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1. 11:20 AM - medical reform (David)
2. 03:54 PM - Re: medical reform (Alan Mekler MD)
3. 03:56 PM - Re: medical reform (Alan Mekler MD)
4. 04:15 PM - Re: medical reform (Linn Walters)
5. 04:53 PM - Re: medical reform (Lyle Peterson)
6. 05:44 PM - Re: medical reform (Phillip Perry)
7. 07:12 PM - medical reform (David)
8. 07:53 PM - Re: medical reform (Kelly McMullen)
9. 09:58 PM - Re: medical reform (Bob Turner)
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Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance company
for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish as
soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the
suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA
AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require
an AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be
no legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical
requirement if one wants insurance.
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
David,
as an
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance
company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will
publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be
shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the
requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance
carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a
fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME
issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance.
>
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
David,
As An AME this is what we have been told by the FAA:
Alan
What we know about the new =9Cthird class medical reform=9D/
=9CPilot=99s Bill of Rights 2=9D legislation:
(H.R. 636 The FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016
<https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/636/text>):
=C2=B7 Nothing will change immediately. The FAA has 180 days to
establish new rules and may enforce the existing rules until July 15,
2017.
=C2=B7 The third class medical certificate will not go away. Some
general aviation airmen will still require it if they are flying outside
the specified aircraft and flight parameters. Also everyone will be
required to have received a medical certificate within the past 10
years.
=C2=B7 Medical evaluations will be required every 4 years and may
be performed by any state-licensed physician. There will be a specified
certification statement which must be signed by the examining physician.
=C2=B7 There are a variety of factors which may result in an airman
choosing to continue to apply for a third class medical certificate,
such as physician unwillingness to assume the liability for signing the
new medical certification form.
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance
company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will
publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be
shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the
requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the insurance
carriers may still require an AME issued medical for aircraft above a
fixed hull value. So there may be no legal requirement for the AME
issued 3rd class but a practical requirement if one wants insurance.
>
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
I'm an incurable optimist so I hope these issues get brought to light
during the NPRM comment period. I never thought (and neither did
Congress) that insurance companies might have an issue with the Drivers
License Medical. I'll be going through my annual application and will
pose the question to my insurance broker.
Linn
On 8/5/2016 6:55 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>
> David,
> As An AME this is what we have been told by the FAA:
> Alan
> *
> *
>
> What we know about the new third class medical reform/ Pilots Bill
> of Rights 2 legislation:
> (H.R. 636 The FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016
> <https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/636/text>):
>
> Nothing will change immediately. The FAA has 180 days to establish
> new rules and may enforce the existing rules until July 15, 2017.
>
> The third class medical certificate *will not* go away. Some general
> aviation airmen will still require it if they are flying outside the
> specified aircraft and flight parameters. Also everyone will be
> required to have received a medical certificate within the past 10 years.
>
> Medical evaluations will be required every 4 years and may be
> performed by any state-licensed physician. There will be a specified
> certification statement which must be signed by the examining physician.
>
> There are a variety of factors which may result in an airman choosing
> to continue to apply for a third class medical certificate, such as
> physician unwillingness to assume the liability for signing the new
> medical certification form.
>
>
>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David <dlm34077@cox.net
>> <mailto:dlm34077@cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance
>> company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and
>> will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can
>> be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate
>> the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the
>> insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for
>> aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal
>> requirement for the AME issued 3^rd class but a practical requirement
>> if one wants insurance.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
The insurance industry will use any lame excuse they can come up with to
charge more or deny coverage. How does the higher hull value equate to
an AME issued medical?
The requirement for a medical issued within the last ten years is total
nonsense. It was added by a congress critter who wanted his name on the
bill. There is absolutely no substance to or basis for that requirement.
Lyle Peterson
EAA 269676
On 8/5/2016 5:53 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
> David,
> as an
>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David <dlm34077@cox.net
>> <mailto:dlm34077@cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance
>> company for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and
>> will publish as soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can
>> be shared now is the suggestion that although the FAA may eliminate
>> the requirement for an FAA AME to issue a third class medical, the
>> insurance carriers may still require an AME issued medical for
>> aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be no legal
>> requirement for the AME issued 3^rd class but a practical requirement
>> if one wants insurance.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
The entire piece of legislation is a joke IMO. We still have to visit doct
ors who follow a FAS medial checklist and have logbook endorsements. Nothi
ng has changed with the exception of pulling $$& out of
AME's pockets.
The way this has been sold as 'reform' and 'the end of the medical' for the p
rivate pilot is a joke. I look forward to visiting my doctor in Jan to get
my logbook endorsement.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Lyle Peterson <lyleap@centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> The insurance industry will use any lame excuse they can come up with to c
harge more or deny coverage. How does the higher hull value equate to an AM
E issued medical?
> The requirement for a medical issued within the last ten years is total no
nsense. It was added by a congress critter who wanted his name on the bill.
There is absolutely no substance to or basis for that requirement.
> Lyle Peterson
> EAA 269676
>
>> On 8/5/2016 5:53 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>> David,
>> as an
>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:17 PM, David <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having dealt with the insurance adjustor, broker and the insurance compa
ny for the last five months, I have gleaned a lot of tips and will publish a
s soon as I have my issue settled. One point which can be shared now is the s
uggestion that although the FAA may eliminate the requirement for an FAA AME
to issue a third class medical, the insurance carriers may still require an
AME issued medical for aircraft above a fixed hull value. So there may be n
o legal requirement for the AME issued 3rd class but a practical requirement
if one wants insurance.
>>>
>>>
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It is as usual, the money people make the rules. Depending on whether my
aircraft hull exceeds the threshold, I may switch to a 2 place aircraft and
go bare. When I received my 3rd class medical in March 2016, the AME and I
discussed medical reform and in general some of the applicants he sees. He
indicated that there are a lot of people that will continue to fly with
disqualifying problems. I can understand the insurance company's need to
rate according to the actual risk, especially for significant hull values.
What is significant? I do not know but believe some of the RV10s will
qualify. Certainly some of the new certificated aircraft will qualify. $300k
$500k ??
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
It is all showcase political theater. There wasn't a case for need for
medical evaluation for third class. The required checks don't predict
future health any more than a driver's license.
Prediction of incapacitation in-flight is the issue, and even a first
class medical is poor for that. I can think of a couple cases of that
which have occurred in the airlines in the past 12 months. If we aren't
preventing medical incapacitation, and we really aren't proving physical
capability to act as pilot, what in the heck are we doing? There have
been waivers issued for no arms, for one eye, for all hand controls. Now
I admit paying passengers don't really like seeing a guy in dark
glasses, a red and white cane and service dog in captain's uniform going
into the cockpit...but really what problem are we solving, or is
Congress trying to solve, besides making the public believe that they
are preventing medical incapacitation. We all know it doesn't take super
strength, x ray vision, nor ultrasound hearing.
On 8/5/2016 7:05 PM, David wrote:
> It is as usual, the money people make the rules. Depending on whether my
> aircraft hull exceeds the threshold, I may switch to a 2 place aircraft
> and go bare. When I received my 3^rd class medical in March 2016, the
> AME and I discussed medical reform and in general some of the applicants
> he sees. He indicated that there are a lot of people that will continue
> to fly with disqualifying problems. I can understand the insuranceu
> companys need to rate according to the actual risk, especially for
> significant hull values. What is significant? I do not know but believe
> some of the RV10s will qualify. Certainly some of the new certificated
> aircraft will qualify. $300k $500k ??
>
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| Subject: | Re: medical reform |
+1 Well said Kelly
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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