---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/19/16: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 PM - Matronics Web Server Back Online (Matt Dralle) 2. 02:03 PM - Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online (Bob Turner) 3. 02:09 PM - Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 4. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online (Matt Dralle) 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 6. 03:38 PM - Powering the EFIS system (Carlos Trigo) 7. 04:26 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (Andrew Long) 8. 04:26 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (Phillip Perry) 9. 07:19 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (davidsoutpost) 10. 07:36 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (Linn Walters) 11. 07:56 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (David Clifford) 12. 08:39 PM - Re: Powering the EFIS system (Linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:35 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Matronics Web Server Back Online Dear Listers, The Matronics Web server lost a critical system hard drive yesterday 4/18/2016. I have been working feverishly for the last 24 hours to repair the system and get the Matronics Forums and other web-based resources back online. Email services were not impacted in anyway. I'm happy to report that as of about 1:30 PDT on Tuesday 4/19/2016 the system is back online and all resources were successfully restored from a backup. My apologies for the down time. Matt Dralle Matronics Email and Forum Admin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online From: "Bob Turner" Matt, It is so good to hear that you're able to work on this! But make sure you put your health above everything else. How are you doing? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455220#455220 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:36 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matronics Web Server Back Online Gals you are back. Regards, Robert N 661G Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Dear Listers, > > The Matronics Web server lost a critical system hard drive yesterday 4/18/2016. I have been working feverishly for the last 24 hours to repair the system and get the Matronics Forums and other web-based resources back online. > > Email services were not impacted in anyway. > > I'm happy to report that as of about 1:30 PDT on Tuesday 4/19/2016 the system is back online and all resources were successfully restored from a backup. > > My apologies for the down time. > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email and Forum Admin > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:54 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online I'm recovering well. Back to work on May 2nd. Even driving now for a couple of weeks, hopefully flying the RVs again in the Summer! Matt At 02:03 PM 4/19/2016 Tuesday, you wrote: > >Matt, > >It is so good to hear that you're able to work on this! But make sure you put your health above everything else. How are you doing? > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:48 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Matronics Web Server Back Online Thank God. Great to hear! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > I'm recovering well. Back to work on May 2nd. > > Even driving now for a couple of weeks, hopefully flying the RVs again in the Summer! > > Matt > > > At 02:03 PM 4/19/2016 Tuesday, you wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> It is so good to hear that you're able to work on this! But make sure you put your health above everything else. How are you doing? >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:31 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system Group I am beginning to install the EFIS G3X system from GARMIN in the RV-10, and I have to put power into (not more not less than) 12 devices (2 Display units, 2 ADAHRS, 1 engine module, 3 autopilot servos and so on). In some devices there are 2 independent power inputs. I am trying to figure out which will be the best architecture for the power circuits to these 12 devices. I know that some of you are against the single Avionics switch, and I am leaning to agree, not including that single point of failure, but how about the distribution system? I am not searching for opinions on the breaker or fuses discussion, just to know what other people did or recommend to do with busses and circuits. I should add that I have a dual battery /dual alternator energy system. All good suggestions welcome! Thanks Carlos --- Este e-mail foi verificado em termos de v=C3=ADrus pelo software antiv=C3 =ADrus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system From: Andrew Long Hi Carlos, I can only point you to what I did and the reason. I have configured for IFR and high levels of redundancy. refer to my build log: www.ozrv10.com and see what I did. It is very much a personal decision and comfort zone. Regards, Andrew On 20-Apr-16 8:36 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Group > > I am beginning to install the EFIS G3X system from GARMIN in the > RV-10, and I have to put power into (not more not less than) _12 > devices_ (2 Display units, 2 ADAHRS, 1 engine module, 3 autopilot > servos and so on). > > In some devices there are 2 independent power inputs. > > I am trying to figure out which will be the best architecture for the > power circuits to these 12 devices. > > I know that some of you are against the single Avionics switch, and I > am leaning to agree, not including that single point of failure, but > how about the distribution system? > > I am not searching for opinions on the breaker or fuses discussion, > just to know what other people did or recommend to do with busses and > circuits. > > I should add that I have a dual battery /dual alternator energy system. > > All good suggestions welcome! > > Thanks > > Carlos > > > > Sem vrus. www.avast.com > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system From: Phillip Perry Carlos, The lid is off the can of worms. This should be interesting! I've found t hat coating my wires in chromate primer has benefits too. ;) All seriousness, though I can see people breaking out the flame throwers alr eady, what does your main buss look like? Single Alt / Single Battery? Du al alt (hot/standby) single battery, etc.... Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Group > > I am beginning to install the EFIS G3X system from GARMIN in the RV-10, an d I have to put power into (not more not less than) 12 devices (2 Display un its, 2 ADAHRS, 1 engine module, 3 autopilot servos and so on). > In some devices there are 2 independent power inputs. > > I am trying to figure out which will be the best architecture for the powe r circuits to these 12 devices. > I know that some of you are against the single Avionics switch, and I am l eaning to agree, not including that single point of failure, but how about t he distribution system? > I am not searching for opinions on the breaker or fuses discussion, just t o know what other people did or recommend to do with busses and circuits. > > I should add that I have a dual battery /dual alternator energy system. > All good suggestions welcome! > > Thanks > Carlos > > > > > > > > Sem v=C3=ADrus. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system From: davidsoutpost CiAgICAKQWxsIG15IGF2aW9uaWNzIG9wZXJhdGUgb2ZmIGEgc2VwYXJhdGUgYnVzcyB3aGljaCBp cyBhIGJsYWRlIGZ1c2UgYmxvY2suIMKgTXkgc2luZ2xlIGF2aW9uaWNzIHN3aXRjaCBvcGVyYXRl cyBhIG1pbmlhdHVyZSAzMCBhbXAgcmVsYXkgdGhhdCBwb3dlcnMgdGhlIGJsb2NrLgoKClNlbnQg ZnJvbSBteSBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzIDRHIExURSBzbWFydHBob25lCgotLS0tLS0tLSBPcmln aW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tCkZyb206IENhcmxvcyBUcmlnbyA8dHJpZ29AbWFpbC50ZWxl cGFjLnB0PiAKRGF0ZTogMDQvMTkvMjAxNiAgNjozNiBQTSAgKEdNVC0wNTowMCkgClRvOiBhZXJv ZWxlY3RyaWMtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tLCBydjEwLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSAKU3Vi amVjdDogUlYxMC1MaXN0OiBQb3dlcmluZyB0aGUgRUZJUyBzeXN0ZW0gCgo8IS0tCi8qIEZvbnQg RGVmaW5pdGlvbnMgKi8KQGZvbnQtZmFjZQoJe2ZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OkNhbGlicmk7CglwYW5vc2Ut MToyIDE1IDUgMiAyIDIgNCAzIDIgNDt9Ci8qIFN0eWxlIERlZmluaXRpb25zICovCnAuTXNvTm9y bWFsLCBsaS5Nc29Ob3JtYWwsIGRpdi5Nc29Ob3JtYWwKCXttYXJnaW46MGNtOwoJbWFyZ2luLWJv dHRvbTouMDAwMXB0OwoJZm9udC1zaXplOjExLjBwdDsKCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OiJDYWxpYnJpIiwi c2Fucy1zZXJpZiI7Cgltc28tZmFyZWFzdC1sYW5ndWFnZTpFTi1VUzt9CmE6bGluaywgc3Bhbi5N c29IeXBlcmxpbmsKCXttc28tc3R5bGUtcHJpb3JpdHk6OTk7Cgljb2xvcjpibHVlOwoJdGV4dC1k ZWNvcmF0aW9uOnVuZGVybGluZTt9CmE6dmlzaXRlZCwgc3Bhbi5Nc29IeXBlcmxpbmtGb2xsb3dl ZAoJe21zby1zdHlsZS1wcmlvcml0eTo5OTsKCWNvbG9yOnB1cnBsZTsKCXRleHQtZGVjb3JhdGlv bjp1bmRlcmxpbmU7fQpzcGFuLkVtYWlsU3R5bGUxNwoJe21zby1zdHlsZS10eXBlOnBlcnNvbmFs LWNvbXBvc2U7Cglmb250LWZhbWlseToiQXJpYWwiLCJzYW5zLXNlcmlmIjsKCWNvbG9yOndpbmRv d3RleHQ7fQouTXNvQ2hwRGVmYXVsdAoJe21zby1zdHlsZS10eXBlOmV4cG9ydC1vbmx5OwoJZm9u dC1mYW1pbHk6IkNhbGlicmkiLCJzYW5zLXNlcmlmIjsKCW1zby1mYXJlYXN0LWxhbmd1YWdlOkVO LVVTO30KQHBhZ2UgV29yZFNlY3Rpb24xCgl7c2l6ZTo2MTIuMHB0IDc5Mi4wcHQ7CgltYXJnaW46 NzAuODVwdCAzLjBjbSA3MC44NXB0IDMuMGNtO30KZGl2LldvcmRTZWN0aW9uMQoJe3BhZ2U6V29y ZFNlY3Rpb24xO30KLS0+R3JvdXDCoEkgYW0gYmVnaW5uaW5nIHRvIGluc3RhbGwgdGhlIEVGSVMg RzNYIHN5c3RlbSBmcm9tIEdBUk1JTiBpbiB0aGUgUlYtMTAsIGFuZCBJIGhhdmUgdG8gcHV0IHBv d2VyIGludG8gKG5vdCBtb3JlIG5vdCBsZXNzIHRoYW4pIDEyIGRldmljZXMgKDIgRGlzcGxheSB1 bml0cywgMiBBREFIUlMsIDEgZW5naW5lIG1vZHVsZSwgMyBhdXRvcGlsb3Qgc2Vydm9zIGFuZCBz byBvbikuSW4gc29tZSBkZXZpY2VzIHRoZXJlIGFyZSAyIGluZGVwZW5kZW50IHBvd2VyIGlucHV0 cy7CoEkgYW0gdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGZpZ3VyZSBvdXQgd2hpY2ggd2lsbCBiZSB0aGUgYmVzdCBhcmNo aXRlY3R1cmUgZm9yIHRoZSBwb3dlciBjaXJjdWl0cyB0byB0aGVzZSAxMiBkZXZpY2VzLkkga25v dyB0aGF0IHNvbWUgb2YgeW91IGFyZSBhZ2FpbnN0IHRoZSBzaW5nbGUgQXZpb25pY3Mgc3dpdGNo LCBhbmQgSSBhbSBsZWFuaW5nIHRvIGFncmVlLCBub3QgaW5jbHVkaW5nIHRoYXQgc2luZ2xlIHBv aW50IG9mIGZhaWx1cmUsIGJ1dCBob3cgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbiBzeXN0ZW0/SSBh bSBub3Qgc2VhcmNoaW5nIGZvciBvcGluaW9ucyBvbiB0aGUgYnJlYWtlciBvciBmdXNlcyBkaXNj dXNzaW9uLCBqdXN0IHRvIGtub3cgd2hhdCBvdGhlciBwZW9wbGUgZGlkIG9yIHJlY29tbWVuZCB0 byBkbyB3aXRoIGJ1c3NlcyBhbmQgY2lyY3VpdHMuwqBJIHNob3VsZCBhZGQgdGhhdCBJIGhhdmUg YSBkdWFsIGJhdHRlcnkgL2R1YWwgYWx0ZXJuYXRvciBlbmVyZ3kgc3lzdGVtLkFsbCBnb29kIHN1 Z2dlc3Rpb25zIHdlbGNvbWUhwqBUaGFua3NDYXJsb3PCoCDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAKIAoJCiAgICAg IAoJCVNlbSB2w61ydXMuIHd3dy5hdmFzdC5jb20gCQkKCQoK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system From: Linn Walters On 4/19/2016 10:17 PM, davidsoutpost wrote: > All my avionics operate off a separate buss which is a blade fuse > block. My single avionics switch operates a miniature 30 amp relay > that powers the block. To minimize the single point failure mode, you should wire the switch to remove power to the relay in the 'on' position, and wire the relay so that when the relay is off it supplies power to the avionics fuses. No matter which part fails .... the switch or the relay ..... the avionics fuse block still gets power. Linn ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:28 PM PST US From: David Clifford Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system So I understand this,,,,the buss will always have power to it no matter the switch position? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linn Walters" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:34:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system On 4/19/2016 10:17 PM, davidsoutpost wrote: All my avionics operate off a separate buss which is a blade fuse block. My single avionics switch operates a miniature 30 amp relay that powers the block. To minimize the single point failure mode, you should wire the switch to remove power to the relay in the 'on' position, and wire the relay so that when the relay is off it supplies power to the avionics fuses. No matter which part fails .... the switch or the relay ..... the avionics fuse block still gets power. Linn ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system From: Linn Walters On 4/19/2016 10:55 PM, David Clifford wrote: > So I understand this,,,,the buss will always have power to it no > matter the switch position? No. When the SPDT switch is in the 'off' position it supplies power to the relay which is 'on' and the NC contacts remove power to the buss. It's the inverse of what most builders will do .... SP switch on, relay on to supply power to the buss through the NO contacts. With this wiring method the relay is not needed if the switch has the proper current rating. I don't know what David's panel current draw really is but think it's way less than 30 amps. Fuses are there to protect the wires from excess current, not the equipment attached. So, if you have 6 ea. 5A fuses ..... that's 30A! If every electrical item in my plane is on and stable I draw less than 6 amps. Strobes on startup and radio transmitting will add some more. Linn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Linn Walters" > *To: *rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:34:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: Powering the EFIS system > > On 4/19/2016 10:17 PM, davidsoutpost wrote: > > All my avionics operate off a separate buss which is a blade fuse > block. My single avionics switch operates a miniature 30 amp > relay that powers the block. > > To minimize the single point failure mode, you should wire the switch > to remove power to the relay in the 'on' position, and wire the relay > so that when the relay is off it supplies power to the avionics fuses. > No matter which part fails .... the switch or the relay ..... the > avionics fuse block still gets power. > Linn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.