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1. 06:55 AM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (Alan Mekler MD)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (kearney)
3. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Phillip Perry)
4. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Alan Mekler MD)
5. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Kyle Boatright)
6. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Les Kearney)
7. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Aircraft Specialty)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Jesse Saint)
9. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Deems Davis)
10. 04:01 PM - Fw: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Tim Olson)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Marcus Cooper)
12. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Tim Olson)
13. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (John Cox)
14. 07:08 PM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (dmaib@me.com)
15. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Kelly McMullen)
16. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Marcus Cooper)
17. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
looks pretty involved
requires removing ailerons
Alan
> On May 7, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
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> New 'before further flight' SB on Vans web site. Inspect aft spar for cracks
at inboard ailleron attach point.
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> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455969#455969
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
HI
Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the average
annual inspection might not catch.
Cheers
Les
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
The most nagging thing about this SB is:
1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apart
next year.
4) The icing on the cake is this one:
NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preventa
tive measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fully a
ssembled is not recommended
Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspect
ion cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find some
thing.
I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the
future without removal.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> HI
>
> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the
average annual inspection might not catch.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
If no cracks have been found then why is the service bulletin do before the n
ext flight and not at the next inspection
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>
> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>
> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>
> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apa
rt next year.
>
> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>
> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preven
tative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been full
y assembled is not recommended
>
> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspe
ction cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find so
mething.
>
> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t
he future without removal.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> HI
>>
>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that th
e average annual inspection might not catch.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use o
f the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>
> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>
> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>
> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apa
rt next year.
>
> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>
> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preven
tative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been full
y assembled is not recommended
>
> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspe
ction cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find so
mething.
>
> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t
he future without removal.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> HI
>>
>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that th
e average annual inspection might not catch.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without disas
sembly?
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use
of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>
>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>
>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>
>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all ap
art next year.
>>
>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>
>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preve
ntative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been ful
ly assembled is not recommended
>>
>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the insp
ection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s
omething.
>>
>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t
he future without removal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> HI
>>>
>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t
he average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
I'm working on that at the moment. Hoping a 5.5mm camera and a 90 mirror wi
ll do the trick. No sense in making this more difficult than it needs to be
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 15:57, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without dis
assembly?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme us
e of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>
>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>
>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>
>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a
part next year.
>>>
>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>
>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a prev
entative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fu
lly assembled is not recommended
>>>
>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the ins
pection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s
omething.
>>>
>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in
the future without removal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t
he average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope instea
d of removing the ailerons.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without dis
assembly?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme us
e of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>
>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>
>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>
>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a
part next year.
>>>
>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>
>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a prev
entative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fu
lly assembled is not recommended
>>>
>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the ins
pection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s
omething.
>>>
>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in
the future without removal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t
he average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
Hey guys
I just got back from the airport. We have a trip planned for tomorrow and I
wanted to get this done before we leave. I found no cracks. I DO have a tip
that should address some of of these concerns.
I did NOT fully remove the ailerons. I DID disconnect the push rod control.
when you do that, with the flaps full down you can prop the other aileron
full up, and that gives you enough room to get a dremel or drill into cut
off the gap seal covering the 2 rivets you can't see otherwise. One one
side I used a Dremel cut off disc and then cleaned it up with a burr, On
the other side I used a #27 drill and cleaned it up with a burr. Seemed the
same both ways, The trickiest part is removing and replacing the screw/bolt
and nut/washers. There's not a lot of room for fingers Going SLOW and fuel
lube to help hold things in place worked wonders. Total time for both sides
was 1:45 mins and most of you should know that I'm NOT the fastest wrench
around. With the gap seal trimmed, subsequent inspections should be 30 mins
or less.
Deems
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope
> instead of removing the ailerons.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without
> disassembly?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use
> of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>
> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>
> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>
> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all
> apart next year.
>
> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>
> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a
> preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have
> been fully assembled is not recommended
>
> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the
> inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you
> find something.
>
> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in
> the future without removal.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> HI
>
> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the
> average annual inspection might not catch.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
I'm guessing they want it done before the next flight so they can get an ide
a of how many people of various models are going to have this problem. Once
we have maybe 100 Rv10's report back, you should have a good idea if it'll b
e an issue or not. Tim
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> From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
> Date: May 8, 2016 at 2:55:52 PM CDT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin
>
> If no cracks have been found then why is the service bulletin do before th
e next flight and not at the next inspection
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>
>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>
>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>
>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all ap
art next year.
>>
>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>
>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preve
ntative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been ful
ly assembled is not recommended
>>
>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the insp
ection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s
omething.
>>
>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t
he future without removal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> HI
>>>
>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t
he average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99
($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and
get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I
looked.
http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html
Marcus
On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope
instead of removing the ailerons.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
<mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without
disassembly?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net
<mailto:kboatright1@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid
extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get
cracks...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
<mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>
>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>
>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>
>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it
all apart next year.
>>>
>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>
>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a
preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have
been fully assembled is not recommended
>>>
>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the
inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until
you find something.
>>>
>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be
inspected in the future without removal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
<mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>>
<mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>>
>>>>
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something
that the average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977>
>>>>
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That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few years
back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head was to
o large to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the resolution w
as so poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make sure it's re
turnable. I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't break the ba
nk.
Tim
> On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 ($1
69.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and get on
e. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked.
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope inst
ead of removing the ailerons.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without di
sassembly?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote
:
>>>
>>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme u
se of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>>
>>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>>
>>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a
part next year.
>>>>
>>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a pre
ventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been f
ully assembled is not recommended
>>>>
>>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the in
spection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find
something.
>>>>
>>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected i
n the future without removal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HI
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that
the average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of 7mm
with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one with Hook,
90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com. They come in lengths
from 2 meters to 5 meters. Just an idea.
John Cox
On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few
> years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head
> was too large to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the
> resolution was so poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make
> sure it's returnable. I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't
> break the bank.
> Tim
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99
> ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and
> get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked.
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope
> instead of removing the ailerons.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without
> disassembly?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use
> of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>
> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>
> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>
> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all
> apart next year.
>
> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>
> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a
> preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have
> been fully assembled is not recommended
>
> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the
> inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you
> find something.
>
> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in
> the future without removal.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> HI
>
> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the
> average annual inspection might not catch.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Saervice Bulletin |
I think I have the same on from Harbor Freight that Tim is talking about. I bought
it several years ago and it has been of limited use to me. This one that Marcus
mentioned seems to have pretty good customer reviews.
Deems, thanks for your tips. Sounds like a MUCH easier way to comply. BTW, I just
got my airplane out of the paint shop on Wednesday and reinstalled the ailerons,
only to get home and find this SB! grrrr..... :x
Tim Olson wrote:
> That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few years
back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head was too large
to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the resolution was so
poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable.
I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank.
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
>
> > Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 ($169.99
with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and get one.
Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked.
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html)
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> > I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope instead
of removing the ailerons. Jesse SaintSaint Aviation, Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com (jesse@saintaviation.com)
> > C: 352-427-0285
> > F: 815-377-3694
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without disassembly?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > LesSent from my iPhone
> > > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme
use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks...
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The most nagging thing about this SB is:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all
apart next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preventative
measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fully
assembled is not recommended
> > > > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the
inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find
something.
> > > > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected
in the future without removal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote:
> > > > >
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
I bought one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Hooked up to my laptop I can take photos or video. The articulating head
is the primary attraction. Insert in cylinder, bend head 180 degrees to
look at valves. Bend 90 to look at cylinder walls.
On 5/8/2016 5:44 PM, John Cox wrote:
> A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of
> 7mm with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one
> with Hook, 90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com
> <http://www.banggood.com>. They come in lengths from 2 meters to 5
> meters. Just an idea.
>
> John Cox
>
> On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote:
>
> That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a
> few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a
> waste. The head was too large to do anything useful for cylinder
> inspections, and the resolution was so poor it was hard to see much
> detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable. I hope some day
> I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank.
> Tim
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for
>> $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to
>> break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just
>> the first place I looked.
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a
>> borescope instead of removing the ailerons.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
>> F: 815-377-3694 <tel:815-377-3694>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used
>>> without disassembly?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net
>>> <mailto:kboatright1@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid
>>>> extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get
>>>> cracks...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take
>>>>> it all apart next year.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin
>>>>> as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on
>>>>> wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended
>>>>>
>>>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close
>>>>> out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and
>>>>> over again until you find something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be
>>>>> inspected in the future without removal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
>>>>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like
>>>>>> something that the average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ========================== - The RV10-List
>>>>>> Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>>> <http://emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; -
>>>>>> NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI
>>>>>> -__http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution><================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
Another Amazon option, not as elegant, but a whole lot cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Crenova-Megapixel-Endoscope-Waterproof-Inspection/dp/B016KUGVJC/ref=pd_cp_421_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=05FC7G26DFW7MQCD39QA
Seems like it might just work.
Marcus
On May 8, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
I bought one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Hooked up to my laptop I can take photos or video. The articulating head is the
primary attraction. Insert in cylinder, bend head 180 degrees to look at valves.
Bend 90 to look at cylinder walls.
On 5/8/2016 5:44 PM, John Cox wrote:
> A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of
> 7mm with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one
> with Hook, 90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com
> <http://www.banggood.com>. They come in lengths from 2 meters to 5
> meters. Just an idea.
>
> John Cox
>
> On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote:
>
> That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a
> few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a
> waste. The head was too large to do anything useful for cylinder
> inspections, and the resolution was so poor it was hard to see much
> detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable. I hope some day
> I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for
>> $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to
>> break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just
>> the first place I looked.
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a
>> borescope instead of removing the ailerons.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
>> F: 815-377-3694 <tel:815-377-3694>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used
>>> without disassembly?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net
>>> <mailto:kboatright1@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid
>>>> extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get
>>>> cracks...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take
>>>>> it all apart next year.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin
>>>>> as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on
>>>>> wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended
>>>>>
>>>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close
>>>>> out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and
>>>>> over again until you find something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be
>>>>> inspected in the future without removal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca
>>>>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like
>>>>>> something that the average annual inspection might not catch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ========================== - The RV10-List
>>>>>> Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>>> <http://emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; -
>>>>>> NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI
>>>>>> -__http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution><================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
Kelly, that looks like an excellent value, as others I've spent for
several tries some money with just being disappointed, this gives clear
pictures with all the details and the bending head is great. Sure, I
could try another 6-7 of the cheap once but I rather have one working
and pay a bit more.
Cheers Werner
On 09.05.2016 04:11, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I bought one of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
>
>
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