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1. 01:01 AM - Re: P Mags (Bob Turner)
2. 01:07 AM - Re: Re: P Mags (Rob Kermanj)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: P Mags (Ron Walker)
4. 04:22 AM - Re: P Mags (Linn Walters)
5. 04:56 AM - Re: P Mags (Ron Walker)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: P Mags (Tim Olson)
7. 05:20 AM - Re: Re: P Mags (Kelly McMullen)
8. 05:49 AM - Re: P Mags (Carlos Trigo)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: P Mags (Kelly McMullen)
10. 06:03 AM - Re: P Mags (Rob Kermanj)
11. 06:10 AM - Re: P Mags (Danny Riggs)
12. 08:15 AM - Re: P Mags (Carl Froehlich)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: P Mags (Kyle Boatright)
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I was not aware that the 6 cylinder P-mags were available. How long have they been
selling them?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453203#453203
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you guys wake up early!
I have been on their list for the past two yrs and was not even notified
that they are avilable. Perhaps I was don in th elist.
do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:00 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
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> RV-10 QB
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Latest from their web site:
Note 1/20/16: We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six
cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release.
At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and
electronics, in preparation for production. Deliveries of proof-sets
were pushed back. Engineering has not yet released them for assembly,
but is expected soon.
On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:
> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list
> used them and have a report?
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> Albert Gardner
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> RV-10 N991RV
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> Yuma, AZ
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This is interesting ....
My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because
he wasn't ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be
surprised .....
Linn
On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:
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> Latest from their web site:
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> Note 1/20/16: We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six
> cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release.
> At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and
> electronics, in preparation for production. Deliveries of proof-sets
> were pushed back. Engineering has not yet released them for assembly,
> but is expected soon.
>
> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:
>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list
>> used them and have a report?
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>>
>> RV-10 N991RV
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>> Yuma, AZ
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I sent a deposit in I think last August when they were expecting
shipments to commence some time in October. I have since acquired a pair
of one-overhaul slick mags and am about to pull the trigger and install
them. Perhaps a good thing - get thru the first 40 hrs with decades old
proven technology.
--Ron
On 2/26/2016 6:22 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
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> This is interesting ....
> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because
> he wasn't ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be
> surprised .....
> Linn
>
> On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:
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>> Latest from their web site:
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>> Note 1/20/16: We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six
>> cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release.
>> At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and
>> electronics, in preparation for production. Deliveries of proof-sets
>> were pushed back. Engineering has not yet released them for assembly,
>> but is expected soon.
>>
>> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:
>>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list
>>> used them and have a report?
>>>
>>> Albert Gardner
>>>
>>> RV-10 N991RV
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>>> Yuma, AZ
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But if you go by the past promises to deliveries ratio and put it on
a timeline graph, that means people should have them in hand shortly
after the 2020 ADS-B mandate takes effect....and that they should have
enough hours on them with customers to become a viable proven option
sometime a couple years later.
Tim
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On 2/26/2016 5:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:
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> Latest from their web site:
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> Note 1/20/16: We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six
> cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release.
> At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and
> electronics, in preparation for production. Deliveries of proof-sets
> were pushed back. Engineering has not yet released them for assembly,
> but is expected soon.
>
> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:
>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list
>> used them and have a report?
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>>
>> RV-10 N991RV
>>
>> Yuma, AZ
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From their web site it appears they may be shipping to those that
pre-ordered, but even that is in doubt. Clearly not available to
purchase on open market.
On 2/26/2016 2:00 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
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> I was not aware that the 6 cylinder P-mags were available. How long have they
been selling them?
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453203#453203
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Guys
For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what
the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.
TIA
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 26/02/2016, s 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> escreveu:
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> This is interesting ....
> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't
ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be surprised
.....
> Linn
>
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1. Installing them makes your engine a non-starter. (8^) It appears none
are available.
2. Makes completion date unpredictable.....they have been promised any
day now for at least the past 10 years.
OK...if they ever get out the door, they are electronic ignition that
incorporates an alternator in the unit sufficient to keep it firing if
your electrical system fails. They have had a mostly successful 4 cyl
product for around 15 years or more.
However, a friend with a badly behaving electrical system managed to fry
(technical term) his P mag and the E mag resulting in engine stoppage
about 400 ft in air from takeoff. He made it back to tell about
it...airframe was RV-7A.
I went with Bendix magnetos, and will consider other options after I
have 500 hours on them. There are other electronic ignition systems out
there. Most need to retain one mag for backup, or dual electrical
systems to provide independence from main electrical system or one on
each system.
IF E mag (company name and original product that didn't have the
alternator) ever get 6 cyl version out the door, at some point, once
proven, would give ability to have dual electronic ignition without
having to have dual electrical system.
On 2/26/2016 6:46 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
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> Guys
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> For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what
the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.
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> TIA
> Carlos
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> Enviado do meu iPhone
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> No dia 26/02/2016, s 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> escreveu:
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>> This is interesting ....
>> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't
ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
>> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be surprised
.....
>> Linn
>>
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Carlos, I think they re talking about this product:
Rob Kermanj
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> On Feb 26, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
wrote:
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> Guys
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> For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please
explain what the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.
>
> TIA
> Carlos
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> Enviado do meu iPhone
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> No dia 26/02/2016, =C3-s 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
escreveu:
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>> This is interesting ....
>> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags
because he wasn't ready for them and freed his up for another customer
.....
>> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be
surprised .....
>> Linn
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Still just "vapor ware" I'm afraid.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> This is interesting ....
> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't
ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be surprised
.....
> Linn
>
>> On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:
>>
>> Latest from their web site:
>>
>> Note 1/20/16: We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six cylinder (Series
200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release. At this point, we are
still cleaning up the operating code and electronics, in preparation for production.
Deliveries of proof-sets were pushed back. Engineering has not yet
released them for assembly, but is expected soon.
>>
>>> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:
>>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list
>>> used them and have a report?
>>>
>>> Albert Gardner
>>>
>>> RV-10 N991RV
>>>
>>> Yuma, AZ
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Carlos,
I'm one of those RV-10 guys flying with stock mags - cursing them at every engine
start and at every annual when I have to do maintenance and clean these grossly
overpriced sparkplugs.
I have many happy years flying behind two four cylinder pMag in my now sold RV-8A.
I installed them after repeated failures of a dual Lightspeed ignition install.
I'm happy to report that after 600+ hours the pMags have been flawless.
The attributes follow what you would expect with electronic ignitions:
- easy start
- no plug fouling
- smooth LOP engine operation - all the way to when you lean it out so much it
stops.
- use of automotive spark plugs (cheap enough to just replace at every annual)
- elimination of issues like 500 hour mag maintenance
- each pMag has its own power generator - so the old back up battery mess of other
electronic ignitions is eliminated
- advance timing curve to gain engine efficiently in cruise
I (and many others) ping Brad at eMag several times a year to get out the six cylinder
version. I understand their business plan is to make this model certified
for spam cans so they are going through the regulatory maze. While they
will first come out with an experimental version, I suspect they want to do their
due diligence so that nothing distracts from the larger prize. I'm guessing
this will also be the platform to come out with a new, spam can certified four
cylinder model down the line.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: P Mags
Guys
For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what
the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.
TIA
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 26/02/2016, s 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> escreveu:
>
> This is interesting ....
> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't
ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be surprised
.....
> Linn
>
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Have you considered the 6 cylinder solution from SDS?
It is available now, and (IMO) has advantages and disadvantages compared to PMags.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:14 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
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> Carlos,
>
> I'm one of those RV-10 guys flying with stock mags - cursing them at every engine
start and at every annual when I have to do maintenance and clean these grossly
overpriced sparkplugs.
>
> I have many happy years flying behind two four cylinder pMag in my now sold RV-8A.
I installed them after repeated failures of a dual Lightspeed ignition
install. I'm happy to report that after 600+ hours the pMags have been flawless.
The attributes follow what you would expect with electronic ignitions:
> - easy start
> - no plug fouling
> - smooth LOP engine operation - all the way to when you lean it out so much it
stops.
> - use of automotive spark plugs (cheap enough to just replace at every annual)
> - elimination of issues like 500 hour mag maintenance
> - each pMag has its own power generator - so the old back up battery mess of
other electronic ignitions is eliminated
> - advance timing curve to gain engine efficiently in cruise
>
> I (and many others) ping Brad at eMag several times a year to get out the six
cylinder version. I understand their business plan is to make this model certified
for spam cans so they are going through the regulatory maze. While they
will first come out with an experimental version, I suspect they want to do
their due diligence so that nothing distracts from the larger prize. I'm guessing
this will also be the platform to come out with a new, spam can certified
four cylinder model down the line.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: P Mags
>
>
> Guys
>
> For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what
the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.
>
> TIA
> Carlos
>
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> No dia 26/02/2016, s 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> escreveu:
>
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>> This is interesting ....
>> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't
ready for them and freed his up for another customer .....
>> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close. He'll be surprised
.....
>> Linn
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