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1. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Service Bulletin (Jim Combs)
2. 09:56 AM - EFIS Upgrade? (Marcus Cooper)
3. 12:42 PM - Re: EFIS Upgrade? (Bob Turner)
4. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Upgrade? (Marcus Cooper)
5. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Upgrade? (Rene)
6. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Upgrade? (Danny Riggs)
7. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: EFIS Upgrade? (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
8. 05:49 PM - SB (Miller John)
9. 11:12 PM - Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (David Carr)
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
I used the most outboard one.
Jim C
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
wrote:
> Jim,
> Which inspection hole did you use?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 10, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Trying to post this for the third time. (Images too large!)
>
> I used my Samsung Galaxy S5 Cell phone camera to take pictures. I have
> attached the raw and cropped photos for reference. I only attached the
> right side so as to not clutter up the forum with picture data. I reduced
> the size of the "Raw" image to allow it to post. but you can see what the
> camera took before I cropped and zoomed the area of interest.
>
> Turn on the flash, auto-focus and insert the camera in the inspection hole
> with the camera just inside the hole and the phone resting on the edge.
> Take the picture and then crop / zoom in on the area of interest. Did the
> same thing on the outside with the aileron up and down.
>
> Both sides took 20 minutes.
>
> I think this is good enough to do the inspection. Someone correct me, but
> I don't think removing the flaps and ailerons exposes much more of the area?
>
> Aircraft has 856 hours over 5 years of flying.
>
> Jim C
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:55 PM, John Trollinger <john@trollingers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Can you attach the photos, trying to see best way to get images of the
>> area.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I too was able to inspect the area without removal of the flaps or
>>> ailerons. I took pictures with my Samsung phone and they turned out just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> 856 hours total time - no cracks.
>>>
>>> Jim Combs
>>>
>>> No Archive
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> were they able to inspect both places without removing anything?
>>>> Alan
>>>> > On May 10, 2016, at 10:39 AM, iMac <cgroote1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This morning the FBO here used their borescope on my -10. There was
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I have the original GRT Horizon HS Dual EFIS display with a Dynon backup and have
been very happy with them for the past 10 years. However, both screens now
show a small area of blank pixels which are not significant yet but I cant help
but think this is a sign that life is getting short for them. My initial thought
was to upgrade to a new GRT HX system (still pondering which size) but
was wondering what the current thoughts were on other options that might be better.
By better I mean as good or better capability for less money. Since the
trade-in values have wained of late, Im thinking about hanging on to the current
system and use one screen as a full backup on the passenger side.
Thanks in advance,
Marcus
40286
760 hours
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Upgrade? |
Well, of course everyone will now suggest you buy what they bought! So, up front,
I have an HX - HS system, and think it's the best value for the money. And,
I think GRT is the most capable regardless of price, within reason.
Caveats: I think the new, simplified Dynon system may be a better value for VFR
only aircraft.
With an HX you will gain: synthetic vision (good for night vfr operations - NOT
to fly low, but as a warning system if you screw up, or emergency landings, etc.);
More, and all high speed, serial ports (but unless you're adding new equipment
that doesn't matter); more (e.g., USB) options for adding ADSB-in boxes;
not sure if the HS can control a remote Trig transponder. Probably other stuff
I've forgotten.
Two HXs vs one HX, one HS. As I said I've got the latter. With two HX's the main
thing you get is the ethernet interconnect, so an ADSB-in into one HX can share
the wx with the other. And, even more serial ports, more of them high speed.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456120#456120
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Upgrade? |
Thanks Bob,
I realized I likely opened another theme as varied on opinions as the primer
wars, but it does seem good for me to stick with GRT. By the way, I mistyped
my current system, I have dual WS (even older) screens. I like the bigger 8.4
but given I would prefer to keep 2 screens going just in case and for readability
Ill probably go with the 6.5. Im not going to change out all my radios
so the center stack gets in the way of dual 8.4s it seems. I did just get the
Navworx ADS-B (exp version) so it would be nice to do all the changes at once.
As a side note, I could not have been less impressed with the Navworx customer
service, Im hoping the product will be MUCH better.
Marcus
On May 11, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
Well, of course everyone will now suggest you buy what they bought! So, up front,
I have an HX - HS system, and think it's the best value for the money. And,
I think GRT is the most capable regardless of price, within reason.
Caveats: I think the new, simplified Dynon system may be a better value for VFR
only aircraft.
With an HX you will gain: synthetic vision (good for night vfr operations - NOT
to fly low, but as a warning system if you screw up, or emergency landings, etc.);
More, and all high speed, serial ports (but unless you're adding new equipment
that doesn't matter); more (e.g., USB) options for adding ADSB-in boxes;
not sure if the HS can control a remote Trig transponder. Probably other stuff
I've forgotten.
Two HXs vs one HX, one HS. As I said I've got the latter. With two HX's the main
thing you get is the ethernet interconnect, so an ADSB-in into one HX can share
the wx with the other. And, even more serial ports, more of them high speed.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456120#456120
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Upgrade? |
As Bob said, GRT is the best because I have them.... :)
Dual HX with an SX. I also have Navworx and think it is great. Not much to learn
if you stay with the same.
Note WS to HX. They are different sizes and bolt pattern.
Why I like it.
Redundant with all the features I need and use. Went with the SX as a backup as
an eventual replacement for my Blue Mountain.
Not all that cheap and I did mine one at a time. At one time I had an HX, HS,
and WS. They all played together very nicely....even though the HX was showing
up the other two, they still talked....
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: EFIS Upgrade?
Thanks Bob,
I realized I likely opened another theme as varied on opinions as the primer
wars, but it does seem good for me to stick with GRT. By the way, I mistyped
my current system, I have dual WS (even older) screens. I like the bigger 8.4
but given I would prefer to keep 2 screens going just in case and for readability
Ill probably go with the 6.5. Im not going to change out all my radios
so the center stack gets in the way of dual 8.4s it seems. I did just get the
Navworx ADS-B (exp version) so it would be nice to do all the changes at once.
As a side note, I could not have been less impressed with the Navworx customer
service, Im hoping the product will be MUCH better.
Marcus
On May 11, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
Well, of course everyone will now suggest you buy what they bought! So, up front,
I have an HX - HS system, and think it's the best value for the money. And,
I think GRT is the most capable regardless of price, within reason.
Caveats: I think the new, simplified Dynon system may be a better value for VFR
only aircraft.
With an HX you will gain: synthetic vision (good for night vfr operations - NOT
to fly low, but as a warning system if you screw up, or emergency landings, etc.);
More, and all high speed, serial ports (but unless you're adding new equipment
that doesn't matter); more (e.g., USB) options for adding ADSB-in boxes;
not sure if the HS can control a remote Trig transponder. Probably other stuff
I've forgotten.
Two HXs vs one HX, one HS. As I said I've got the latter. With two HX's the main
thing you get is the ethernet interconnect, so an ADSB-in into one HX can share
the wx with the other. And, even more serial ports, more of them high speed.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456120#456120
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Upgrade? |
I had two HXs and sold them off after 35 hours.
Why? Well, the HXr came out and the autopilot interface is really great! I bought
the 12.1" and a MiniX because I wanted a back up but there was no room for
anything larger than the MiniX. Can't say enough about how great they are. The
resolution is much better than the Dynons and the AFS up to the latest models.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 11, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> As Bob said, GRT is the best because I have them.... :)
>
> Dual HX with an SX. I also have Navworx and think it is great. Not much to
learn if you stay with the same.
>
> Note WS to HX. They are different sizes and bolt pattern.
>
> Why I like it.
>
> Redundant with all the features I need and use. Went with the SX as a backup
as an eventual replacement for my Blue Mountain.
>
> Not all that cheap and I did mine one at a time. At one time I had an HX, HS,
and WS. They all played together very nicely....even though the HX was showing
up the other two, they still talked....
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: EFIS Upgrade?
>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> I realized I likely opened another theme as varied on opinions as the primer
wars, but it does seem good for me to stick with GRT. By the way, I mistyped
my current system, I have dual WS (even older) screens. I like the bigger 8.4
but given I would prefer to keep 2 screens going just in case and for readability
Ill probably go with the 6.5. Im not going to change out all my radios
so the center stack gets in the way of dual 8.4s it seems. I did just get the
Navworx ADS-B (exp version) so it would be nice to do all the changes at once.
As a side note, I could not have been less impressed with the Navworx customer
service, Im hoping the product will be MUCH better.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On May 11, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Well, of course everyone will now suggest you buy what they bought! So, up front,
I have an HX - HS system, and think it's the best value for the money. And,
I think GRT is the most capable regardless of price, within reason.
> Caveats: I think the new, simplified Dynon system may be a better value for VFR
only aircraft.
> With an HX you will gain: synthetic vision (good for night vfr operations - NOT
to fly low, but as a warning system if you screw up, or emergency landings,
etc.); More, and all high speed, serial ports (but unless you're adding new equipment
that doesn't matter); more (e.g., USB) options for adding ADSB-in boxes;
not sure if the HS can control a remote Trig transponder. Probably other stuff
I've forgotten.
> Two HXs vs one HX, one HS. As I said I've got the latter. With two HX's the main
thing you get is the ethernet interconnect, so an ADSB-in into one HX can
share the wx with the other. And, even more serial ports, more of them high speed.
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Upgrade? |
Could some kind person (maybe Stein?) list the terrain resolutions of the various
EFISs - not screen size, or pixels.
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> FWIW, I did my inspection today in about a half hour. iPhone photo in
each of the outer access panels works great (see attached) as you can
pinch to zoom in very well.
I have a small, articulating borescope that I slipped down on the aft
side of the spar and was able to take a look at the 2 hidden rivets, the
rest you can see by just moving the aileron up and down. With a
borescope, no need to drop the aileron and cut out that section.
BTW, no cracks noted on either side.
grumpy
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> Sent John Miller's iPhone
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| Subject: | Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Hey list,
Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths
required?
The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations
in the factory locations.
Thanks,
David
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