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" My hanger mate has AFS. He says that the GRT has better resolution (he is
right on that account)."
He is not right on that, unless you are talking about our older AF-4500/35
00. All of the AF-5000 systems (5400, 5500, 5600, 5800) use a 1024 x 768
resolution XGA LCD screen, the exact same resolution as the GRT Hx EFIS sc
reens.
Unlike the GRT the AF-5000 screens utilize an optically bonded very high qu
ality AR industrial touch screen made with CORNING GORILLA GLASS. The optic
ally bonded AR glass actually makes the screen look like they are higher re
solution and they are far more scratch resistant, so much better that we de
cided about 10 months ago to only sell the touch screen.
We are using a 3 Arc-second digital elevation database to draw the syntheti
c vision and map, the exact same database that we use in both our Skyview
and AF-5000 EFIS screens.
"The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side only!), a
nd Grand Rapids. These are the companies that have established solid founda
tions for their business so you have some confidence they will be around fo
r the long run. I did not list Advanced as they are now owned by Dynon. Eve
n though Dynon sells and supports the Advanced line I don't see how they ca
n support two such similar products for such a small market. In other words
I expect the Advance line to be phased out at some point".
The AF-5000 screens have the same Dynon SV Network as the Skyview and curre
ntly support all of the Skyview modules (AP Servos, Radio, EMS, ARINC, AP P
anel, Transponder, ADS-B, and 2020 GPS), You can install all of the compon
ents and then decided on a Skyview or AF-5000 EFIS to plug in.
We have customers that prefer the Skyview EFIS layout and we have customers
that prefer the AF-5000 Layout, we give you more options to fit your pref
erences.
It has been almost three years since Dynon purchased AFS, we have not been
shut down or phased out. AFS has actually been growing and the future is
extremely positive. We have become a major supplier in the experimental pan
el market and that part of the business continues to grow at a rapid rate.
We build a lot of panels and over 90% of them have the AF-5600T EFIS screen
and Avidyne IFD GPS Navigator. I am pretty sure we are the largest Avidyn
e dealer in the experimental market. We have also recently started supply
ing complete panels to a large aviation company in China, helping with the
USA trade imbalance. Additionally, we also don't build our EFIS screens i
n Taiwan nor are we incorporated in Switzerland to avoid paying US taxes.
When hearing a rumor or claim, please take a moment and consider who or wha
t may have been the source.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc - Dynon Avionics
N402RH RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
I went with GRT HXrs the second time around. My hanger mate has AFS. He say
s that the GRT has better resolution (he is right on that account). Both of
them are first rate. I bought all my stuff thru Steinair. It was cheaper t
han from the factory and they also do customer support par excellant!!
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
.net>
>
> Carlos,
>
> All good comments. Some additional thoughts:
>
> The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side only!),
and Grand Rapids. These are the companies that have established solid foun
dations for their business so you have some confidence they will be around
for the long run. I did not list Advanced as they are now owned by Dynon.
Even though Dynon sells and supports the Advanced line I don't see how the
y can support two such similar products for such a small market. In other
words I expect the Advance line to be phased out at some point.
>
> For system elements, this is 100% dependent on your mission. If you are
flying IFR then you should have:
> - Two 10" displays with integrated traffic and weather displays (ADS-B in
and TIS)
> - Two ADHARS modules (and a system that automatically compares the module
s to detect faults)
> - Mode S transponder with ADS-B out capability
> - Two axis autopilot
>
> A lot of problems are solved if you go with one vendor for everything.
>
>> From this you can do the apples to bananas comparisons. Do three full s
ystem cost calculations then decide which provides you the best capability/
cost value. Do not ignore the total cost of ownership (Garmin flat rate ch
arges, Garmin database subscriptions compared to Dynon's free for life, etc
).
>
> Let us know what decision you make and why - this is the fastest moving e
lement of the experimental market and new views are always worth the time t
o review.
>
> Carl
> Full Dynon SkyView install (dual 10" displays, transponder, radio, ADS-B
in/out, Autopilot)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
>
>
> You will find most of us favoring whatever brand we selected. I tend to t
hink of MGL as a minor player, not what I would want for major support.
> I dislike Garmin for many reasons, but others love them.
> My three favorites that I debated over were Dynon, AFS and GRT. For what
I wanted at the time autopilot was 4-5K extra for AFS and GRT because you n
eeded a separate 3rd party unit. I think they have since integrated somethi
ng into their software.
> Acquisition cost and features will be one factor. Database cost and repai
rs cost will be the other main players. I frankly don't know how Garmin han
dles that with the G3X system. I would hope it would be better than with th
eir other product lines like portables and certified panel mounts, where yo
u pay a big flat rate fee regardless of what you need fixed.
> I have been very happy with Dynon's upgrades, largely to meet customer re
quests. Their "free" database updates and pay for IFR charts approach works
for me, but I'm sure there are other reasonable alternatives.
> You need to spend time at an airshow where vendors are displaying, and as
k more about costs and support, and less about features. They all have most
features you want, but ease of use and figuring them out takes time to ass
ess, and several subsequent visits to learn what you missed the first time.
If you are outside the US, costs, data update sources and costs will all m
atter.
>
>> On 1/27/2016 6:22 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> Guys
>>
>> I would like to hear your opinions about the EFIS systems and brands
>> which are NOW in the market for an RV-10.
>>
>> Of course there are many factors, like quality, price, support, system
>> integration, features and so on, in this or another order
>>
>> About the system I mean number of displays, single or double AHRS,
>> integrated radio and/or transponder, integrated GPS and ADS-B,
>> integrated auto-pilot, etc.
>>
>> About brand, you know
>>
>> But if you were to choose now which EFIS brand and system to put in
>> your RV-10, what would you choose?
>>
>> (I know it depends on how much $ you can spend, but just wondering
>> what is the current situation)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Carlos
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand |
I really like my 3400s EE. Using it as an engine monitor primarily on the right
side as I have steam guages on the left - while I'm working on my IFR rating.
After that the plane gets a 5000 series in place of the steam guages....
-----Original Message-----
From: robhickman@aol.com
Sent: Jan 29, 2016 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
" My hanger mate has AFS. He says that the GRT has better resolution (he is right
on that account)."
He is not right on that, unless you are talking about our older AF-4500/3500.
All of the AF-5000 systems (5400, 5500, 5600, 5800) use a 1024 x 768 resolution
XGA LCD screen, the exact same resolution as the GRT Hx EFIS screens.
Unlike the GRT the AF-5000 screens utilize an optically bonded very high quality
AR industrial touch screen made with CORNING GORILLA GLASS. The optically bonded
AR glass actually makes the screen look like they are higher resolution and
they are far more scratch resistant, so much better that we decided about 10
months ago to only sell the touch screen.
We are using a 3 Arc-second digital elevation database to draw the synthetic vision
and map, the exact same database that we use in both our Skyview and AF-5000
EFIS screens.
"The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side only!), and Grand
Rapids. These are the companies that have established solid foundations for
their business so you have some confidence they will be around for the long
run. I did not list Advanced as they are now owned by Dynon. Even though Dynon
sells and supports the Advanced line I don't see how they can support two such
similar products for such a small market. In other words I expect the Advance
line to be phased out at some point".
The AF-5000 screens have the same Dynon SV Network as the Skyview and currently
support all of the Skyview modules (AP Servos, Radio, EMS, ARINC, AP Panel, Transponder,
ADS-B, and 2020 GPS), You can install all of the components and then
decided on a Skyview or AF-5000 EFIS to plug in.
We have customers that prefer the Skyview EFIS layout and we have customers that
prefer the AF-5000 Layout, we give you more options to fit your preferences.
It has been almost three years since Dynon purchased AFS, we have not been shut
down or phased out. AFS has actually been growing and the future is extremely
positive. We have become a major supplier in the experimental panel market
and that part of the business continues to grow at a rapid rate. We build a lot
of panels and over 90% of them have the AF-5600T EFIS screen and Avidyne IFD
GPS Navigator. I am pretty sure we are the largest Avidyne dealer in the experimental
market. We have also recently started supplying complete panels to
a large aviation company in China, helping with the USA trade imbalance. Additionally,
we also don't build our EFIS screens in Taiwan nor are we incorporated
in Switzerland to avoid paying US taxes. When hearing a rumor or claim,
please take a moment and consider who or what may have been the source.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc - Dynon Avionics
N402RH RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
I went with GRT HXrs the second time around. My hanger mate has AFS. He says that
the GRT has better resolution (he is right on that account). Both of them are
first rate. I bought all my stuff thru Steinair. It was cheaper than from the
factory and they also do customer support par excellant!!
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Carlos,
>
> All good comments. Some additional thoughts:
>
> The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side only!), and
Grand Rapids. These are the companies that have established solid foundations
for their business so you have some confidence they will be around for the long
run. I did not list Advanced as they are now owned by Dynon. Even though
Dynon sells and supports the Advanced line I don't see how they can support two
such similar products for such a small market. In other words I expect the
Advance line to be phased out at some point.
>
> For system elements, this is 100% dependent on your mission. If you are flying
IFR then you should have:
> - Two 10" displays with integrated traffic and weather displays (ADS-B in and
TIS)
> - Two ADHARS modules (and a system that automatically compares the modules to
detect faults)
> - Mode S transponder with ADS-B out capability
> - Two axis autopilot
>
> A lot of problems are solved if you go with one vendor for everything.
>
>> From this you can do the apples to bananas comparisons. Do three full system
cost calculations then decide which provides you the best capability/cost value.
Do not ignore the total cost of ownership (Garmin flat rate charges, Garmin
database subscriptions compared to Dynon's free for life, etc).
>
> Let us know what decision you make and why - this is the fastest moving element
of the experimental market and new views are always worth the time to review.
>
> Carl
> Full Dynon SkyView install (dual 10" displays, transponder, radio, ADS-B in/out,
Autopilot)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
>
>
> You will find most of us favoring whatever brand we selected. I tend to think
of MGL as a minor player, not what I would want for major support.
> I dislike Garmin for many reasons, but others love them.
> My three favorites that I debated over were Dynon, AFS and GRT. For what I wanted
at the time autopilot was 4-5K extra for AFS and GRT because you needed a
separate 3rd party unit. I think they have since integrated something into their
software.
> Acquisition cost and features will be one factor. Database cost and repairs cost
will be the other main players. I frankly don't know how Garmin handles that
with the G3X system. I would hope it would be better than with their other
product lines like portables and certified panel mounts, where you pay a big flat
rate fee regardless of what you need fixed.
> I have been very happy with Dynon's upgrades, largely to meet customer requests.
Their "free" database updates and pay for IFR charts approach works for me,
but I'm sure there are other reasonable alternatives.
> You need to spend time at an airshow where vendors are displaying, and ask more
about costs and support, and less about features. They all have most features
you want, but ease of use and figuring them out takes time to assess, and several
subsequent visits to learn what you missed the first time. If you are outside
the US, costs, data update sources and costs will all matter.
>
>> On 1/27/2016 6:22 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> Guys
>>
>> I would like to hear your opinions about the EFIS systems and brands
>> which are NOW in the market for an RV-10.
>>
>> Of course there are many factors, like quality, price, support, system
>> integration, features and so on, in this or another order
>>
>> About the system I mean number of displays, single or double AHRS,
>> integrated radio and/or transponder, integrated GPS and ADS-B,
>> integrated auto-pilot, etc.
>>
>> About brand, you know
>>
>> But if you were to choose now which EFIS brand and system to put in
>> your RV-10, what would you choose?
>>
>> (I know it depends on how much $ you can spend, but just wondering
>> what is the current situation)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
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Rob =93 glad to hear this.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
robhickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
" My hanger mate has AFS. He says that the GRT has better resolution (he
is right on that account)."
He is not right on that, unless you are talking about our older
AF-4500/3500. All of the AF-5000 systems (5400, 5500, 5600, 5800) use
a 1024 x 768 resolution XGA LCD screen, the exact same resolution as
the GRT Hx EFIS screens.
Unlike the GRT the AF-5000 screens utilize an optically bonded very high
quality AR industrial touch screen made with CORNING GORILLA GLASS. The
optically bonded AR glass actually makes the screen look like they are
higher resolution and they are far more scratch resistant, so much
better that we decided about 10 months ago to only sell the touch
screen.
We are using a 3 Arc-second digital elevation database to draw the
synthetic vision and map, the exact same database that we use in both
our Skyview and AF-5000 EFIS screens.
"The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side
only!), and Grand Rapids. These are the companies that have established
solid foundations for their business so you have some confidence they
will be around for the long run. I did not list Advanced as they are now
owned by Dynon. Even though Dynon sells and supports the Advanced line I
don't see how they can support two such similar products for such a
small market. In other words I expect the Advance line to be phased out
at some point".
The AF-5000 screens have the same Dynon SV Network as the Skyview and
currently support all of the Skyview modules (AP Servos, Radio, EMS,
ARINC, AP Panel, Transponder, ADS-B, and 2020 GPS), You can install all
of the components and then decided on a Skyview or AF-5000 EFIS to plug
in.
We have customers that prefer the Skyview EFIS layout and we have
customers that prefer the AF-5000 Layout, we give you more options to
fit your preferences.
It has been almost three years since Dynon purchased AFS, we have not
been shut down or phased out. AFS has actually been growing and the
future is extremely positive. We have become a major supplier in the
experimental panel market and that part of the business continues to
grow at a rapid rate. We build a lot of panels and over 90% of them have
the AF-5600T EFIS screen and Avidyne IFD GPS Navigator. I am pretty
sure we are the largest Avidyne dealer in the experimental market. We
have also recently started supplying complete panels to a large aviation
company in China, helping with the USA trade imbalance. Additionally,
we also don't build our EFIS screens in Taiwan nor are we incorporated
in Switzerland to avoid paying US taxes. When hearing a rumor or claim,
please take a moment and consider who or what may have been the source.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc - Dynon Avionics
N402RH RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
I went with GRT HXrs the second time around. My hanger mate has AFS. He
says that the GRT has better resolution (he is right on that account).
Both of them are first rate. I bought all my stuff thru Steinair. It was
cheaper than from the factory and they also do customer support par
excellant!!
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> Carlos,
>
> All good comments. Some additional thoughts:
>
> The three major players are Dynon, Garmin (the experimental side
only!), and Grand Rapids. These are the companies that have established
solid foundations for their business so you have some confidence they
will be around for the long run. I did not list Advanced as they are now
owned by Dynon. Even though Dynon sells and supports the Advanced line I
don't see how they can support two such similar products for such a
small market. In other words I expect the Advance line to be phased out
at some point.
>
> For system elements, this is 100% dependent on your mission. If you
are flying IFR then you should have:
> - Two 10" displays with integrated traffic and weather displays (ADS-B
in and TIS)
> - Two ADHARS modules (and a system that automatically compares the
modules to detect faults)
> - Mode S transponder with ADS-B out capability
> - Two axis autopilot
>
> A lot of problems are solved if you go with one vendor for everything.
>
>> From this you can do the apples to bananas comparisons. Do three full
system cost calculations then decide which provides you the best
capability/cost value. Do not ignore the total cost of ownership (Garmin
flat rate charges, Garmin database subscriptions compared to Dynon's
free for life, etc).
>
> Let us know what decision you make and why - this is the fastest
moving element of the experimental market and new views are always worth
the time to review.
>
> Carl
> Full Dynon SkyView install (dual 10" displays, transponder, radio,
ADS-B in/out, Autopilot)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
>
>
> You will find most of us favoring whatever brand we selected. I tend
to think of MGL as a minor player, not what I would want for major
support.
> I dislike Garmin for many reasons, but others love them.
> My three favorites that I debated over were Dynon, AFS and GRT. For
what I wanted at the time autopilot was 4-5K extra for AFS and GRT
because you needed a separate 3rd party unit. I think they have since
integrated something into their software.
> Acquisition cost and features will be one factor. Database cost and
repairs cost will be the other main players. I frankly don't know how
Garmin handles that with the G3X system. I would hope it would be better
than with their other product lines like portables and certified panel
mounts, where you pay a big flat rate fee regardless of what you need
fixed.
> I have been very happy with Dynon's upgrades, largely to meet customer
requests. Their "free" database updates and pay for IFR charts approach
works for me, but I'm sure there are other reasonable alternatives.
> You need to spend time at an airshow where vendors are displaying, and
ask more about costs and support, and less about features. They all have
most features you want, but ease of use and figuring them out takes time
to assess, and several subsequent visits to learn what you missed the
first time. If you are outside the US, costs, data update sources and
costs will all matter.
>
>> On 1/27/2016 6:22 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> Guys
>>
>> I would like to hear your opinions about the EFIS systems and brands
>> which are NOW in the market for an RV-10.
>>
>> Of course there are many factors, like quality, price, support,
system
>> integration, features and so on, in this or another order
>>
>> About the system I mean number of displays, single or double AHRS,
>> integrated radio and/or transponder, integrated GPS and ADS-B,
>> integrated auto-pilot, etc.
>>
>> About brand, you know
>>
>> But if you were to choose now which EFIS brand and system to put in
>> your RV-10, what would you choose?
>>
>> (I know it depends on how much $ you can spend, but just wondering
>> what is the current situation)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Carlos
>>
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Hi
I think a key factor to consider is how much of the work you are going to do yourself
and how much will be done for you. The reason I say this is if you are
inexperienced (as I was) when building your panel then good support is absolutely
essential. Rob and his crew at AFS were and are most helpful as is Tim at
Approach Systems where I bought my non EFIS avionics.
In short, keep in mind how much support you will need from your supplier(s). The
cheapest option may not be in many cases be the best option.
Cheers
Les
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Hi
In May there was a thread on wheel balancing. I was interested as I was getting
a bit of shimmy on my landing roll out. Based on Tim Olson's recommendation,
I got a Marc Parnes balancer. In December I pulled the wheels and balanced them.
I was surprised at how many weights I had to use to balance the mains and nose
wheel.
Then end result is the shimmy is gone. It could be that my landings are just that
good but I rather suspect it was the result of the wheel balancing.
Cheers
Les
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