---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/08/16: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:55 AM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (Alan Mekler MD) 2. 07:27 AM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (kearney) 3. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Phillip Perry) 4. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Alan Mekler MD) 5. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Kyle Boatright) 6. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Les Kearney) 7. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Aircraft Specialty) 8. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Jesse Saint) 9. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Deems Davis) 10. 04:01 PM - Fw: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Tim Olson) 11. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Marcus Cooper) 12. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (Tim Olson) 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Saervice Bulletin (John Cox) 14. 07:08 PM - Re: Saervice Bulletin (dmaib@me.com) 15. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Kelly McMullen) 16. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Marcus Cooper) 17. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Werner Schneider) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Saervice Bulletin From: Alan Mekler MD looks pretty involved requires removing ailerons Alan > On May 7, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > New 'before further flight' SB on Vans web site. Inspect aft spar for cracks at inboard ailleron attach point. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455969#455969 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:54 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: "kearney" HI Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the average annual inspection might not catch. Cheers Les Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:32 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin The most nagging thing about this SB is: 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apart next year. 4) The icing on the cake is this one: NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preventa tive measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fully a ssembled is not recommended Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspect ion cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find some thing. I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the future without removal. Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: > > > HI > > Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the average annual inspection might not catch. > > Cheers > > Les > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:43 PM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin If no cracks have been found then why is the service bulletin do before the n ext flight and not at the next inspection Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > The most nagging thing about this SB is: > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apa rt next year. > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one: > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preven tative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been full y assembled is not recommended > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspe ction cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find so mething. > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t he future without removal. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >> >> >> HI >> >> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that th e average annual inspection might not catch. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >> >> >> >> >> >> ========================= = - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=============== ========================== ===========; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution<================ ========================== >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: Kyle Boatright I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use o f the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > The most nagging thing about this SB is: > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apa rt next year. > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one: > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preven tative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been full y assembled is not recommended > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspe ction cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find so mething. > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t he future without removal. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >> >> >> HI >> >> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that th e average annual inspection might not catch. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >> >> >> >> >> >> ========================= = - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=============== ========================== ===========; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution<================ ========================== >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: Les Kearney Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without disas sembly? Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >> >> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >> >> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >> >> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >> >> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all ap art next year. >> >> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >> >> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preve ntative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been ful ly assembled is not recommended >> >> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the insp ection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s omething. >> >> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t he future without removal. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >>> >>> >>> HI >>> >>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t he average annual inspection might not catch. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================== == - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List============== ========================== ============; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http: //www.matronics.com/contribution<=============== ========================== >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:56 PM PST US From: Aircraft Specialty Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin I'm working on that at the moment. Hoping a 5.5mm camera and a 90 mirror wi ll do the trick. No sense in making this more difficult than it needs to be Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 15:57, Les Kearney wrote: > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without dis assembly? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: >> >> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme us e of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >>> >>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>> >>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>> >>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>> >>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a part next year. >>> >>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>> >>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a prev entative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fu lly assembled is not recommended >>> >>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the ins pection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s omething. >>> >>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the future without removal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> HI >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t he average annual inspection might not catch. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================== == - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List============== ========================== ============; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http: //www.matronics.com/contribution<=============== ========================== >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:17 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope instea d of removing the ailerons. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without dis assembly? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: >> >> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme us e of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >>> >>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>> >>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>> >>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>> >>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a part next year. >>> >>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>> >>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a prev entative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fu lly assembled is not recommended >>> >>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the ins pection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s omething. >>> >>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the future without removal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> HI >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t he average annual inspection might not catch. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================== == - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List============== ========================== ============; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http: //www.matronics.com/contribution<=============== ========================== >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: Deems Davis Hey guys I just got back from the airport. We have a trip planned for tomorrow and I wanted to get this done before we leave. I found no cracks. I DO have a tip that should address some of of these concerns. I did NOT fully remove the ailerons. I DID disconnect the push rod control. when you do that, with the flaps full down you can prop the other aileron full up, and that gives you enough room to get a dremel or drill into cut off the gap seal covering the 2 rivets you can't see otherwise. One one side I used a Dremel cut off disc and then cleaned it up with a burr, On the other side I used a #27 drill and cleaned it up with a burr. Seemed the same both ways, The trickiest part is removing and replacing the screw/bolt and nut/washers. There's not a lot of room for fingers Going SLOW and fuel lube to help hold things in place worked wonders. Total time for both sides was 1:45 mins and most of you should know that I'm NOT the fastest wrench around. With the gap seal trimmed, subsequent inspections should be 30 mins or less. Deems On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope > instead of removing the ailerons. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without > disassembly? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use > of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > The most nagging thing about this SB is: > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all > apart next year. > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one: > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a > preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have > been fully assembled is not recommended > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the > inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you > find something. > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in > the future without removal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: > > > HI > > Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the > average annual inspection might not catch. > > Cheers > > Les > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 > > > ========================== - The RV10-List > Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List====================================================; - > NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http://www.matronics.com/contribution > <========================================= > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:24 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Fwd: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin I'm guessing they want it done before the next flight so they can get an ide a of how many people of various models are going to have this problem. Once we have maybe 100 Rv10's report back, you should have a good idea if it'll b e an issue or not. Tim Begin forwarded message: > From: Alan Mekler MD > Date: May 8, 2016 at 2:55:52 PM CDT > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin > > If no cracks have been found then why is the service bulletin do before th e next flight and not at the next inspection > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >> >> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >> >> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >> >> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >> >> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all ap art next year. >> >> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >> >> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preve ntative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been ful ly assembled is not recommended >> >> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the insp ection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find s omething. >> >> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in t he future without removal. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >>> >>> >>> HI >>> >>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that t he average annual inspection might not catch. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================== == - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List============== ========================== ============; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http: //www.matronics.com/contribution<=============== ========================== >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:52 PM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked. http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html Marcus On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope instead of removing the ailerons. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney > wrote: > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without disassembly? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright > wrote: > >> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry > wrote: >> >>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>> >>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>> >>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>> >>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apart next year. >>> >>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>> >>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended >>> >>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find something. >>> >>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the future without removal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney > wrote: >>> > >>>> >>>> HI >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the average annual inspection might not catch. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================= === - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV10-List ========== =================; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -http://www.matronics.com/contribution <============ ==== >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:41 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head was to o large to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the resolution w as so poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make sure it's re turnable. I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't break the ba nk. Tim > On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 ($1 69.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and get on e. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html > > Marcus > > > On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope inst ead of removing the ailerons. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote: >> >> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without di sassembly? >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote : >>> >>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme u se of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >>>> >>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>>> >>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>>> >>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>>> >>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all a part next year. >>>> >>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>>> >>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a pre ventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been f ully assembled is not recommended >>>> >>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the in spection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find something. >>>> >>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected i n the future without removal. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the average annual inspection might not catch. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Les >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ======================== == - The RV10-List Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - http://www.matronics.com/contribution<============= === >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: John Cox A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of 7mm with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one with Hook, 90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com. They come in lengths from 2 meters to 5 meters. Just an idea. John Cox On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" wrote: > That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few > years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head > was too large to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the > resolution was so poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make > sure it's returnable. I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't > break the bank. > Tim > > > On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 > ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and > get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html > > Marcus > > > On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope > instead of removing the ailerons. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without > disassembly? > > Cheers > > Les > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use > of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > The most nagging thing about this SB is: > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all > apart next year. > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one: > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a > preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have > been fully assembled is not recommended > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the > inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you > find something. > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in > the future without removal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: > > > HI > > Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like something that the > average annual inspection might not catch. > > Cheers > > Les > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 > > > ========================== - The RV10-List > Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > "> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; - NEW MATRONICS > LIST WIKI -http://www.matronics.com/contribution<================ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:38 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Saervice Bulletin From: "dmaib@me.com" I think I have the same on from Harbor Freight that Tim is talking about. I bought it several years ago and it has been of limited use to me. This one that Marcus mentioned seems to have pretty good customer reviews. Deems, thanks for your tips. Sounds like a MUCH easier way to comply. BTW, I just got my airplane out of the paint shop on Wednesday and reinstalled the ailerons, only to get home and find this SB! grrrr..... :x Tim Olson wrote: > That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a waste. The head was too large to do anything useful for cylinder inspections, and the resolution was so poor it was hard to see much detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable. I hope some day I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank. > Tim > > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > > > Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just the first place I looked. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html) > > > > Marcus > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a borescope instead of removing the ailerons. Jesse SaintSaint Aviation, Inc. > > jesse@saintaviation.com (jesse@saintaviation.com) > > C: 352-427-0285 > > F: 815-377-3694 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > > > > Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used without disassembly? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > LesSent from my iPhone > > > On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > > > > > I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get cracks... > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > > The most nagging thing about this SB is: > > > > > > > > > > 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. > > > > > > > > > > 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take it all apart next year. > > > > > > > > > > 4) The icing on the cake is this one: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended > > > > > Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and over again until you find something. > > > > > I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be inspected in the future without removal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney wrote: > > > > > -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456009#456009 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Service Bulletin From: Kelly McMullen I bought one of these: http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00 Hooked up to my laptop I can take photos or video. The articulating head is the primary attraction. Insert in cylinder, bend head 180 degrees to look at valves. Bend 90 to look at cylinder walls. On 5/8/2016 5:44 PM, John Cox wrote: > A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of > 7mm with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one > with Hook, 90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com > . They come in lengths from 2 meters to 5 > meters. Just an idea. > > John Cox > > On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" > wrote: > > That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a > few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a > waste. The head was too large to do anything useful for cylinder > inspections, and the resolution was so poor it was hard to see much > detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable. I hope some day > I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank. > Tim > > > On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper > wrote: > >> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for >> $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to >> break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just >> the first place I looked. >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html >> >> Marcus >> >> >> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint > > wrote: >> >> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a >> borescope instead of removing the ailerons. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> C: 352-427-0285 >> F: 815-377-3694 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney > > wrote: >> >>> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used >>> without disassembly? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Les >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright >> > wrote: >>> >>>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid >>>> extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get >>>> cracks... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>>>> >>>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>>>> >>>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take >>>>> it all apart next year. >>>>> >>>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin >>>>> as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on >>>>> wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended >>>>> >>>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close >>>>> out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and >>>>> over again until you find something. >>>>> >>>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be >>>>> inspected in the future without removal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> HI >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like >>>>>> something that the average annual inspection might not catch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================== - The RV10-List >>>>>> Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>>>> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; - >>>>>> NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI >>>>>> -__http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>>> <================ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __ >> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Service Bulletin From: Marcus Cooper Another Amazon option, not as elegant, but a whole lot cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Crenova-Megapixel-Endoscope-Waterproof-Inspection/dp/B016KUGVJC/ref=pd_cp_421_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=05FC7G26DFW7MQCD39QA Seems like it might just work. Marcus On May 8, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: I bought one of these: http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00 Hooked up to my laptop I can take photos or video. The articulating head is the primary attraction. Insert in cylinder, bend head 180 degrees to look at valves. Bend 90 to look at cylinder walls. On 5/8/2016 5:44 PM, John Cox wrote: > A low cost alternative that a few pilots have used is an endoscope of > 7mm with six LEDs and connects to smart phones by mini USB. Get one > with Hook, 90 degree and 45 degree mirrors. www.banggood.com > . They come in lengths from 2 meters to 5 > meters. Just an idea. > > John Cox > > On May 8, 2016 17:36, "Tim Olson" > wrote: > > That one is slightly different than the harbor freight one I got a > few years back. I paid about the same. It turned out to be a > waste. The head was too large to do anything useful for cylinder > inspections, and the resolution was so poor it was hard to see much > detail. If you buy it, make sure it's returnable. I hope some day > I run across a good one that doesn't break the bank. > Tim > > > > On May 8, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Marcus Cooper > wrote: > >> Harbor Freight has an inspection camera with a 8.5mm camera for >> $79.99 ($169.99 with recording ability). Might be a good time to >> break down and get one. Might be cheaper options, this is just >> the first place I looked. >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html >> >> Marcus >> >> >> On May 8, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Jesse Saint > > wrote: >> >> I would think so. It sure would be nice to be able to use a >> borescope instead of removing the ailerons. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> C: 352-427-0285 >> F: 815-377-3694 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Les Kearney > > wrote: >> >>> Is there any chance an inspection probe / camera could be used >>> without disassembly? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Les >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 8, 2016, at 14:14, Kyle Boatright >> > wrote: >>> >>>> I would guess that if you use appropriate gust locks and avoid >>>> extreme use of the ailerons(e.g rolls), you're not likely to get >>>> cracks... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 8, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Perry >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> The most nagging thing about this SB is: >>>>> >>>>> 1) There have been no cracks found in the RV-10, per the SB. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Aileron removal is needed to inspect the RV-10. >>>>> >>>>> 3) If nothing is found, then put it all together again and take >>>>> it all apart next year. >>>>> >>>>> 4) The icing on the cake is this one: >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Completion of the modifications in this service bulletin >>>>> as a preventative measure (prior to cracks being detected) on >>>>> wings that have been fully assembled is not recommended >>>>> >>>>> Finding cracks may be a good thing so you can at least close >>>>> out the inspection cycle instead of taking it apart over and >>>>> over again until you find something. >>>>> >>>>> I wish they'd just give us a preventative fix that could be >>>>> inspected in the future without removal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, kearney >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> HI >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know the genesis for this SB? It seems like >>>>>> something that the average annual inspection might not catch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455977#455977 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================== - The RV10-List >>>>>> Emailnics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>>>> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List==; - >>>>>> NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI >>>>>> -__http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>>> <================ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __ >> ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Service Bulletin From: Werner Schneider Kelly, that looks like an excellent value, as others I've spent for several tries some money with just being disappointed, this gives clear pictures with all the details and the bending head is great. Sure, I could try another 6-7 of the cheap once but I rather have one working and pay a bit more. Cheers Werner On 09.05.2016 04:11, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I bought one of these: > http://www.amazon.com/AbleScope-VA-400-Borescope-Endoscope-Articulating/dp/B00GY7C9ZW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.