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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Tow Bar (Geoff Combs)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Tow Bar (Kelly McMullen)
3. 10:45 AM - Re: Tow Bar (Bill Watson)
4. 11:37 AM - Re: Tow Bar (davidsoutpost)
5. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (Stein Bruch)
6. 12:45 PM - Re: Tow Bar (kearney)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (Bob Turner)
8. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (Ed Kranz)
9. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (David Leikam)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Tow Bar (Bill Watson)
12. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") (Bill Watson)
13. 11:44 PM - Re: Re: Tow Bar (Patrick Pulis)
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You do not use the wheel axle bolt for the tow bar. You use the forward tow bar
attach
Bolts That hold the front of the wheel pant bracket.
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport
> On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:56 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have the Bogart Tow bar. My nose gear is a Matco wheel with Matco axle.
> When I put the tow bar on the axle bolt and nut, the tow bar slips off very easily,
making turning and pushing almost impossible Is thee a way to lock the
tow bar onto the axle?
> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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That explains a lot...haven't gotten around to mounting those brackets
yet. Thanks Geoff.
-sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
wrote:
> g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
> You do not use the wheel axle bolt for the tow bar. You use the forward
> tow bar attach
> Bolts That hold the front of the wheel pant bracket.
>
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:56 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have the Bogart Tow bar. My nose gear is a Matco wheel with Matco axle.
> > When I put the tow bar on the axle bolt and nut, the tow bar slips off
> very easily, making turning and pushing almost impossible Is thee a way to
> lock the tow bar onto the axle?
> > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
>
>
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Geoff answered the question but you might give this some thought as work
on the brackets....
As I recall, the original design has the 'forward tow bar attach bolts'
setup so they are recessed inside of the wheel pant for a nice
streamlined appearance/performance. I copied a number of other builders
in lengthening the bolts so that stainless cap head bolts sit external
to the wheel pant. There was a bit more to it but it's been awhile and
I'm not looking at anything. The mods were fully discussed and
documented here on the forum.
As I go into 5 years of operation, the external tow points have worked
great with the Bogert tow bar. More importantly they have eased
operations at visiting airports because the tow points are obvious,
easily used by common commercial tow bars, and because of some
protective washers they minimize damage to the wheel pant from line
folks. And it still looks pretty good though not all neat and recessed.
There may be other and better solutions out there now but that mod has
been good to me and I recommend it.
The Bogie Bar has also be come my control lock - it can work without
modification but the addition of some tabs to lock into the rudder
pedals makes it fool proof.
On 1/31/2016 11:56 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> I have the Bogart Tow bar. My nose gear is a Matco wheel with Matco axle.
> When I put the tow bar on the axle bolt and nut, the tow bar slips off
> very easily, making turning and pushing almost impossible Is thee a
> way to lock the tow bar onto the axle?
> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
Hi Carlos,
Again you=92ll get lots of opinions=85but I=92ll share my 2 cents as
usual!
For 2 or 3 screens I=92d say a lot depends on who is often flying in the
right
seat. If you often have a =93pilot type=94 or someone who enjoys seeing
what is
going on, or if you fly from the right seat than 2 or 3 screen is a very
nice luxury. It also depends on whether or not you want to have 2
screens
directly in front of the pilot or split them Left/Right. I=92d say in
an
RV-10 2 screens is almost a must, it=92s how you position them that is a
very
personal thing. The 3rd screen can be a nice central MFD type display
for
autopilot controls, engine info, vertical power info, flight planning,
etc.., but again a very personal thing.
Touch or buttons at this point is hardly a deciding factor in my
opinion.
That whole debate is almost a marketing exercise, as a well-designed
touch
system still has dedicated knobs and buttons for critical functions
(despite
what various marketing hypes say), so in the end that in itself
shouldn=92t be
a major factor in the decision making process in my opinion. The world
is
moving to touchscreens whether we like the idea or not, and sometimes a
poorly designed touch interface or menu structure with tons of buttons
can
be just as distracting as a simplified structure with less
buttons=85.but both
are perfectly usable in most any condition. The fact of the matter is
that
if it=92s so bumpy that a touch is unusable, buttons will also be
difficult.
The multiple ADAHRS thing also depends much on your mission and
equipment.
Do not confuse redundancy with reliability. Multiple ADAHRS systems are
fantastic redundancy, but don=92t necessarily add to overall
reliability.
Integrated comm radios are also something that has pretty much become
standard no matter which system you buy so again, I wouldn=92t place
that as
much of a deciding factor. Both Dynon & Garmin do a pretty nice job with
their radio interfaces and both have their own =93pro=92s=94.
The integrated transponder is pretty much standard with all of the
systems
and both are good=85no deciding factor there.
ADS-B is also pretty much standard with all systems, so again not a
deciding
factor in my opinion.
So in the end I=92d pick the system that you like to look at and play
with=85.and you can be pretty assured you=92ll love whichever one you
choose.
Cheers,
Stein
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand")
Fowkes
As the initiator of this thread, it=92s time to thank everybody who
responded
(perhaps except to those who deviated from the central issue=85 :().
Now, we=92ve beaten to death the =93Brand=94 question: it seems it
should be
Garmin or Dynon, closely followed by GRT.
Now, on the =93System=94 question, almost nobody responded to this.
I know it all depends on the mission, the available space, the available
$$,
but
What is the ideal system for a cross country RV-10?
2 or 3 screens?
Touch or buttons?
1 or 2 ADHARS?
Integrated comm radio?
Integrated Xpdr?
ADS-B?
I appreciate your views on this issues
Carlos
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Sent: s=E1bado, 30 de Janeiro de 2016 03:47
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Choosing an EFIS system and brand
kearney@shaw.ca>
Hi
I think a key factor to consider is how much of the work you are going
to do
yourself and how much will be done for you. The reason I say this is if
you
are inexperienced (as I was) when building your panel then good support
is
absolutely essential. Rob and his crew at AFS were and are most helpful
as
is Tim at Approach Systems where I bought my non EFIS avionics.
In short, keep in mind how much support you will need from your
supplier(s).
The cheapest option may not be in many cases be the best option.
Cheers
Les
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HI
A few years ago there was a bolt / helicoil / tap kit that was making its way from
builder to builder.
The intent was to use heilcoils in the bolt holes as the raw aluminum would eventually
give way. The bolts were longer so that the head protruded out of the
pants. A large washer was placed under the head so the tow bar never was inside
the wheel pant. This prevents wheel pant damage if the tow bar slips off. AT
least only paint gets scratched and the F/G doesn't get This up.
Cheers
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt wrote:
> Fowkes
>
> As the initiator of this thread, its time to thank everybody who responded (perhaps
except to those who deviated from the central issue L).
>
> Now, weve beaten to death the Brand question: it seems it should be Garmin or
Dynon, closely followed by GRT.
>
> Now, on the System question, almost nobody responded to this.
> I know it all depends on the mission, the available space, the available $$,
but
>
> What is the ideal system for a cross country RV-10?
> 2 or 3 screens?
> Touch or buttons?
> 1 or 2 ADHARS?
> Integrated comm radio?
> Integrated Xpdr?
> ADS-B?
>
> I appreciate your views on this issues
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
> --
My personal biases and opinions:
First of all, did you open the hood and look inside the boxes? Most people do not.
For example, the Dynon uses pitot data to obtain the attitude solution. If
it auto-detects pitot failure (notice the 'if') it will use gps data instead.
But if you lose both you lose your attitude indicator. Odds are low, but are
you happy with that? GRT will still show attitude in this circumstance; Garmin
I don't know.
Other stuff:
I fear single point failures taking out everything, so my philosophy is to have
boxes that will work together but can stand alone.
3 attitude sources - GRT, TRIO, Dynon D6 - all independent.
Battery back up
My touch screen experience is limited to the GTN series. I dislike it intensely,
even in smooth air I hit the wrong thing! But maybe I just need more practice.
But I like knobs or buttons.
Agree with others - 2 screens are good, a third is only useful for a right seat
person.
ADSB. For x/c get ADSB-in now, for the wx. You will want ADSB-out by 2020 because
the -10 flies well above 10,000', so it can be now or later. But either way
think about it now, because it feeds back into your choices. e.g., there are
a number of options that will display on GRT equipment; with Dynon or Garmin you
have fewer, and, more expensive choices. If buying all new avionics as you
are, with an ifr gps navigator, the mode S-ES route may be less expensive than
UAT. Look carefully at the numbers and trade offs.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
My 10 has 3 screens. The right screen is for the co-pilot. It's out of
reach of the pilot for standard practical operation. I installed it because
I want my son and wife to be able to practice flying with instrumentation
in front of them, and also be able to check out the
map/weather/traffic/AOPA airport directory without impacting my use of the
PFD and MFD.
With the G3X Touch, I think it would be possible to fly with a single in
front of the pilot, but as I'm currently getting my instrument rating, it's
FANTASTIC to have the PFD full screen with upcoming waypoints in the inset
window, and the MFD split screen between the approach plate on the left and
moving map on the right. I will also split the PFD to pull up info like the
airport information page, or the nearest frequencies page.
The functionality of this setup is incredible, even coming from a G1000 182!
So my OPINION is that VFR, 1 screen could get you by. IFR, I think 2
screens is far more practical. 3 screens is just fun, or if you want to
have someone who wants to "pilot" from the right seat from time to time.
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
I have a G900X from Stein installed in 2011 and have not looked back. Today I
would probably choose a dual screen G3X panel.
That being said, I use an iPad mini with Stratus mounted to the center support
bar for sectional and other info.
A third screen is very nice to have and the iPad does that job well.
Dave Leikam
N89DA
> On Feb 2, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Ed Kranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My 10 has 3 screens. The right screen is for the co-pilot. It's out of reach
of the pilot for standard practical operation. I installed it because I want my
son and wife to be able to practice flying with instrumentation in front of
them, and also be able to check out the map/weather/traffic/AOPA airport directory
without impacting my use of the PFD and MFD.
>
> With the G3X Touch, I think it would be possible to fly with a single in front
of the pilot, but as I'm currently getting my instrument rating, it's FANTASTIC
to have the PFD full screen with upcoming waypoints in the inset window, and
the MFD split screen between the approach plate on the left and moving map
on the right. I will also split the PFD to pull up info like the airport information
page, or the nearest frequencies page.
>
> The functionality of this setup is incredible, even coming from a G1000 182!
>
> So my OPINION is that VFR, 1 screen could get you by. IFR, I think 2 screens
is far more practical. 3 screens is just fun, or if you want to have someone who
wants to "pilot" from the right seat from time to time.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
I can see the juices flowing in your CFII's mind as to what items to
fail on you. Say 2nd screen, GPS and whatever it takes to reduce you to
one VHF nav, without moving map.
On 2/2/2016 4:03 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> My 10 has 3 screens.
> With the G3X Touch, I think it would be possible to fly with a single in
> front of the pilot, but as I'm currently getting my instrument rating,
> it's FANTASTIC to have the PFD full screen with upcoming waypoints in
> the inset window, and the MFD split screen between the approach plate on
> the left and moving map on the right. I will also split the PFD to pull
> up info like the airport information page, or the nearest frequencies page.
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Thanks Les - it was long enough ago I forgot most of the details but
that's what I did. The heli-coil touch was good engineering. Without
it, I'm sure things would have stripped.
Extending to just below the surface is the showplane approach - very
nice. The extension with large washer approach is the 'ham handed tow
bar handling' approach. Both better than stock I'd guess.
On 2/2/2016 3:41 PM, kearney wrote:
>
> HI
>
> A few years ago there was a bolt / helicoil / tap kit that was making its way
from builder to builder.
>
> The intent was to use heilcoils in the bolt holes as the raw aluminum would eventually
give way. The bolts were longer so that the head protruded out of the
pants. A large washer was placed under the head so the tow bar never was inside
the wheel pant. This prevents wheel pant damage if the tow bar slips off.
AT least only paint gets scratched and the F/G doesn't get This up.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452533#452533
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Choosing an EFIS system (was "and brand") |
I did the central 3rd screen thing combined with a Stein canted center
panel so it's turned towards the pilot. They are 3 GRT Hx screens and
each can do any and all things but I use the center display as a MFD
type. Looks great, works well but.....
...after flying behind it and with the opportunity to redo - I'd mount
that 3rd screed right up against the pilot screen. There's no reason to
spread such information out for the pilot. It looks better centered and
separated, it performs better clustered and optimally centered for the
pilot. And one big well designed screen should trump 2.
Bill "personally, I really like the way it looks" Watson
On 2/2/2016 3:19 PM, Stein Bruch wrote:
> .The 3^rd screen can be a nice central MFD type display for autopilot
> controls, engine info, vertical power info, flight planning, etc..,
> but again a very personal thing.
>
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Do you have any pictures of this setup please Les?
Warm regards
Patrick
> On 3 Feb 2016, at 07:11, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> HI
>
> A few years ago there was a bolt / helicoil / tap kit that was making its way
from builder to builder.
>
> The intent was to use heilcoils in the bolt holes as the raw aluminum would eventually
give way. The bolts were longer so that the head protruded out of the
pants. A large washer was placed under the head so the tow bar never was inside
the wheel pant. This prevents wheel pant damage if the tow bar slips off.
AT least only paint gets scratched and the F/G doesn't get This up.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452533#452533
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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