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1. 01:54 PM - Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter (Sean Stephens)
2. 03:06 PM - Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter (Marcus Cooper)
3. 03:25 PM - Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter (schmoboy)
4. 07:43 PM - Re: MT prop governor (Tim Lewis)
5. 08:11 PM - Re: MT prop governor (Tim Olson)
6. 08:19 PM - Re: MT prop governor (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:22 PM - Re: MT prop governor (Kelly McMullen)
8. 09:07 PM - Re: MT prop governor (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter |
Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil
separator?
http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators
I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line.
-Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31)
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter |
Looks neat. I don't have any experience but might also be interested. Any idea
on the price, can't find one on the website?
Marcus
800 hours
Do kit archive
> On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
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> Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil separator?
>
> http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators
>
> I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line.
>
> -Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter |
$246.95 at Aircraft Spruce for the RV-10 model.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/superSlime2.php
cooprv7(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Looks neat. I don't have any experience but might also be interested. Any idea
on the price, can't find one on the website?
>
> Marcus
> 800 hours
>
> Do kit archive
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> > On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have experience with Airflow Systems Super Slime Fighter air oil separator?
> >
> > http://www.airflow-systems.com/air-oil-separators
> >
> > I like the idea of not having to plumb a return line.
> >
> > -Sean #40303 (waiting to see if my prop gov is included in SB#31)
> >
> >
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> >
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459784#459784
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop governor |
From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is at
http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf
If I read this correctly...
P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max
RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2)
P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear
reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees
(page 4)
P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction of
.895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4).
I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck
IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins
faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal
difference between these models.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
A&P
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 740 hrs
David wrote on 8/18/2016 5:43 PM:
>
> My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the
> initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I
> believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already
> installed. If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were
> the P-860-3 models, so it seems that the narrow deck governor has
> not had a problem.
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop governor |
That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something
for my RV-14.
The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM
governor on it's
front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread.
I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine.
Sure, you
can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable
anyway.
Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and
in fact
buy a longer arm.
There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the
IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I
didn't
go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in
misquoting me
which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the
information
verified at Lycoming too.
Tim
On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is
> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf
>
> If I read this correctly...
>
> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max
> RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2)
>
> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear
> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees
> (page 4)
>
> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction
> of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4).
>
> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck
> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins
> faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal
> difference between these models.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop governor |
Not sure what the intent of the table is. Shows a P-860-19 for the RV-10
with the 2557 rpm. All wide deck 540s have the same gear ratio, and all
the narrow deck have the slightly lower gear ration. It has to do with what
gear is inside the engine.
If you do the math, 2700 times .947 is 2557.
-sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Tim Lewis <TimRVator@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is at
> http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf
>
> If I read this correctly...
>
> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max RPM
> of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2)
>
> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear
> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees (pag
e
> 4)
>
> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction of
> .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4).
>
> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck IO-540-C4B5.
> It appears from the MT document that the governor spins faster on a wide
> deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal difference between
> these models.
>
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> A&P
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 740 hrs
>
>
> David wrote on 8/18/2016 5:43 PM:
>
>>
>> My prop governor is an MT P-420-17, serial 044016; I was one of the
>> initial purchasers of the certificated Lycoming IO540D4A5 from Vans. I
>> believe the engine came from Lycoming with the governor already installe
d.
>> If I understand correctly all the failures on the RV10 were the P-860-3
>> models, so it seems that the =9Cnarrow deck=9D governor has
not had a problem.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop governor |
Hmmm,
The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the
narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360.
I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained it
to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5, for a
wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two more
cylinders.
On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something
> for my RV-14.
> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM
> governor on it's
> front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread.
> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine.
> Sure, you
> can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable
> anyway.
> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and
> in fact
> buy a longer arm.
> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the
> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I
> didn't
> go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in
> misquoting me
> which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the
> information
> verified at Lycoming too.
> Tim
>
>
> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote:
>>
>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is
>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf
>>
>> If I read this correctly...
>>
>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max
>> RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2)
>>
>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear
>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees
>> (page 4)
>>
>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction
>> of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4).
>>
>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck
>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins
>> faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal
>> difference between these models.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop governor |
I actually had to call Lycoming and have them dig in to the question to
get the answer.
I don't have the info handy, but there is something that they provided
for me on
their documentation that basically says the Wide deck engines other than the
IO-390 use the .947:1, and then the IO-390 uses the .895:1. I had to
get the normal
tech support lycoming people to escalate the question though because
they too
found the info hard to get. At any rate, what bugged me about it is, I
literally
spent tens of hours trying to get to the bottom of it. I was convinced
that everyone
else (MT/Van's/Hartzell) was wrong and PCU5000X was right, until
Lycoming finally
found that info for me. Then once they did, it went the other way.
Funny how hard it was to get accurate info...you'd think a certified
engine company
would have every last detail on their engines, at least the brand new ones.
Shocking that they didn't.
Tim
On 8/22/2016 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Hmmm,
> The IO-390 IS a wide deck engine, just the cylinders had to use the
> narrow deck attachment to allow for the extra bore over the IO-360.
> I too thought it was a narrow deck at first until a Lyc rep explained
> it to me. You will also see on the IO-580 that it uses the P-860-5,
> for a wide deck engine. That engine is the same as the -390 with two
> more cylinders.
>
> On 8/22/2016 8:08 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> That sounds about right based on what I found when looking for something
>> for my RV-14.
>> The RV-14 BTW, with an IO-390, would also use an .895:1 / 2420 RPM
>> governor on it's
>> front pad, just for those who may stumble on this thread.
>> I have the P-860-3 on my IO-540 Narrow Deck, which is also just fine.
>> Sure, you
>> can get it with a different head position but most of that is adjustable
>> anyway.
>> Even on my RV-14, using the Hartzell S-1-79, I had to tweak the arm, and
>> in fact
>> buy a longer arm.
>> There are people (PCU5000X is one of them) who mistakenly think that the
>> IO-390 should use a .947:1 ratio governor. That's the primary reason I
>> didn't
>> go with them when building...because they were the odd man out in
>> misquoting me
>> which one to use. But then again, it was like pulling teeth to get the
>> information
>> verified at Lycoming too.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On 8/22/2016 9:40 PM, Tim Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> From the VAF thread, I see the MT Governor Installations document is
>>> at http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/list_gov_e-1057.pdf
>>>
>>> If I read this correctly...
>>>
>>> P-860-3 is specified for an IO-360 with gear reduction .895:1 and max
>>> RPM of 2420+/-10, head position 100 degrees (page 2)
>>>
>>> P-880-20 is specified for an IO-540 (wide deck, I presume) with gear
>>> reduction of .947:1, max rpm of 2557+/-10, head position 315 degrees
>>> (page 4)
>>>
>>> P-880-21 is specified for an IO-540 (narrow deck) with gear reduction
>>> of .895:1, max rpm of 2420+/- 10, head position 315 degrees (page 4).
>>>
>>> I have a P-860-3 (from Van's, as I recall) on my narrow deck
>>> IO-540-C4B5. It appears from the MT document that the governor spins
>>> faster on a wide deck IO-540. I don't know if there is any internal
>>> difference between these models.
>>>
>>>
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