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1. 05:39 AM - Re: EFB's (Bill Watson)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: EFB's (Rene)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: EFB's (Tim Olson)
4. 07:00 AM - Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting (Geoff Combs)
5. 11:18 AM - Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting (Lenny Iszak)
6. 03:44 PM - Re: EFB's (Bob Turner)
7. 04:02 PM - Fuselage Side Skin Dimpling (Kent Ogden)
8. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting (Geoff Combs)
9. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting (Tim Olson)
10. 08:29 PM - Sikaflex question (Tim Olson)
11. 08:34 PM - Re: Sikaflex question (Kelly McMullen)
12. 08:35 PM - Re: Fuselage Side Skin Dimpling (Tim Olson)
13. 08:41 PM - Re: Sikaflex question (Justin Jones)
14. 08:47 PM - Re: Sikaflex question (Tim Olson)
15. 09:09 PM - Re: Sikaflex question (Kelly McMullen)
16. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
17. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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I have a Navworx box and use FF so I'm looking forward to support of
traffic and weather on the iPad as well.
However, I've been flying with Navworx traffic and weather displayed on
my GRT EFIS's. Given close to 5 years of experience with this setup, I
doubt whether I will spend another $$ on getting the information on my
iPad. Why? Traffic and weather, especially traffic, is something I
want to primarily see on my EFIS map and PFD display. That's where I
do my actually flying and it's closer to my out the window view where
I'm trying to cross check both traffic and wx. Of course, sometimes
that view outside is somewhat limited....
OTOH, I completely depend on my FF iPad for charts, plates and
planning. I made a significant effort to mount it right under my right
hand. I even use it to copy clearances. I have no desire to see
traffic on it. Nexrad imagery would be nice for planning purposes but
I'm able to do that by cross referencing with my EFIS map. Having
Nexrad imagery and the rest of the wx on the iPad would be nice but at
this point, it's not worth $2 more than I've already spent.
Don't know your panel setup but just another experience to consider.
Bill "wondering if FF's Navworx support will include my ADS600-EXP box"
Watson
On 4/30/2016 10:10 PM, Curtis Groote wrote:
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> I haven't heard much lately on the list about EFB comparisons - FF, WingX, FlyQ,
etc. I'd like to get traffic on my iPad from my NavWorx ADS600B but Foreflight
(which I've used for a number of years, and like) doesn't support it. Any
suggestions?
>
>
> Curtis Groote
>
>
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Not to start a fight.........but Wing X connected to Navworx is my go to in
flight. Weather, traffic, and all the other data at your finger tip. I
love all the data on my GRT, but when I am in the air I like to use the
EFFIS to fly the airplane and the IPAD to look out beyond what is next to
me.......
I was already a Wing X user.......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFB's
I have a Navworx box and use FF so I'm looking forward to support of traffic
and weather on the iPad as well.
However, I've been flying with Navworx traffic and weather displayed on my
GRT EFIS's. Given close to 5 years of experience with this setup, I doubt
whether I will spend another $$ on getting the information on my iPad. Why?
Traffic and weather, especially traffic, is something I want to primarily
see on my EFIS map and PFD display. That's where I do my actually flying
and it's closer to my out the window view where I'm trying to cross check
both traffic and wx. Of course, sometimes that view outside is somewhat
limited....
OTOH, I completely depend on my FF iPad for charts, plates and planning. I
made a significant effort to mount it right under my right hand. I even use
it to copy clearances. I have no desire to see traffic on it. Nexrad
imagery would be nice for planning purposes but I'm able to do that by cross
referencing with my EFIS map. Having Nexrad imagery and the rest of the wx
on the iPad would be nice but at this point, it's not worth $2 more than
I've already spent.
Don't know your panel setup but just another experience to consider.
Bill "wondering if FF's Navworx support will include my ADS600-EXP box"
Watson
On 4/30/2016 10:10 PM, Curtis Groote wrote:
>
> I haven't heard much lately on the list about EFB comparisons - FF, WingX,
FlyQ, etc. I'd like to get traffic on my iPad from my NavWorx ADS600B but
Foreflight (which I've used for a number of years, and like) doesn't support
it. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Curtis Groote
>
>
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I basically agree with Bill Watson, myself. I think WX and traffic are important
to have available on the MFD, so I have them there, you don't want to have to
look down or away to deal with traffic, and having the WX display on your MFD
allows you to deviate around it with vectors from ATC and see it all happen.
I think you can get by without it on the iPad though...but you don't have to,
so why not have it both places. With the current NavWorX software you have two
serial outputs, so one goes to the EFIS and one to a wifi adapter, and that
gives you both. It's very simple to wire up.
When it comes to apps, I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. With FlyQ I have a
lifetime subscription...so I would love it if I could say they are as stable and
good as the others....but they aren't. They were doing well until their last
version upgrade. It crashes too much (I think due to some NavWorX data stream
info) for me to recommend it right now. WingX is easily my favorite for in
flight and approach use. Foreflight is easily my favorite for pre-flight planning.
If you have to have just one app, I would lean towards Foreflight because
it is so good at preflight planning and plan filing. But if you are mainly
concerned with flying approaches I would use wingX. I like it enough that
I recently paid another 3 year subscription for it, as it is very handy for inflight
use.
Hopefully by the time the subscription is up, FlyQ will be all working perfectly.
ForeFlights biggest problem is its "closed-ness" in not supporting all ADS-B systems.
If they support them all, it would be much harder to pick a different
software, as at that point it's just the fact that for in flight approach loading
it would be slower and more clumsy...but do-able.
Tim
> On May 1, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not to start a fight.........but Wing X connected to Navworx is my go to in
> flight. Weather, traffic, and all the other data at your finger tip. I
> love all the data on my GRT, but when I am in the air I like to use the
> EFFIS to fly the airplane and the IPAD to look out beyond what is next to
> me.......
>
> I was already a Wing X user.......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 6:37 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: EFB's
>
>
> I have a Navworx box and use FF so I'm looking forward to support of traffic
> and weather on the iPad as well.
>
> However, I've been flying with Navworx traffic and weather displayed on my
> GRT EFIS's. Given close to 5 years of experience with this setup, I doubt
> whether I will spend another $$ on getting the information on my iPad. Why?
> Traffic and weather, especially traffic, is something I want to primarily
> see on my EFIS map and PFD display. That's where I do my actually flying
> and it's closer to my out the window view where I'm trying to cross check
> both traffic and wx. Of course, sometimes that view outside is somewhat
> limited....
>
> OTOH, I completely depend on my FF iPad for charts, plates and planning. I
> made a significant effort to mount it right under my right hand. I even use
> it to copy clearances. I have no desire to see traffic on it. Nexrad
> imagery would be nice for planning purposes but I'm able to do that by cross
> referencing with my EFIS map. Having Nexrad imagery and the rest of the wx
> on the iPad would be nice but at this point, it's not worth $2 more than
> I've already spent.
>
> Don't know your panel setup but just another experience to consider.
>
> Bill "wondering if FF's Navworx support will include my ADS600-EXP box"
> Watson
>
>
>> On 4/30/2016 10:10 PM, Curtis Groote wrote:
>>
>> I haven't heard much lately on the list about EFB comparisons - FF, WingX,
> FlyQ, etc. I'd like to get traffic on my iPad from my NavWorx ADS600B but
> Foreflight (which I've used for a number of years, and like) doesn't support
> it. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> Curtis Groote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting |
Looking for some feedback from anyone that has recently upgraded their
NavWorx ADSB unit. I am looking to verify the wiring diagram that Navworxs
supplies in their current manual. I am really interested in the upgrade with
units with a Garmin 330 transponder. My previous configuration was working
great and with the upgrade it calls for the addition of 2 wires one going
from pin 35 NavWorx to the suppression pin #41 on the 330 transponder. And
then pin #3 Navworx box to +5vdc to +5vdc transponder.
Anyone out there that has gone thru this
Thanks Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting |
Geoff,
What's the reason for suppressing the output of the GTX330? They transmit on different
frequencies. The GTX is on 1090 and the UAT is on 978.
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455723#455723
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Another vote for Bill.
I use a Skyradar D2 which sends traffic and weather to both my GRT HX (usually
I split the screen) and iPad with WingX. I only use the iPad if someone else is
flying and I want to play around with it. Great backup, though.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455735#455735
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| Subject: | Fuselage Side Skin Dimpling |
I have a question about the fuselage mid side skin dimpling. The
instructions say to dimple all of the 3/32" holes that were drilled to the
understructure. However, the corresponding holes in the F-1015A outboard
seat ribs were not dimpled. They weren't specifically excluded from
dimpling, but there was no step where they were dimpled so I didn't do it.
This is the outboard rib immediately aft of the spar carry through. I
have attached a clip of from the construction manual of this area. The
holes in the F-1018 rear seat ribs (the next rib aft of the problem ribs)
WERE dimpled as per the instructions.
It's going to be a pain to try and dimple those holes now. It looks like
many of them will be hidden in the wing root area so I was thinking of
using AN470 rivets in those holes instead of AN426. It looks like some of
the holes will be above the wing though, so I will have to figure out a
way to dimple those holes or countersink them. I do have a tight fit
dimpling set that uses a rivet puller, but the performance is barely
acceptable on thinner material. I will probably call Vans on this but I
was wondering if others have dealt with this issue and what the resolution
was.
Thanks for any thoughts/suggestions.
Kent Ogden
#40710
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting |
So you do not have ghosting
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On May 1, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> What's the reason for suppressing the output of the GTX330? They transmit on
different frequencies. The GTX is on 1090 and the UAT is on 978.
>
>
> Lenny
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455723#455723
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx upgrade new wires for ghosting |
Hi Geoff,
I have had NavWorX ADS-600B for many years. There is a lot that
changed since I first put it in back in 2009/2010. Last year I sent
my box back in to have the hardware updated, and I bought a 2nd
unit for my almost-completed RV-14. So I had the old wiring diagram
wired previously, and when I got it back, I had to re-wire a few things.
Check the manual well, you will see that there is a serial number where
things changed from a hardware perspective. I can't remember
the s/n offhand, but it's I think in the 600's or 800's. Once you verify
that you will know which diagram to wire by. If yours is the older
numbers you may want to send it in for upgrade.
Now, that said, since I was wired previously without the inhibit,
I didn't wire it when I went to the new wiring diagram either.
I have the GTX330 in the RV-10 also. It seems to work just fine
without it. I don't see ghosting. I can't say "NEVER" because a
couple times in my life when passing by specific ATC class Bravos
I've seen a couple of oddities when you are being bombarded by
terminal radar and things weren't up to snuff with something in
the overall ADS-B system. But, I've flown all over the place and it
pretty much just works well all over. So I would leave it not wired
and see how it goes, unless you for some reason have easy access to the
wiring...then maybe go for it.
Tim
On 5/1/2016 9:11 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
>
> So you do not have ghosting
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
>
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| Subject: | Sikaflex question |
Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
question, but...
I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
something super structurally tough, but just good and
sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
will a normal caulk gun work?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Sikaflex question |
Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
On 5/1/2016 8:28 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
> question, but...
>
> I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
>
> In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
> proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
> to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
> solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
> So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
> itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
> something super structurally tough, but just good and
> sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
> that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
> it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
> end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
> will a normal caulk gun work?
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Side Skin Dimpling |
Hi Kent,
I don't remember the specific rib part numbers or anything, so this is
sort of off the cuff, but...
For the rivets that will be hidden in the wing root area, I don't see why
AN470's wouldn't be fine. I think the RV-14 kit used a lot of AN470's there.
And, if you have an area where you have a handful of rivets that are
visible and you want flush rivets, I don't think I'd worry too much about
countersinking a few of them if necessary. I too don't have great luck
with the pop-rivet dimple die set. I did just tonight pull out a vice-grips
dimple die to get some real tight ones...it's a vice grips with dimple dies
welded to them. If you have one of those maybe pull it out.
It's a handy tool when you need it.
At any rate, I wouldn't stress out too much if you're only looking to
countersink a handful
Tim
On 5/1/2016 6:02 PM, Kent Ogden wrote:
> I have a question about the fuselage mid side skin dimpling. The
> instructions say to dimple all of the 3/32" holes that were drilled to
> the understructure. However, the corresponding holes in the F-1015A
> outboard seat ribs were not dimpled. They weren't specifically
> excluded from dimpling, but there was no step where they were dimpled
> so I didn't do it. This is the outboard rib immediately aft of the
> spar carry through. I have attached a clip of from the construction
> manual of this area. The holes in the F-1018 rear seat ribs (the next
> rib aft of the problem ribs) WERE dimpled as per the instructions.
>
> It's going to be a pain to try and dimple those holes now. It looks
> like many of them will be hidden in the wing root area so I was
> thinking of using AN470 rivets in those holes instead of AN426. It
> looks like some of the holes will be above the wing though, so I will
> have to figure out a way to dimple those holes or countersink them. I
> do have a tight fit dimpling set that uses a rivet puller, but the
> performance is barely acceptable on thinner material. I will probably
> call Vans on this but I was wondering if others have dealt with this
> issue and what the resolution was.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/suggestions.
>
> Kent Ogden
>
> #40710
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| Subject: | Re: Sikaflex question |
I like the 3M products. The 3200 is a good option. It's permanent, flexible, and
won't destroy the material it is applied to like 5200 will if you need to remove
it.
I've installed numerous windows with 3200, 4200, 5200 and sikaflex. Use masking
tape prior to application to control where it goes, and remove it after a few
hours before the sealant cures for a nice sharp line.
Justin
> On May 1, 2016, at 23:28, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
> question, but...
>
> I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
>
> In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
> proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
> to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
> solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
> So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
> itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
> something super structurally tough, but just good and
> sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
> that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
> it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
> end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
> will a normal caulk gun work?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sikaflex question |
How pricey do you think it would be?
The total amount would be a 1" strip around approximately
the size of the front windshield on the 10.
...
And since I see Justin Jones just chimed in, Justin, where is the 3M 3200
purchased from usually, is something that would be locally available in
say, an auto parts store?
I'm not really too worried about the adhesion, I just want something
that will be quick and easy to work with, that I can maks off
as you say, and be done with it. The screws do all the real holding.
Tim
On 5/1/2016 10:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
> easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
> and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sikaflex question |
IIRC it was around $50 for a cartridge. I think Geoff has price up on
his Aerosport Modeling website.
On 5/1/2016 8:47 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> How pricey do you think it would be?
>
> The total amount would be a 1" strip around approximately
> the size of the front windshield on the 10.
>
> ...
>
> And since I see Justin Jones just chimed in, Justin, where is the 3M 3200
> purchased from usually, is something that would be locally available in
> say, an auto parts store?
>
> I'm not really too worried about the adhesion, I just want something
> that will be quick and easy to work with, that I can maks off
> as you say, and be done with it. The screws do all the real holding.
> Tim
>
>
> On 5/1/2016 10:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
>> easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
>> and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
>>
>>
>
>
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The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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