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1. 09:25 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Bill Watson)
2. 10:41 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Tim Olson)
3. 11:11 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Stein Bruch)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Stein Bruch)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Rene)
7. 11:57 AM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Carl Froehlich)
8. 01:17 PM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand (Stein Bruch)
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I decided
to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell Tim
Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to talk me
through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then provided a
hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a hardware-only device that
is cabled to each avionics unit. It is customized so that each
connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also fully documented.
I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options than
I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he was
immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost and
installation was just a plug in operation.
If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
(3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer" Watson
On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> Good comments Carl.
> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
> down the road.
>
> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
> board layout which you don't need.
> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
> file download.
> Linn
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>
>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>
>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will make
>> your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel provides a
>> lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new EFIS
>> systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric architecture
>> makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days. Add to that the
>> high probability that you will want to change something after a year
>> or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>
>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 11:35 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
>>
>>
>> Definitely just call Stein and work through the decision process with
>> him. Also, actually BUY your system from him. As some people are
>> finding out with the RV-14, he's got the right in's for backend
>> support and can accomplish things other vendors can't.
>> So when you need something later, you'll have him as a resource.
>> But it's a two way street...be nice to your vendor and they will bend
>> over backwards for you. He's been the best vendor that came through
>> for many many customers left hanging in the past.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 10:02 AM, Rene wrote:
>>> I agree with others..all answers are tainted by what we have already
>>> chosen. Stein built my panel many years ago and I went with GRT..
>>>
>>> I love the GRT and have upgraded my screens since I first flew back
>>> in 2008.
>>>
>>> One of my design goals was to distribute the processing to avoid
>>> single point hardware and SOFTWARE failures. So as much as the one
>>> box does everything approach looks like the best solution, I would
>>> still worry about a single point failure..what do you have left.
>>>
>>> So my system is currently
>>>
>>> 2 screen GRT system (6.5 in HX)
>>>
>>> 1 GRT sport
>>>
>>> Garmin 430w
>>>
>>> Trutrak Autopilot
>>>
>>> The auto pilot can be commanded from the Garmin, 2 screen GRT, or
>>> Sport. The sport has its own GPS and ADHRS.true fully mission
>>> capable backup.
>>>
>>> The trutrak autopilot is great.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion with no real experience with other systems.
>>>
>>> I think it is a GREAT idea to call Stein and work through your
>>> requirements. Over the years he has helped me greatly. Just to put in
>>> a plug.he also sells bits and pieces you will need via his web site.
>>> (steinair.com)
>>>
>>> Rene'
>>>
>>> 801-721-6080
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and
explore with Stein, and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by
SteinAir" is the big optional part. I wired my -10 and I wired
my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand that laying
out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and
getting all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor,
so make it a 2 way street with Stein or whatever vendor you
go with, and stick with that vendor through the whole process.
It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time,
for no return...all that does is increase cost for all customers.
So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will
be happy to share in helping make the install a success.
Tim
On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I decided
> to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>
> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell Tim
> Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to talk me
> through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then provided a
> hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a hardware-only device that
> is cabled to each avionics unit. It is customized so that each
> connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also fully documented.
>
> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options than
> I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he was
> immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost and
> installation was just a plug in operation.
>
> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>
> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>
> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer" Watson
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Good comments Carl.
>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>> down the road.
>>
>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>> board layout which you don't need.
>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>> file download.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>
>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will make
>>> your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel provides a
>>> lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new EFIS
>>> systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric architecture
>>> makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days. Add to that the
>>> high probability that you will want to change something after a year
>>> or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>
>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
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| Subject: | Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Indeed - as Carl mentioned below, some of our optional services are and could be
considered a 'premium' (but we do offer lots of options at lots of price points).....but
in the same breath he neglected to mention the 3 panel layouts and
multiple equipment lists/estimates I did for him gratis at ZERO charge having
sold none of the equipment! :)
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and explore with Stein,
and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by SteinAir" is the big optional part.
I wired my -10 and I wired my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand
that laying out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and getting
all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor, so make it a 2 way street
with Stein or whatever vendor you go with, and stick with that vendor through
the whole process.
It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time, for no return...all
that does is increase cost for all customers.
So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will be happy to share in
helping make the install a success.
Tim
On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I
> decided to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>
> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell
> Tim Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to
> talk me through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then
> provided a hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a
> hardware-only device that is cabled to each avionics unit. It is
> customized so that each connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also
fully documented.
>
> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options
> than I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he
> was immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost
> and installation was just a plug in operation.
>
> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>
> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>
> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer"
> Watson
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Good comments Carl.
>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>> down the road.
>>
>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>> board layout which you don't need.
>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>> file download.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>
>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will
>>> make your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel
>>> provides a lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new
>>> EFIS systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric
>>> architecture makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days.
>>> Add to that the high probability that you will want to change
>>> something after a year or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>
>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
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| Subject: | Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Now that's funny! I think you bought enough stuff to even qualify for the shirt!
:)
Cheers,
Stein
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
I keep wanting to push the "like" button on what Tim posts... just can't
seem to find it.
Jeff Carpenter
Do Not Archive
On Jan 28, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and
> explore with Stein, and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by
> SteinAir" is the big optional part. I wired my -10 and I wired
> my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand that laying
> out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and
> getting all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor,
> so make it a 2 way street with Stein or whatever vendor you
> go with, and stick with that vendor through the whole process.
> It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time,
> for no return...all that does is increase cost for all customers.
> So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will
> be happy to share in helping make the install a success.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I
decided
>> to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
>> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
>> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out
to
>> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>>
>> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
>> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
>> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell
Tim
>> Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to talk
me
>> through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then provided
a
>> hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a hardware-only device
that
>> is cabled to each avionics unit. It is customized so that each
>> connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also fully
documented.
>>
>> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options
than
>> I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he was
>> immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost and
>> installation was just a plug in operation.
>>
>> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>>
>> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>>
>> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer"
Watson
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
<flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
>>>
>>> Good comments Carl.
>>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>>> down the road.
>>>
>>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said ....
if
>>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work.
I
>>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>>> board layout which you don't need.
>>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>>> file download.
>>> Linn
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>>
>>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will
make
>>>> your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel provides
a
>>>> lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new EFIS
>>>> systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric architecture
>>>> makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days. Add to that
the
>>>> high probability that you will want to change something after a
year
>>>> or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>
>
>
>
Westcott Press
1121 Isabel Street
Burbank, CA 91506
jeff@westcottpress.com
818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Sorry, but I cannot help but chime in one more time.
I run an engineering company and do all types of engineering as a service. That
being said, I had Stein build my panel and the price he charged was far from
premium. I would go out of business charging what he did (does ?).
BUT, even more important than that, the followup support has been fantastic even
7 years after he did the work.
My background as an Air Force electronics technician (back in the days where everything
was not plug and play) means I have all the knowledge needed to wire
a panel and figure it all out. Although I have done all my own mods and additions
since I got the first version from Stein, it has always been nice to be able
to ask questions and get answers.
I am a very happy customer.................
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Indeed - as Carl mentioned below, some of our optional services are and could be
considered a 'premium' (but we do offer lots of options at lots of price points).....but
in the same breath he neglected to mention the 3 panel layouts and
multiple equipment lists/estimates I did for him gratis at ZERO charge having
sold none of the equipment! :)
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and explore with Stein,
and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by SteinAir" is the big optional part.
I wired my -10 and I wired my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand
that laying out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and getting
all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor, so make it a 2 way street
with Stein or whatever vendor you go with, and stick with that vendor through
the whole process.
It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time, for no return...all
that does is increase cost for all customers.
So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will be happy to share in
helping make the install a success.
Tim
On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I
> decided to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>
> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell
> Tim Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to
> talk me through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then
> provided a hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a
> hardware-only device that is cabled to each avionics unit. It is
> customized so that each connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also
fully documented.
>
> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options
> than I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he
> was immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost
> and installation was just a plug in operation.
>
> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>
> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>
> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer"
> Watson
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Good comments Carl.
>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>> down the road.
>>
>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>> board layout which you don't need.
>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>> file download.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>
>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will
>>> make your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel
>>> provides a lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new
>>> EFIS systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric
>>> architecture makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days.
>>> Add to that the high probability that you will want to change
>>> something after a year or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>
>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
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| Subject: | Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Yep - I have had many deliveries from Stein over the years and will continue to
do so.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Indeed - as Carl mentioned below, some of our optional services are and could be
considered a 'premium' (but we do offer lots of options at lots of price points).....but
in the same breath he neglected to mention the 3 panel layouts and
multiple equipment lists/estimates I did for him gratis at ZERO charge having
sold none of the equipment! :)
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and explore with Stein,
and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by SteinAir" is the big optional part.
I wired my -10 and I wired my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand
that laying out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and getting
all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor, so make it a 2 way street
with Stein or whatever vendor you go with, and stick with that vendor through
the whole process.
It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time, for no return...all
that does is increase cost for all customers.
So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will be happy to share in
helping make the install a success.
Tim
On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I
> decided to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>
> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell
> Tim Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to
> talk me through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then
> provided a hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a
> hardware-only device that is cabled to each avionics unit. It is
> customized so that each connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also
fully documented.
>
> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options
> than I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he
> was immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost
> and installation was just a plug in operation.
>
> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>
> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>
> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer"
> Watson
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Good comments Carl.
>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>> down the road.
>>
>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>> board layout which you don't need.
>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>> file download.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>
>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will
>>> make your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel
>>> provides a lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new
>>> EFIS systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric
>>> architecture makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days.
>>> Add to that the high probability that you will want to change
>>> something after a year or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>
>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
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| Subject: | Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
Exactly - Everyone has been great and there is no need for this to be a vendor
love or hate fest (my head is already plenty large....just void of hair)!
I was Just pointing out that often times we do lots of free stuff up front without
expecting (but sometimes hoping) on the future business. We appreciate everyone's
business whether the size or frequency as we are not a large warehouse
type company. We aren't the only company out there and in fact are pretty good
friends with most of the other companies that offer similar or other services...and
we all get along marvelously. It's far too small of a world to get too
arrogant or to try and dominate. Some people will work with us and some will
work with others - every company has their own set of value propositions (sometimes
it's budget, sometimes it's geographical location, sometimes it's the
actual services offered, etc..), some folks do all of their own work and some
folks bought their planes and are upgrading them. That means everyone's relative
perspective is different, which brings this entire subject full circle again....that
being there is no perfect answer on the ideal EFIS (or company selling
the EFIS) for every single person in every single situation; but there are
a couple of top choices in either subject matter.
Cheers,
Stein
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
--> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Yep - I have had many deliveries from Stein over the years and will continue to
do so.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Indeed - as Carl mentioned below, some of our optional services are and could be
considered a 'premium' (but we do offer lots of options at lots of price points).....but
in the same breath he neglected to mention the 3 panel layouts and
multiple equipment lists/estimates I did for him gratis at ZERO charge having
sold none of the equipment! :)
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
Just to clarify, I meant to actually research and learn and explore with Stein,
and then buy from Stein....but the "wired by SteinAir" is the big optional part.
I wired my -10 and I wired my -14, and I'm glad for it. But just understand
that laying out a complete panel and picking out the equipment and getting
all the *knowledge* does impose a "cost" on the vendor, so make it a 2 way street
with Stein or whatever vendor you go with, and stick with that vendor through
the whole process.
It would not be fair to have someone invest many hours of time, for no return...all
that does is increase cost for all customers.
So pick your vendor, buy your gear from them, and they will be happy to share in
helping make the install a success.
Tim
On 1/28/2016 11:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Early on I worked with the excellent Mr. Stein but in the end I
> decided to trade off the cost of a pro job for DIY fun and some surplus $$.
> Understand that I'm a QB guy all the way but the only aspect of the
> build that wasn't totally new to me was wiring though it turned out to
> be just as much a learning curve as everything else.
>
> The thing that GREATLY eased the avionics wiring task was use of the
> Approach Fast Stack Hub. Instead of trying to integrate various
> harnesses and pigtails into a solid installation, I was able to tell
> Tim Haas at Fast Stack the products I was using and he was able to
> talk me through how I wanted them connected (many options) and then
> provided a hub and a complete set of cables. The hub is a
> hardware-only device that is cabled to each avionics unit. It is
> customized so that each connection is made inside of the hub. The setup is also
fully documented.
>
> I found that Tim knew much more about all the connectivity options
> than I will ever know. Later when a device was added or upgraded, he
> was immediately able to send the correct cables at a reasonable cost
> and installation was just a plug in operation.
>
> If your panel is a DIY, I suggest you consider this product.
>
> (3) GRT HX, G430w, SL30, GTX327, PMA9000EX, Trutrak, NavWorx ADS-B
>
> Bill "I think I bought enough Stein stuff to qualify as a customer"
> Watson
>
> On 1/27/2016 5:54 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>> Good comments Carl.
>> I wired my whole plane ... because I can. And I have the proper
>> tools. The crimpers can be pricey but cheap crimpers will bite you
>> down the road.
>>
>> I bought most of my connectors and wire from Stein because it was
>> convenient and he had the proper aviation stuff. Saved me time
>> looking for stuff a few $$ cheaper on the 'net. As Carl said .... if
>> you wire your own you will be able to save a lot of head-scratching
>> when something gives you problems. Make a schematic of your work. I
>> used Express PCB ... there are two parts, the schematic and the PC
>> board layout which you don't need.
>> http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch .... and scroll down to the zip
>> file download.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 5:25 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> While Stein is a superb vendor, you pay a premium for the service.
>>>
>>> I'm troubled that Van's does not even provide the aluminum panel
>>> blanks in the RV-14 kits. They say to "just call Stein, he will
>>> make your panel". While not for everyone, doing your own panel
>>> provides a lot of insight into how the stuff all works. For the new
>>> EFIS systems like Dynon the simplicity of a network centric
>>> architecture makes life a lot easier than the legacy analog days.
>>> Add to that the high probability that you will want to change
>>> something after a year or two and you have more incentive to do the panel yourself.
>>>
>>> Then again, some people just don't like wires....
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
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