maintenance in addition to setting up the initial wheel fairings installation. David Clifford N959RV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Pulis" Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers Happy new year to you all. I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitting of the wheel covers? Thank you in anticipation. Warm regards Patrick ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers From: Patrick Pulis Thanks Rick This sounds like the way to go. I'll investigate sourcing the long stroke j acks. I don't have wings attached. Warm regards and thanks. Patrick > On 4 Jan 2016, at 00:05, Rick Lark wrote: > > Patrick > I used around a 4 ' x10" piece of hardwood with a piece of carpet between it and the fuse, and then a long stroke bottle jack to raise it. Then I pu t car stands under the hardwood plank while I worked on the pants. Just be sure the whole thing is stable. I did leave the nose wheel on the garage f loor while I worked on the mains. > Regards, Rick > >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > >> >> My wings aren't attached Bob, otherwise a great idea. >> >> Warm regards and thanks. >> >> Patrick >> >> > On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:39, Bob Leffler wrote: >> > >> > >> > I used wing jacks. >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: >> >> .au> >> >> >> >> Happy new year to you all. >> >> >> >> I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage o ff the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable f itting of the wheel covers? >> >> >> >> Thank you in anticipation. >> >> >> >> Warm regards >> >> >> >> Patrick >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.builde rsbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========== > ========================== ========================== -========================= ========================== ========================== -========================= ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers From: Patrick Pulis Are you able to send any pictures please David. We don't have 'Harbour Freight' here downunder in Australia, however I'm sur e that I can source something, albeit more than likely not as cheap. Warm regards Patrick > On 4 Jan 2016, at 02:37, David Clifford wrote: > > You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the Harbor Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum t o follow or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing t ie down point to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made 4 " X 6" articulating pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to pr otect the paint. They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or whe el maintenance in addition to setting up the initial wheel fairings installa tion. > > David Clifford > N959RV > > From: "Patrick Pulis" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers > > > Happy new year to you all. > > I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off t he ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable fitt ing of the wheel covers? > > Thank you in anticipation. > > Warm rega -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ========================== ========================== -========================= ========================== ========================== -========================= ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:11 PM PST US From: Doc Subject: RV10-List: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance The Matco front wheel axle replacement is easier to set the bearing load but it's diameter is too small (like the original Vans axle) which allows the inner bearing race to turn on the axle (not good). Have a machinist make you an axle big enough so the race fits snuggley. Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans). ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:36 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: RV10-List: Airflow ES Fuel Pump Well, I tested my system for leaks today. The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond the 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS. So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I believe the system is leak-free. However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the system intake is not working. Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I gather there is no servicing the relief valve. Kelly -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance From: "Bob Turner" docclv(at)windstream.net wrote: > > > Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal > stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with > only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if > necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans). I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20 lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water out. BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:16 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow ES Fuel Pump First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct setting. If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then you would get exactly what you are seeing. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Well, I tested my system for leaks today. > The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond the 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS. > So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I believe the system is leak-free. > However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the system intake is not working. > Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I gather there is no servicing the relief valve. > Kelly > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:19 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for ballast. I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment already. I don't think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent ballast to the tail. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > > docclv(at)windstream.net wrote: >> >> >> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal >> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with >> only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if >> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans). > > I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20 lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water out. > BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:16 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and balance I agree with Jesse. Assuming the worst nose heavy condition (zero fuel and solo with a 100# pilot), CG on my plane works out to be 108.61" (limits are 107.84" to 116.24"). Even with no pilot and no fuel the CG is at 108.24". For my first flight the CG was at 108.83" at low fuel. On the other hand, at gross with four passengers and baggage the CG is at 115.83". My empty weight (IO-540, Hartzell BA prop and 11 qts of oil) is 1659# with a heavy paint job and two PC-625 batteries in the standard location. In other words for my plane it is not possible to have the CG too far forward. It is possible to have the CG too far aft (big rear seat passengers and 100# of baggage). Unless you find yourself with a nose heavy plane there is little reason to have ballast outside of flight testing. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 5:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for ballast. I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment already. I don't think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent ballast to the tail. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > > docclv(at)windstream.net wrote: >> >> >> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal >> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance >> with only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if >> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans). > > I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20 lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water out. > BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:41 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance I concur. Tim > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > > I have flown a lot of different -10's and have never felt the need for ballast. I have flown a couple that had weight in the baggage compartment already. I don't think it needs any, and I certainly would not add permanent ballast to the tail. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 3, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Bob Turner wrote: >> >> >> >> docclv(at)windstream.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> Add 10 pounds of lead on top of the empenage between the horizontal >>> stabilizers for weight and balance. it will keep the 10 in balance with >>> only one pilot and a full load of fuel(read the "add ballast if >>> necessary for balancing" in the weight and balance instructions from Vans). >> >> I strongly suggest an alternative: for flying solo, or two up front, keep 20 lbs of water in a plastic jug in the baggage area. When the day comes that you want to carry a lot of weight (and the cg near the aft limit) just pour the water out. >> BTW, cg will be at its worst with zero, not full, fuel. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451674#451674 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:51 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow ES Fuel Pump Thanks Jesse. I have the Kavlico, purchased separately from Dynon, so that certainly is possible. Will check part numbers. Kelly -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct > setting. If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then > you would get exactly what you are seeing. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > > Well, I tested my system for leaks today. > > The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond > the 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS. > > So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range by > cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I > believe the system is leak-free. > > However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the > system intake is not working. > > Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I > gather there is no servicing the relief valve. > > Kelly > > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:47 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow ES Fuel Pump There have been instances of the wrong sensor in the bag for fuel pressure. I had 1 or 2 15 PSI sensors packaged as 50 PSI, IIRC. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Thanks Jesse. I have the Kavlico, purchased separately from Dynon, so that certainly is possible. Will check part numbers. > Kelly > > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Jesse Saint wro te: >> >> First I would verify that you have the correct sender and the correct set ting. If you have the 15 psi sensor and setup for the 50 psi unit, then you w ould get exactly what you are seeing. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> C: 352-427-0285 >> F: 815-377-3694 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> > >> > Well, I tested my system for leaks today. >> > The boost pump brought the pressure right up, past 25, past 35, beyond t he 40 max scale I had set on the EFIS. >> > So turned it right off. Could bleed pressure down into readable range b y cracking mixture. Let it hold for an hour at 25, no problem. With that I b elieve the system is leak-free. >> > However, it would appear that the relief valve return of fuel to the sy stem intake is not working. >> > Has anyone else seen this? Do I need a new relief valve from Airflow? I gather there is no servicing the relief valve. >> > Kelly >> > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm >> >> >> ============== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.builde rsbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========== > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers From: Rick Lark David, that's an even better idea than my plank. I think I will fabricate something for the top of the jack. regards, Rick #40956 Finished, waiting for spring to test fly On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:07 AM, David Clifford wrote: > You might as well go ahead a fabricate a couple wing jack stands using the > Harbor Freight long ram jacks. There are many examples on the Vans forum > to follow or get ideas from. I made two for under $100. Some use the wing > tie down point to jack, I use the wing spar box under the fuselage. I made > 4" X 6" articulating pads for the rams that have a thick rubber padding to > protect the paint. They come in handy anytime you need to do any brake or > wheel maintenance in addition to setting up the initial wheel fairings > installation. > > David Clifford > N959RV > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Patrick Pulis" > *To: *rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:22:00 PM > *Subject: *RV10-List: Lifting the fuselage to installed wheel covers > > > Happy new year to you all. > > I would appreciate any recommendations as to how to lift the fuselage off > the ground, in order to have the wheels in the flying attitude to enable > fitting of the wheel covers? > > Thank you in anticipation. > > Warm rega -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance From: "Bob Turner" My -10 is pretty light (1608 lbs) and I'm short (seat one notch shy of full forward). I do carry water ballast in the baggage area when solo. Flying at the forward cg limit the only things I notice are (1) I cannot get the nose up as high as I would like on a full flaps landing, and (2) it's hard to stall. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451690#451690 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:32 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance You all forgot about one other stat;=C2- the plane is both slower (top sp eed) and not as efficient in forward cg.=C2- Just as a ck, set auto at no rmal cruise altitude and speed, then have your front seat passenger get in the back, watch the mpg calc.=C2- I fly almost entirely by mpg, so I can tell you it definitely makes a difference.=C2- Keep the calc from middle to slightly aft and the plane will perform much better.Don McDonald 900 hours, and it's still a blast!=C2- From: Bob Turner To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 7:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance My -10 is pretty light (1608 lbs) and I'm short (seat one notch shy of full forward). I do carry water ballast in the baggage area when solo. Flying a t the forward cg limit the only things I notice are (1) I cannot get the no se up as high as I would like on a full flaps landing, and (2) it's hard to stall. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451690#451690 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 front axle/weight and ballance From: "Bob Turner" Well, I'd say the plane is slightly faster if you move the cg aft. But my right seat passenger is usually my wife, and I know better than asking her to move to the back! The interesting question is, "Is it a gain or a loss if you add EXTRA weight to move the cg aft?" -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451701#451701 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.