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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Carl Froehlich)
4. 09:10 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Phillip Perry)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Bob Turner)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Tim Olson)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Byron Gillespie)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Phillip Perry)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (David Carr)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Lenny Iszak)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (David Carr)
12. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Patrick Pulis)
13. 04:51 PM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Don McDonald)
14. 05:45 PM - Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? (Lenny Iszak)
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
I have used both the stock push/pull and quadrant cables in at least 15-20 FWF
installs and they work. Some argue that some could stand to be a little longer,
especially for the quadrant, I think mainly the prop cable, but I don't remember
the details. Stock will work, though.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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> On May 12, 2016, at 2:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>
> Hey list,
>
> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?
> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in
the factory locations.
>
> Thanks,
> David
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Cable length will depend on whether you stick strictly to the plans,
whether you use a custom instrument panel, and whether you use stock
Lycoming ignition and fuel injection or carburetor. Since you are using
non stock fuel injection and prop governor, you will need to verify
whether those items change the cable hook ups in any way. Items such as
air conditioning compressor or different routing of the cables can
affect length.
I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but the prototype Vans
built used a narrow deck engine, and any new engine as well as a
majority of overhauled engines you can buy will be wide deck.
Some have had difficulty in use with stock cables because of
engine/exhaust heat. Several vendors offer cables with higher heat
resistance with teflon lining.
On 5/12/2016 4:41 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I have used both the stock push/pull and quadrant cables in at least 15-20 FWF
installs and they work. Some argue that some could stand to be a little longer,
especially for the quadrant, I think mainly the prop cable, but I don't remember
the details. Stock will work, though.
>
> Jesse Saint
>
>> On May 12, 2016, at 2:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey list,
>>
>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?
>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in
the factory locations.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
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| Subject: | Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
For push/pull controls the mixture and prop cables work. The
Van=99s recommended 47.5=9D throttle cable will, if pulled
tight against the bottom of the engine, just fit.
A better option for the throttle cable is to get the 50.5=9D cable
Van=99s sells for the RV-7. That is what I=99m using.
Carl
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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?
Hey list,
Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths
required?
The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall
penetrations in the factory locations.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order
1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not
all 3 (or more) at the same time.
You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny. I've bought about
5 cables now and had 3 of those modified. I've wasted more than a grand
trying to get the cables right.
Just order one and learn your lessons on it. Then order the other 2.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>
> Hey list,
>
> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?
> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in
the factory locations.
>
> Thanks,
> David
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Strictly a stock build. Mine fit but were tight, I needed to go as direct as possible,
not exactly per plans.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
That sounds pretty expensive...
My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.
What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14
cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,
and used one of those to mock up the lengths.
If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,
maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get
custom cables. I'd offer mine, but I already have the
offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to
get a quadrant installed. Van's in their lack of
execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer
a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting
one installed. So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying
to help others who want the same thing.
All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one
cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try
anything custom. But if you can borrow an old cable
from someone, that would save you the headache.
Tim
On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order
1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not
all 3 (or more) at the same time.
>
> You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny. I've bought
about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified. I've wasted more than a grand
trying to get the cables right.
>
> Just order one and learn your lessons on it. Then order the other 2.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey list,
>>
>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?
>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in
the factory locations.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
As it turns out it I have a complete set of what I think are the "original
cables" here at the house. They turned out to be short for me and I ordered
new custom cables. If you want to check them out, e-mail me off line and I
can ship them out to you. If they work out length wise, I can make you a
real good deal...
The cables are marked ACS Products Co. Inc:
Mixture(Red) A-1760-20-0515-V & Van's tag CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5
Prop (Blue) A-1760-30-0725-V
Throttle (Black) A-800BL0475-V
Byron
N253RV
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> That sounds pretty expensive...
> My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.
>
> What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14
> cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,
> and used one of those to mock up the lengths.
>
> If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,
> maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get
> custom cables. I'd offer mine, but I already have the
> offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to
> get a quadrant installed. Van's in their lack of
> execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer
> a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting
> one installed. So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying
> to help others who want the same thing.
>
> All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one
> cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try
> anything custom. But if you can borrow an old cable
> from someone, that would save you the headache.
> Tim
>
>
> On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only
>> order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st
>> cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.
>>
>> You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny. I've
>> bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified. I've wasted more
>> than a grand trying to get the cables right.
>>
>> Just order one and learn your lessons on it. Then order the other 2.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey list,
>>>
>>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths
>>> required?
>>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall
>>> penetrations in the factory locations.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
I went with the McFarlane cables using the hi-temp sleeves. $250/each.
And if they need to be modified its between $100-$150 depending on the modification
requested.
Painful to experience.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 12, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> That sounds pretty expensive...
> My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.
>
> What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14
> cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,
> and used one of those to mock up the lengths.
>
> If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,
> maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get
> custom cables. I'd offer mine, but I already have the
> offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to
> get a quadrant installed. Van's in their lack of
> execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer
> a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting
> one installed. So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying
> to help others who want the same thing.
>
> All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one
> cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try
> anything custom. But if you can borrow an old cable
> from someone, that would save you the headache.
> Tim
>
>
>> On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>>
>> I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order
1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and
not all 3 (or more) at the same time.
>>
>> You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny. I've bought
about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified. I've wasted more than a grand
trying to get the cables right.
>>
>> Just order one and learn your lessons on it. Then order the other 2.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey list,
>>>
>>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?
>>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations
in the factory locations.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Byron,
That sounds great! I'll send you a note off-list shortly.
Thanks also to everyone for the advice thus far---wish I had signed up for
the Matronics list sooner.
David
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Byron Gillespie <bdgillespie215@gmail.com>
wrote:
> As it turns out it I have a complete set of what I think are the "original
> cables" here at the house. They turned out to be short for me and I ordered
> new custom cables. If you want to check them out, e-mail me off line and I
> can ship them out to you. If they work out length wise, I can make you a
> real good deal...
>
> The cables are marked ACS Products Co. Inc:
> Mixture(Red) A-1760-20-0515-V & Van's tag CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5
> Prop (Blue) A-1760-30-0725-V
> Throttle (Black) A-800BL0475-V
>
> Byron
> N253RV
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That sounds pretty expensive...
>> My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.
>>
>> What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14
>> cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,
>> and used one of those to mock up the lengths.
>>
>> If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,
>> maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get
>> custom cables. I'd offer mine, but I already have the
>> offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to
>> get a quadrant installed. Van's in their lack of
>> execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer
>> a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting
>> one installed. So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying
>> to help others who want the same thing.
>>
>> All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one
>> cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try
>> anything custom. But if you can borrow an old cable
>> from someone, that would save you the headache.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only
>>> order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st
>>> cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.
>>>
>>> You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny. I've
>>> bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified. I've wasted more
>>> than a grand trying to get the cables right.
>>>
>>> Just order one and learn your lessons on it. Then order the other 2.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey list,
>>>>
>>>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths
>>>> required?
>>>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall
>>>> penetrations in the factory locations.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
David,
My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher temp versions.
If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're welcome to have
them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives you, because I have
my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel selector.
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456164#456164
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Lenny,
Thanks for the kind offer. For now, I'm going the push-pull route, but I
do appreciate it.
David
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
wrote:
>
> David,
>
> My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher
> temp versions. If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're
> welcome to have them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives
> you, because I have my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel
> selector.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456164#456164
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
HI Lenny
I need to get some longer cables made, where can you recommend to get this done
please?
Warm regards
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide
South Australia
> On 13 May 2016, at 05:37, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>
>
> David,
>
> My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher temp versions.
If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're welcome to have
them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives you, because I have
my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel selector.
>
> Lenny
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456164#456164
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
Check out
California Push-Pull, Inc.
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I've had them build several cables for me.Don McDonald
From: David Carr <junk@dcarr.org>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?
Byron,
That sounds great!=C2- I'll send you a note off-list shortly.
Thanks also to everyone for the advice thus far---wish I had signed up for
the Matronics list sooner.
David
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Byron Gillespie <bdgillespie215@gmail.com
> wrote:
As it turns out it I have a complete set of=C2-what=C2-I think are the
=C2-"original cables" here at the house. They turned out to be short for
me and I ordered new custom cables. If you want to check them out, e-mail m
e off line and I can ship them out to you. If they work out length wise, I
can make you a real good deal...
The cables are marked ACS Products Co. Inc:Mixture(Red)=C2-=C2-A-1760-2
0-0515-V & Van's tag CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5Prop (Blue)=C2- A-1760-30-0725-V
Throttle (Black)=C2- A-800BL0475-V
ByronN253RV
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
That sounds pretty expensive...
My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.
What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14
cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,
and used one of those to mock up the lengths.
If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,
maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get
custom cables.=C2- I'd offer mine, but I already have the
offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to
get a quadrant installed.=C2- Van's in their lack of
execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer
a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting
one installed.=C2- So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying
to help others who want the same thing.
All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one
cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try
anything custom.=C2- But if you can borrow an old cable
from someone, that would save you the headache.
Tim
On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only or
der 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable
and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.
You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.=C2- =C2
-I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.=C2- =C2-
I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.
Just order one and learn your lessons on it.=C2- Then order the other 2.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk@dcarr.org> wrote:
Hey list,
Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths req
uired?
The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations
in the factory locations.
Thanks,
David
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths? |
I'm getting them from www.push-pull.com but local CableCraft suppliers should be able to do it. If you have one of those in Australia it might make it easier for you.
The model number is 176-VTT-2-57, where 2 is the throw, 57 is the length.
Lenny
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