RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/14/16


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:36 AM - Re: Cowl Flaps (Bill Watson)
     2. 06:54 AM - Re: Cowl Flaps (Shannon Hicks)
     3. 07:00 AM - Re: Cowl Flaps (Kelly McMullen)
     4. 07:02 AM - Oil temps (Shannon Hicks)
     5. 07:05 AM - Re: Cowl Flaps (Alan Mekler MD)
     6. 07:27 AM - Re: Oil temps (building_partner)
     7. 07:32 AM - Re: Oil temps (Jesse Saint)
     8. 07:50 AM - Re: Cowl Flaps (Shannon Hicks)
     9. 08:41 AM - Re: Oil temps (Bill Watson)
    10. 01:39 PM - Re: Oil temps (Albert)
    11. 01:51 PM - Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Sean Stephens)
    12. 02:10 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Bruce Johnson)
    13. 03:32 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Deems Davis)
    14. 03:42 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Sean Stephens)
    15. 03:59 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Jesse Saint)
    16. 04:20 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Sean Stephens)
    17. 05:51 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Jesse Saint)
    18. 06:46 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Sean Stephens)
    19. 07:26 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Berck E. Nash)
    20. 07:40 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (P Reid)
    21. 08:06 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Kelly McMullen)
    22. 08:10 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Kelly McMullen)
    23. 09:19 PM - Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown (Sean Stephens)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:36:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Just as a data point, I did exactly that (90, heat soaked, climb to 9). I did have one cylinder hit 400 but the rest stayed under 380 as they always do. Having problems with cylinder 1 which breaks 380 regularly climbing out during our southern summers. But this is a stock '10 with a stock IO-540 pulling 2600rpms with a stock 2 bladed prop. I normally climb at 135 and start dialing back the speed to 125 by 9k. Bill "thinking the important number during the climb is reaching 70F" Watson On 6/13/2016 9:02 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > I don't suppose you were starting from ground temps of 85-90, much > less departing with an engine that had already been hot soaked during > a refuel stop. I expect this weekend I will be doing at least on > takeoff with surface temps above 100. > > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com > <mailto:civeng123@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I have the stock louvers installed and have had absolutely no > temperature issues on climb out. Friday I climbed straight > to 11.5k at 120kts and none of my cylinders even came close to 400. > > Shannon > > > On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com > <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks Ed. Very helpful. I guess that shows the stock louvers > are not that effective. I was thinking of putting the cowl > flaps outside the louvers. I will have to but a 3-D template > to verify muffler clearance, but looked okay this morning, > just eyeballing it. > >


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    Time: 06:54:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
    From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com>
    Kelly, The ground temp was just north of 90 degrees. The difference may be that I have a plenum instead of the baffle seals. Once I reach 1000' I pull back the power to around 25" & 2500 rpm and lean to keep the same get as takeoff. Shannon On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't suppose you were starting from ground temps of 85-90, much less > departing with an engine that had already been hot soaked during a refuel > stop. I expect this weekend I will be doing at least on takeoff with > surface temps above 100. > > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','civeng123@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> I have the stock louvers installed and have had absolutely no temperature >> issues on climb out. Friday I climbed straight to 11.5k at 120kts and none >> of my cylinders even came close to 400. >> >> Shannon >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','apilot2@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Ed. Very helpful. I guess that shows the stock louvers are not >>> that effective. I was thinking of putting the cowl flaps outside the >>> louvers. I will have to but a 3-D template to verify muffler clearance, but >>> looked okay this morning, just eyeballing it. >>> >>>> >>>> >


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    Time: 07:00:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    OK, that explains a lot. Did you fabricate the plenum or purchase it? If purchased, which vendor? I only have the stock baffle seals. On 6/14/2016 6:54 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > Kelly, > The ground temp was just north of 90 degrees. The difference may be that > I have a plenum instead of the baffle seals. Once I reach 1000' I pull > back the power to around 25" & 2500 rpm and lean to keep the same get as > takeoff. > > Shannon > > > On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com > <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't suppose you were starting from ground temps of 85-90, much > less departing with an engine that had already been hot soaked > during a refuel stop. I expect this weekend I will be doing at > least on takeoff with surface temps above 100. > > -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','civeng123@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > I have the stock louvers installed and have had absolutely no > temperature issues on climb out. Friday I climbed straight > to 11.5k at 120kts and none of my cylinders even came close to 400. > > Shannon > > > On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','apilot2@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Thanks Ed. Very helpful. I guess that shows the stock > louvers are not that effective. I was thinking of putting > the cowl flaps outside the louvers. I will have to but a 3-D > template to verify muffler clearance, but looked okay this > morning, just eyeballing it. > >


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    Time: 07:02:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Oil temps
    From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com>
    The other thread talking about cowl flaps got me rethinking another kind of cooling issue that I am having. I can't get my oil temps to climb above 140. It doesn't matter how hot it is outside or how long I climb, they top out right at 140. Could this be caused by me having a plenum and having too much air flow through the oil cooler? The probe registers ambient temperature correctly when not running, so it seems to be accurate in that regard. Can a faulty vernatherm cause this? Any ideas? Thanks, Shannon


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    Time: 07:05:33 AM PST US
    From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
    Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
    Only my cylinder one goes slightly over 400 on climb out at full power Alan Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote: > > Just as a data point, I did exactly that (90, heat soaked, climb to 9). I did have one cylinder hit 400 but the rest stayed under 380 as they always d o. Having problems with cylinder 1 which breaks 380 regularly climbing out d uring our southern summers. > > But this is a stock '10 with a stock IO-540 pulling 2600rpms with a stock 2 bladed prop. I normally climb at 135 and start dialing back the speed to 125 by 9k. > > Bill "thinking the important number during the climb is reaching 70F" Wats on > >> On 6/13/2016 9:02 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> I don't suppose you were starting from ground temps of 85-90, much less d eparting with an engine that had already been hot soaked during a refuel sto p. I expect this weekend I will be doing at least on takeoff with surface t emps above 100. >> >> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm >> >>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com> wro te: >>> I have the stock louvers installed and have had absolutely no temperatur e issues on climb out. Friday I climbed straight to 11.5k at 120kts and non e of my cylinders even came close to 400. >>> >>> Shannon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Thanks Ed. Very helpful. I guess that shows the stock louvers are not t hat effective. I was thinking of putting the cowl flaps outside the louvers. I will have to but a 3-D template to verify muffler clearance, but looked o kay this morning, just eyeballing it. >


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    Time: 07:27:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Oil temps
    From: building_partner <building_partner@yahoo.com>
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    Time: 07:32:59 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Oil temps
    Run it into a pot of boiling water and see what it reads. First thing is to verify the probe is working correctly. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com> wrote: > > The other thread talking about cowl flaps got me rethinking another kind of cooling issue that I am having. I can't get my oil temps to climb above 140. It doesn't matter how hot it is outside or how long I climb, they top out right at 140. Could this be caused by me having a plenum and having too much air flow through the oil cooler? The probe registers ambient temperature correctly when not running, so it seems to be accurate in that regard. Can a faulty vernatherm cause this? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Shannon


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    Time: 07:50:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cowl Flaps
    From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com>
    Kelly, I purchased my plenum from rvbits. Easy to install. http://rvbits.mybigcommerce.com/products/RV10-CARBON-PLENUM-LID.html Shannon On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote: > > OK, that explains a lot. Did you fabricate the plenum or purchase it? If > purchased, which vendor? I only have the stock baffle seals. > > On 6/14/2016 6:54 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > >> Kelly, >> The ground temp was just north of 90 degrees. The difference may be that >> I have a plenum instead of the baffle seals. Once I reach 1000' I pull >> back the power to around 25" & 2500 rpm and lean to keep the same get as >> takeoff. >> >> Shannon >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com >> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I don't suppose you were starting from ground temps of 85-90, much >> less departing with an engine that had already been hot soaked >> during a refuel stop. I expect this weekend I will be doing at >> least on takeoff with surface temps above 100. >> >> -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','civeng123@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> I have the stock louvers installed and have had absolutely no >> temperature issues on climb out. Friday I climbed straight >> to 11.5k at 120kts and none of my cylinders even came close to >> 400. >> >> Shannon >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','apilot2@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> Thanks Ed. Very helpful. I guess that shows the stock >> louvers are not that effective. I was thinking of putting >> the cowl flaps outside the louvers. I will have to but a 3-D >> template to verify muffler clearance, but looked okay this >> morning, just eyeballing it. >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:41:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil temps
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    In non-summer conditions I had the same problem - just couldn't get the oil temp up to the minimum. It seems that the combination of running less oil (6-7 quarts) and blocking some of the airflow to the cooler with a plate installed in the engine shroud fixed it. I don't recall ever changing the oil temp probe. No change is required for NC/FL summers but I do reduce the size of the blocking if I remember and run another quart of oil in summer. Bill "found the stock setup to run very cool except for the tunnel" Watson On 6/14/2016 10:02 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > The other thread talking about cowl flaps got me rethinking another > kind of cooling issue that I am having. I can't get my oil temps to > climb above 140. It doesn't matter how hot it is outside or how long I > climb, they top out right at 140. Could this be caused by me having a > plenum and having too much air flow through the oil cooler? The probe > registers ambient temperature correctly when not running, so it seems > to be accurate in that regard. Can a faulty vernatherm cause this? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Shannon


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    Time: 01:39:18 PM PST US
    From: "Albert" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Oil temps
    I added another opening on each side to improve oil cooling. I also have an additional oil cooler. Seems to be good enough now for Yuma's hot, hot weather. Albert Gardner RV-10 N991RV Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 01:51:48 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    My first IO-540, so not sure if some of this is "normal", but the darn thing shakes like a wet dog on shutdown. I've modified my shutdown to use a higher RPM when pulling the mixture. That helps a little, but still very noticeable. I'm wondering if there's more to it and I need to check a few things. Maybe need another washer on the isolator through bolts to tighten them up a bit? Do I need the stiffer isolators? Maybe I need to re-check my engine mount bolts, but I'd think that would be REALLY noticeable if they were not to spec. I did have to add a washer to the nose gear isolators to snug those up a bit about 10 hours ago and I had custom VA-143 and VA-144 made to correct size. That helped a little also, but I'm still seeing/hearing/feeling a good deal of shake rattle and roll on shutdown. Any other tips or guidance on things to check? -Sean #40303 prepping for second annual. Need to get that shifted to winter months. :(


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    Time: 02:10:59 PM PST US
    From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    It just sounds like you are not getting the fuel to shut of completely and it just keeps trying to run. =C2-God Bless America (please) =C2-:) Bruc e On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:00 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.co m> wrote: My first IO-540, so not sure if some of this is "normal", but the darn thing shakes like a wet dog on shutdown. I've modified my shutdown to use a higher RPM when pulling the mixture.=C2 - That helps a little, but still very noticeable. I'm wondering if there's more to it and I need to check a few things.=C2- Maybe need another washer on the isolator through bolts to tighten them up a bit?=C2- Do I need the stiffer isolators?=C2- Maybe I need to re-c heck my engine mount bolts, but I'd think that would be REALLY noticeable if they were not to spec. I did have to add a washer to the nose gear isolators to snug those up a bit about 10 hours ago and I had custom VA-143 and VA-144 made to correct size.=C2- That helped a little also, but I'm still seeing/hearing/feeling a good deal of shake rattle and roll on shutdown. Any other tips or guidance on things to check? -Sean #40303 prepping for second annual.=C2- Need to get that shifted to winter months. :( S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 03:32:21 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Sean, Are referring to excessive(?) physical shaking/vibration of the engine @ shutdown, or are you more concerned about the engine not shutting down promptly and 'running on'? Deems On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote: > > My first IO-540, so not sure if some of this is "normal", but the darn > thing shakes like a wet dog on shutdown. > > I've modified my shutdown to use a higher RPM when pulling the mixture. > That helps a little, but still very noticeable. > > I'm wondering if there's more to it and I need to check a few things. > Maybe need another washer on the isolator through bolts to tighten them up > a bit? Do I need the stiffer isolators? Maybe I need to re-check my > engine mount bolts, but I'd think that would be REALLY noticeable if they > were not to spec. > > I did have to add a washer to the nose gear isolators to snug those up a > bit about 10 hours ago and I had custom VA-143 and VA-144 made to correct > size. That helped a little also, but I'm still seeing/hearing/feeling a > good deal of shake rattle and roll on shutdown. > > Any other tips or guidance on things to check? > > -Sean #40303 prepping for second annual. Need to get that shifted to > winter months. :( > >


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    Time: 03:42:00 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Hey Deems! Yes, what I feel to be excessive shaking of the engine at shutdown. It does not run on. Been following the Lyc recommended shutdown at 1200 rpm then ICO. Shaking like crazy with that procedure. I've read other shutdown suggestions on the interwebs, but can't find anything that works, which leads me to believe it's some kind of isolator issue or something. -Sean > Deems Davis <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net> > June 14, 2016 at 5:31 PM > Sean, > > Are referring to excessive(?) physical shaking/vibration of the engine > @ shutdown, or are you more concerned about the engine not shutting > down promptly and 'running on'? > > Deems > >


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    Time: 03:59:06 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Try shutting it down by killing the mags and see if it is smoother. If you are cutting the fuel off completely, it should be as smooth as killing the mags. They all shake, but I've never thought of it as excessive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote: > > > Hey Deems! > > Yes, what I feel to be excessive shaking of the engine at shutdown. It does not run on. > > Been following the Lyc recommended shutdown at 1200 rpm then ICO. Shaking like crazy with that procedure. I've read other shutdown suggestions on the interwebs, but can't find anything that works, which leads me to believe it's some kind of isolator issue or something. > > -Sean > >> Deems Davis <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net> >> June 14, 2016 at 5:31 PM >> Sean, >> >> Are referring to excessive(?) physical shaking/vibration of the engine @ shutdown, or are you more concerned about the engine not shutting down promptly and 'running on'? >> >> Deems > > > >


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    Time: 04:20:15 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Thanks Jesse. Do you mean instead of ICO, or at the same time as ICO? > Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > June 14, 2016 at 5:58 PM > > Try shutting it down by killing the mags and see if it is smoother. If > you are cutting the fuel off completely, it should be as smooth as > killing the mags. They all shake, but I've never thought of it as > excessive. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > 352-427-0285 > jesse@saintaviation.com > > Sent from my iPad > >


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    Time: 05:51:45 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Instead of. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Jesse. > > Do you mean instead of ICO, or at the same time as ICO? > >> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >> June 14, 2016 at 5:58 PM >> >> Try shutting it down by killing the mags and see if it is smoother. If you are cutting the fuel off completely, it should be as smooth as killing the mags. They all shake, but I've never thought of it as excessive. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> 352-427-0285 >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> > > > >


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    Time: 06:46:33 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    I assume what that would tell me is if I have the mixture properly set on the servo to REALLY be at idle cutoff? > Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > June 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM > > Instead of. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > 352-427-0285 > jesse@saintaviation.com > > Sent from my iPad > >


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    Time: 07:26:56 PM PST US
    From: "Berck E. Nash" <flyboy@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    It's my understanding that most fuel injection systems have a spring-loaded valve at the distribution manifold to allow for clean, quick shutdowns once the fuel pressure drops below a certain threshold. Seems like if this were failing to close cleanly some of the cylinders might run longer than others, thus causing a shudder... Shutting down the ignition would eliminate that as a cause. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote: > > > I assume what that would tell me is if I have the mixture properly set on > the servo to REALLY be at idle cutoff? > >> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >> June 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM >> >> Instead of. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> 352-427-0285 >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:40:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    From: P Reid <rv10flyer@live.com>
    or the mixture cable isn't extending enough to fully close the fuel flow.it does sound like the aircraft is at a 400rpm mode and struggling to stay ru nning with minimal fuel flow. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab=C2=AE S -------- Original message -------- From: "Berck E. Nash" <flyboy@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown It's my understanding that most fuel injection systems have a spring-loaded valve at the distribution manifold to allow for clean=2C quick shutdowns on ce the fuel pressure drops below a certain threshold. Seems like if this were failing to close cleanly some of the cylinders might run longer than others=2C thus causing a shudder... Shutting down the ignition would eliminate that as a cause. On Tue=2C Jun 14=2C 2016 at 7:45 PM=2C Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.co m> wrote: > > > I assume what that would tell me is if I have the mixture properly set on > the servo to REALLY be at idle cutoff? > >> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >> June 14=2C 2016 at 7:05 PM >> >> Instead of. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation=2C Inc. >> 352-427-0285 >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:06:45 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Pull the throttle back to idle. Should be at or less than 1000 rpm. Then go to ICO. Should shutdown quickly and smoothly, assuming it idles smoothly. -sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote: > > Hey Deems! > > Yes, what I feel to be excessive shaking of the engine at shutdown. It > does not run on. > > Been following the Lyc recommended shutdown at 1200 rpm then ICO. Shaking > like crazy with that procedure. I've read other shutdown suggestions on > the interwebs, but can't find anything that works, which leads me to > believe it's some kind of isolator issue or something. > > -Sean > > Deems Davis <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net> >> June 14, 2016 at 5:31 PM >> Sean, >> >> Are referring to excessive(?) physical shaking/vibration of the engine @ >> shutdown, or are you more concerned about the engine not shutting down >> promptly and 'running on'? >> >> Deems >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:10:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Your mixture should give a 50 rpm rise if you pull mixture slowly to cutoff. If more, too rich. If less, too lean. Shouldn't make any difference where it is set, you should still get cutoff when mixture is pulled to the stop. On 6/14/2016 6:45 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > > I assume what that would tell me is if I have the mixture properly set > on the servo to REALLY be at idle cutoff? >> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >> June 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM >> >> Instead of. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> 352-427-0285 >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 09:19:48 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Wet Dog Syndrome On Shutdown
    Sorry, but I am confused. The engine does stop, obviously, just not without doin' the shake. Are you saying it may be set too rich, causing it to still fire during shutdown? > Kelly McMullen <mailto:kellym@aviating.com> > June 14, 2016 at 10:09 PM > > Your mixture should give a 50 rpm rise if you pull mixture slowly to > cutoff. If more, too rich. If less, too lean. > Shouldn't make any difference where it is set, you should still get > cutoff when mixture is pulled to the stop. > >




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