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1. 12:45 AM - FS Hartzell S-1-15 prop governor (woxofswa)
2. 01:14 AM - Re: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (Werner Schneider)
3. 05:33 AM - MT prop Governor (Terry Moushon)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (Phillip Perry)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (woxofswa)
6. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (Rick Lark)
7. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (Phillip Perry)
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| Subject: | FS Hartzell S-1-15 prop governor |
Get one before the run clears them out!
I have a Hartzell S-1-15 Prop governor. Made in USA!
This unit was shipped by Lycoming on a Thunderbolt 540. This unit was pulled off
of a Bearhawk project to serve as a donor unit to get me home from my AOG divert
escapade in Tuba City after my MT fail. It has an easy to adapt to arm already
installed.
This unit has less than two hours operation on it, involving two test runs and
a 1.3 hour flight where it worked flawlessly.
I bought the owner a brand new replacement one because he deserved it.
I can't use this one long term because it is designated for a wide deck engine
and I have a narrow deck.
Disclaimer. Upon arrival home we did find metal in the finger filter and oil filter
media. We drained the oil through a paint filter and found nothing so the
filters did their job and the oil was clean. The filter in the PG gasket was
also clean. Nevertheless, I would have this unit disassembled, cleaned, and
reassembled just in case. If you buy this and damage is found, I will refund
your money.
$1,000 OBO shipped as is with filter gasket.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459640#459640
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great
they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription
possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not
Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side
but is no excuse.
I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the
list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the
manager to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday...
But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support
email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is
impacted or not.
They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep
analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list.
Werner
On 19.08.2016 02:59, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> I agree with Phil 100%. Every time I speak with MT, I get a new
> "Definitive" answer. I am really disappointed in how MT has handled this
> situation so far. This does not give me great confidence in their company.
>
> I wish they would come out publicly and at least tell us they are
> looking into it. All of the info we have is second hand and most
> contradictory.
>
> Shannon
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> <javascript:;>>
>
> Perhaps it's just me, but having MT develop a solution to the gov so
> quickly makes me uneasy.
>
> To my knowledge, none if the failed gov's have been forensically
> examined by MT in a lab.
>
> Yet, they're getting ready to publish a solution?
>
> Isn't step #1 to the solution a root cause analysis?
>
> Even with a SB coming out, I'm still uneasy and ultimately skeptical
> that the solution addresses a problem that isn't fully understood by
> them.
>
> Or, perhaps they HAVE known the details and fully understood the
> potential for failure, but failed to address it until the units
> began failing in the field? I know that's conspiracy theory stuff,
> but it would be the only way they could develop a solution for
> failures they haven't researched.
>
> Either way, I'm uneasy with a solution that comes out of MT without
> having real analysis performed on the failed parts.
>
> Just had to get that off my chest because I feel like others are
> thinking (or feeling) the same thing. Thanks for letting me rant
> for just a moment.....
>
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | MT prop Governor |
RV10
Engine YIO-540-D4A5 from Vans delivered June 2014
Prop, MT. P-860-3 (s/n 13G124G) manufactured in(2-13) from Vans
46.9 total hours with NO issues
An Inquiry to MT Germany, my Governor S/N will be impacted by SB31 when rele
ased. I have removed it and sent it to MT USA in Florida for update. I was i
nformed that the Tech folks of MT USA (Florida) were in Germany, due back on
Monday. Update parts ??? should arrive in Florida in the next few days.
IMOP while I don=99t like surprises...the fact that MT responded quick
ly/honestly to an email inquiry indicates they are focused on the issue.
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far there
have been 4 problems with the PG.
Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27
(Seized Bushing).
Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to getting
this issue recognized as a trend.
That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that
didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the
US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd
never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed".
According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back."
Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where
any of the three related failures were ever properly examined.
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great
> they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription
> possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not
> Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but
> is no excuse.
>
> I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the
> list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager
> to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday...
>
> But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support
> email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is
> impacted or not.
>
> They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep
> analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list.
>
> Werner
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
Been advised second hand that there have been five. Trying to track down the details.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459650#459650
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
Phil my governor was sent back by Tiffin Aire about July 13th.
Rick
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far there
> have been 4 problems with the PG.
>
> Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27
> (Seized Bushing).
> Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to getting
> this issue recognized as a trend.
>
> That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that
> didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the
> US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd
> never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed".
> According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back."
>
> Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where
> any of the three related failures were ever properly examined.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great
>> they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription
>> possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not
>> Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but
>> is no excuse.
>>
>> I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the
>> list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager
>> to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday...
>>
>> But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support
>> email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is
>> impacted or not.
>>
>> They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep
>> analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list.
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
Yeah... I don't relate your SB #27 failure to the upcoming SB #31
failures. I'm concerned that they are developing a SB for the weight
issue without having laid their hands on a failed PG for a detailed
analysis...
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
> Phil my governor was sent back by Tiffin Aire about July 13th.
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Which PG did they get their hands on for detailed analysis? So far
>> there have been 4 problems with the PG.
>>
>> Rick Lark - Which was an unrelated failure and traced back to SB #27
>> (Seized Bushing).
>> Todd Stovall and Myron Nelson- Just occurred and were the shove to
>> getting this issue recognized as a trend.
>>
>> That leaves Joel Graber who experienced the very first failure - one that
>> didn't puncture the casing leading to oil loss. Joel sent his back to the
>> US office of MT and they returned it to him with a comment that they'd
>> never seen this before and "governor is scrapped due to overspeed".
>> According to Joel, he "paid them to take it apart and send it back."
>>
>> Unless there's a 5th out there that we aren't aware of, I don't see where
>> any of the three related failures were ever properly examined.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I know 2nd hand info is always a bit of an unease and it would be great
>>> they would announce this things public as well, as having a subscription
>>> possibility to their SB's would help. Now the company is tech savvy not
>>> Internet savvy so that might explain a bit the shortcoming on that side but
>>> is no excuse.
>>>
>>> I had a call today with MT Germany support and he confirmed he has the
>>> list of 860-3 which needs to be fixed, the problem is he needs the manager
>>> to sign the SB for release and they have summer holiday...
>>>
>>> But for everyone in that published time range you can get the support
>>> email off their web page and he will openly answer you if your serial is
>>> impacted or not.
>>>
>>> They did, after the first failure and the following once an in deep
>>> analysis and could track the issue down so that is why they have that list.
>>>
>>> Werner
>>>
>>>
>
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