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1. 03:15 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (RV10@TEXASRV10.COM)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (Jesse Saint)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (Phillip Perry)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings ()
5. 06:33 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings ()
6. 06:33 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (Strasnuts)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings (Phillip Perry)
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Thick/thin washer for the slop can help. A pain to insert but may work for your
case.
Gaylon Koenning
> On Feb 6, 2016, at 20:33, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've managed to run into the control stick slop that a handful of other people
have reported. It looks like the bushing I have is undersized or the bell
crank hole is over sized. I haven't dug far enough into to determine which it
is, but I'm betting it's the welded part (IE: Bell Crank).
>
> I've thought about building a custom bushing, but thought I'd order one more
set from Vans and be extremely careful in prepping it, to remove as much slop
as possible before going any further down the path.
>
> Looking on Vans site this evening, I can't find that bushing anywhere for purchase.
It's labeled as BUSHING 065 x .375 x 2.313.
>
> Have any of you successfully ordered as 2nd set from Vans? Just wondering it
it could be hiding under a different stock number.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Are you talking about the OD of the bushing being undersized? I have seen that
before, although usually stick slop is because the bushing is too long and the
stick base can slide forward/back on the bushing. In this case, just shorten
the busing. If it's the bushing OD, then the only option is to get a bigger OD
on the bushing or a new stick base and hope it fits tighter.
In use, you don't really notice it in flight in my experience, although any excess
movement will cause wear in the long run.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:12 AM, RV10@TEXASRV10.COM <rv10@texasrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thick/thin washer for the slop can help. A pain to insert but may work for your
case.
>
> Gaylon Koenning
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 20:33, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've managed to run into the control stick slop that a handful of other people
have reported. It looks like the bushing I have is undersized or the bell
crank hole is over sized. I haven't dug far enough into to determine which
it is, but I'm betting it's the welded part (IE: Bell Crank).
>>
>> I've thought about building a custom bushing, but thought I'd order one more
set from Vans and be extremely careful in prepping it, to remove as much slop
as possible before going any further down the path.
>>
>> Looking on Vans site this evening, I can't find that bushing anywhere for purchase.
It's labeled as BUSHING 065 x .375 x 2.313.
>>
>> Have any of you successfully ordered as 2nd set from Vans? Just wondering it
it could be hiding under a different stock number.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Yeah, I think its the gap between the OD of the bushing and the ID of the
control stick base Jesse.
I can take the stick and not just rock it forward and aft, but I can
actually pick the stick up (vertically) and set it back down. So the slop
is somewhere on the inside of the control stick base.
I'll have to either build a custom bushing for my bases with a local
machine shop, or buy new parts. For simplicities sake, I'm leaning toward
buying new parts and that's why I'd like to buy replacement bushings only
at this point. The cost to replacement bases is really high compared to a
few bucks for a bushing. So I'll just roll the dice with the bushing if I
can find the replacement part number on Vans site. I might have to give
them a call on Monday because I can't find it anywhere on the site.
Phil
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Are you talking about the OD of the bushing being undersized? I have seen
> that before, although usually stick slop is because the bushing is too long
> and the stick base can slide forward/back on the bushing. In this case,
> just shorten the busing. If it's the bushing OD, then the only option is to
> get a bigger OD on the bushing or a new stick base and hope it fits tighter.
>
> In use, you don't really notice it in flight in my experience, although
> any excess movement will cause wear in the long run.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:12 AM, RV10@TEXASRV10.COM <rv10@texasrv10.com>
> wrote:
> >
> rv10@texasrv10.com>
> >
> > Thick/thin washer for the slop can help. A pain to insert but may work
> for your case.
> >
> > Gaylon Koenning
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 20:33, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've managed to run into the control stick slop that a handful of other
> people have reported. It looks like the bushing I have is undersized or
> the bell crank hole is over sized. I haven't dug far enough into to
> determine which it is, but I'm betting it's the welded part (IE: Bell
> Crank).
> >>
> >> I've thought about building a custom bushing, but thought I'd order one
> more set from Vans and be extremely careful in prepping it, to remove as
> much slop as possible before going any further down the path.
> >>
> >> Looking on Vans site this evening, I can't find that bushing anywhere
> for purchase. It's labeled as BUSHING 065 x .375 x 2.313.
> >>
> >> Have any of you successfully ordered as 2nd set from Vans? Just
> wondering it it could be hiding under a different stock number.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Measure your bushing and ask Van=99s what size it is supposed to
be. No sense in buying (and shipping) more bushings unless the bushing
is the problem.
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Control Stick Slop - Bushings
Yeah, I think its the gap between the OD of the bushing and the ID of
the control stick base Jesse.
I can take the stick and not just rock it forward and aft, but I can
actually pick the stick up (vertically) and set it back down. So the
slop is somewhere on the inside of the control stick base.
I'll have to either build a custom bushing for my bases with a local
machine shop, or buy new parts. For simplicities sake, I'm leaning
toward buying new parts and that's why I'd like to buy replacement
bushings only at this point. The cost to replacement bases is really
high compared to a few bucks for a bushing. So I'll just roll the dice
with the bushing if I can find the replacement part number on Vans site.
I might have to give them a call on Monday because I can't find it
anywhere on the site.
Phil
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
Are you talking about the OD of the bushing being undersized? I have
seen that before, although usually stick slop is because the bushing is
too long and the stick base can slide forward/back on the bushing. In
this case, just shorten the busing. If it's the bushing OD, then the
only option is to get a bigger OD on the bushing or a new stick base and
hope it fits tighter.
In use, you don't really notice it in flight in my experience,
although any excess movement will cause wear in the long run.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:12 AM, RV10@TEXASRV10.COM <rv10@texasrv10.com>
wrote:
>
<rv10@texasrv10.com>
>
> Thick/thin washer for the slop can help. A pain to insert but may
work for your case.
>
> Gaylon Koenning
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 20:33, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> I've managed to run into the control stick slop that a handful of
other people have reported. It looks like the bushing I have is
undersized or the bell crank hole is over sized. I haven't dug far
enough into to determine which it is, but I'm betting it's the welded
part (IE: Bell Crank).
>>
>> I've thought about building a custom bushing, but thought I'd order
one more set from Vans and be extremely careful in prepping it, to
remove as much slop as possible before going any further down the path.
>>
>> Looking on Vans site this evening, I can't find that bushing
anywhere for purchase. It's labeled as BUSHING 065 x .375 x 2.313.
>>
>> Have any of you successfully ordered as 2nd set from Vans? Just
wondering it it could be hiding under a different stock number.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Hey Phil,
Awhile back I needed a replacement bushing for a tool that was 40 years
old and of course no longer available. I found that local machine shops
have access to every imaginable id/od bushings, steel, brass, oil
impregnated ... you name it. I got exactly what I needed for $2, tool
works like new. IF that is your problem, get out your calipers, contact
your local machine shops.
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
The dimensions are right in the plans, as the part number.
Bushing 065 x .375 x 2.313
Should be able to disconnect everything from the stick base, so that it
is only pivoting on the bushing, and then examine where the slop is. The
plans note that you may need to ream the bushing for AN-4 bolt. Best to
start with an undersize reamer. Note the tolerance for an AN-4 is as
small as 0.246. Perhaps a different, larger tolerance bolt might be what
is need. Range is .246 to .249.
Perhaps you could have done too much deburring on the bushing or ID of
stick base??
Steps 1 and 2 on page 39-8 are the key.
I know that when something doesn't seem right to me, better than 50%
chance I am misreading the plans or not seeing/understanding something.
On 2/7/2016 7:11 AM, kboatright1@comcast.net wrote:
> Measure your bushing and ask Vans what size it is supposed to be. No
> sense in buying (and shipping) more bushings unless the bushing is the
> problem.
> *From:* Phillip Perry <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:56 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Control Stick Slop - Bushings
> Yeah, I think its the gap between the OD of the bushing and the ID of
> the control stick base Jesse.
> I can take the stick and not just rock it forward and aft, but I can
> actually pick the stick up (vertically) and set it back down. So the
> slop is somewhere on the inside of the control stick base.
> I'll have to either build a custom bushing for my bases with a local
> machine shop, or buy new parts. For simplicities sake, I'm leaning
> toward buying new parts and that's why I'd like to buy replacement
> bushings only at this point. The cost to replacement bases is really
> high compared to a few bucks for a bushing. So I'll just roll the dice
> with the bushing if I can find the replacement part number on Vans
> site. I might have to give them a call on Monday because I can't find
> it anywhere on the site.
> Phil
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>
> <jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>>
>
> Are you talking about the OD of the bushing being undersized? I have
> seen that before, although usually stick slop is because the bushing
> is too long and the stick base can slide forward/back on the
> bushing. In this case, just shorten the busing. If it's the bushing
> OD, then the only option is to get a bigger OD on the bushing or a
> new stick base and hope it fits tighter.
>
> In use, you don't really notice it in flight in my experience,
> although any excess movement will cause wear in the long run.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:12 AM, RV10@TEXASRV10.COM
> <mailto:RV10@TEXASRV10.COM> <rv10@texasrv10.com
> <mailto:rv10@texasrv10.com>> wrote:
> >
> <mailto:RV10@TEXASRV10.COM>" <rv10@texasrv10.com
> <mailto:rv10@texasrv10.com>>
> >
> > Thick/thin washer for the slop can help. A pain to insert but may
> work for your case.
> >
> > Gaylon Koenning
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 20:33, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've managed to run into the control stick slop that a handful
> of other people have reported. It looks like the bushing I have is
> undersized or the bell crank hole is over sized. I haven't dug far
> enough into to determine which it is, but I'm betting it's the
> welded part (IE: Bell Crank).
> >>
> >> I've thought about building a custom bushing, but thought I'd
> order one more set from Vans and be extremely careful in prepping
> it, to remove as much slop as possible before going any further down
> the path.
> >>
> >> Looking on Vans site this evening, I can't find that bushing
> anywhere for purchase. It's labeled as BUSHING 065 x .375 x 2.313.
> >>
> >> Have any of you successfully ordered as 2nd set from Vans? Just
> wondering it it could be hiding under a different stock number.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
I found the slop in mine too. I threw away the original bushings and made some
out of Delrin. They are silky smooth now with no play.
--------
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
530 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Slop - Bushings |
Yeah, I knew you had switched them over. I think they were still brass
when we flew in Salt Lake because I remember you mentioning it. Yours
were pretty similar to how mine are.
Did you machine them with the lathe? I'm wondering what the chances are of
me managing to machine some on a drill press. I might be able to find
someone with a lathe here at KPWG, but curious to hear how you built them.
Phil
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Strasnuts <sean@planearound.com> wrote:
>
> I found the slop in mine too. I threw away the original bushings and made
> some out of Delrin. They are silky smooth now with no play.
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
> 530 hours
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452663#452663
>
>
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