---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/01/16: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (Carl Froehlich) 2. 10:21 AM - Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (tsts4) 3. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (Tim Olson) 4. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (Jeff Carpenter) 5. 10:53 AM - Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (Lenny Iszak) 6. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (P Reid) 7. 11:58 AM - Aeroled Aerosun VX (whodja) 8. 12:53 PM - =?UTF-8?Q?Re:__Aeroled_Aerosun_VX? (ramos@hotelflorenca.com) 9. 01:28 PM - Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's (woxofswa) 10. 05:06 PM - Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX (Kelly McMullen) 11. 06:00 PM - Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX (P Reid) 12. 06:38 PM - Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX (Patrick Thyssen) 13. 08:58 PM - Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX (Kelly McMullen) 14. 11:04 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 15. 11:11 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) 16. 11:39 PM - Cee Baileys Windscreen/lenses (P Reid) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:43 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's +1 I installed PCU-5000X governors on an RV-8A and RV-10. Flawless. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:14 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's When I was making this decision, I spoke with the service guys at the largest prop shops in the country, and asked them, which governors do they "never" see for maintenance. They have a good perspective of how this stuff holds up years or hundreds or hours later. The feedback I got was they never see PCU governors, rock solid. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:31 PM, P Reid wrote: Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years. On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:21 PM, tsts4 wrote: So if you have been following the MT prop gov saga, you are most likely aware that we established that the Hartzell gov for the 540 comes in two flavors: S-1-26 for narrow decks S-1-32 for wide decks We also had established, or I thought we had, that Van's carried both but under the un-intuitive nomenclature in the catalog of O-540 and IO-540 (I say un-intuitive because the fuel delivery system has no bearing on the correct type of gov for a given engine). Any way, thus informed, I ordered the O-540 version under the impression I would get the S-1-26 narrow deck model. Nope. The box had O-540 written on the outside but also a printed sticker that said S-1-32. My heart sank. I opened the box all the way up to verify ad sure enough it's an S-1-32 wide deck model. So I get to call Van's tomorrow and see what I need to do to return it. I guess I'll also see if they have any S-1-26s still sitting on the shelf. ARGGGHHHHHH. :( -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460078#460078 ============ 0-List Email Forum - > br> r?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============ sp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > ://forums.matronics.com ============ sp; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - /wiki.matronics.com ============ sp; - List Contribution Web Site - sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. tion">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:38 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's From: "tsts4" OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460094#460094 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's From: Tim Olson I found a post on VAF where you could buy it with a coupon code for us and get it for something like $1200. Tim On 9/1/2016 12:20 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460094#460094 > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:41 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's Repost: For those looking for an alternative governor, here is what I am using with my YIO-540-D4A5 and Hartzell Blended Airfoil. This was recommended to me by Gary Sobek. PCU5000.COM I purchased through: Ameritech Industries dba American Propeller Service Repair Station No. NO3R717L 20208 Charlanne Drive Redding, CA 96002 Phone: (530) 221 4470 Fax: (530) 221 5210 Email: sales@ameritech-aviation.com Jeff Carpenter N410CF Flying On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:20 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460094#460094 > > > > > > > > > > Westcott Press 1121 Isabel Street Burbank, CA 91506 jeff@westcottpress.com 818-861-7300 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's From: "Lenny Iszak" Just to stir the pot a bit more. :) It looks like the MT governor was developed from the Jihostroj / PCU a while back. Looking at some pictures of the Hartzell internals the flyweights are one machined piece. The MT is welded. The welds failed. It might be worth a look how the PCU is made. If it's true that some kind of weird vibration is causing the problem a similarly constructed governor may also fail the same way. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460097#460097 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:19 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=19021&highlight=pcu5000 You'll notice it's from the same place Jeff referenced. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 10:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's I found a post on VAF where you could buy it with a coupon code for us and get it for something like $1200. Tim On 9/1/2016 12:20 PM, tsts4 wrote: > > OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF > RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460094#460094 > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX From: "whodja" Landing light lens installation kit needs to be modified so the lens fits tight. The edge of the lens tends to protrude and not fit flush on the wing rib side. The outside near the tip seam fits very well. It looks like the only we to make a nice smooth blend from the fiberglass to the lens is to build up the fiberglass. Has anyone had the same issue? Any recommendations on how best to fix the issue? Working on QB wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460100#460100 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:49 PM PST US From: ramos@hotelflorenca.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_RV10-List:_Aeroled_Aerosun_VX? 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Someday we all need to hook up at an airshow and have a good laugh. BTW, when I was installing my A/C compressor, it didn't fit. It was only slightly off, but still didn't fit. Bill and I spent weeks trying to figure out the problem. I read him the model number right off of the box dropped sent from the warehouse in Texas. He confirmed it was right. We were down to considering trimming some cylinder fins to make it work. Turns out that the factory put an identically looking unit that was slightly larger in the wrong box. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Flew May 10 2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460102#460102 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:17 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX Sounds like you either did not have lens correctly oriented when you trimmed, or you haven't trimmed enough. You can get higher quality, already mostly trimmed lens from Cee Bailey division of Desser Tire. They sell pre-trimmed replacement windows and windshield as well. -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, whodja wrote: > > Landing light lens installation kit needs to be modified so the lens fits > tight. The edge of the lens tends to protrude and not fit flush on the wing > rib side. The outside near the tip seam fits very well. It looks like the > only we to make a nice smooth blend from the fiberglass to the lens is to > build up the fiberglass. Has anyone had the same issue? Any recommendations > on how best to fix the issue? > > Working on QB wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460100#460100 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:54 PM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX SSBjb21wbGV0ZWx5IGFncmVlLiBUaGUgcXVhbGl0eSBJIGFsc28gYmV0dGVyLiBJIGhhdmUgdGhl aXIgbGVucyBhbmQgd2luZHNjcmVlbiBhbmQgaW4gYm90aCBjYXNlcyBpdCBjbGVhcmVyIGFuZCDi gJxmZWVsc+KAnSBtb3JlIHNvbGlkLiBXaXRoIHRoZSBsZW5zZXMgYW5kIHRoZSB3aW5kc2NyZWVu IHRoZXkgY29tZSBzbGlnaHRseSBsYXJnZXIgdG8gYWxsb3cgZm9yIGZpbmFsIHRyaW0uIEl0IG1p bmltYWwgd29yayBjb21wYXJlZCB0byBjdXR0aW5nIGxlbnNlcyBpbiBoYWxmIGFuZCB0cmltbWlu ZyBhbmQgd2F5IGxlc3MgdGhhbiB0aGUgd2luZHNjcmVlbi4gSW4gZ2VuZXJhbCwgSSBoaWdobHkg cmVjb21tZW5kIHRoZSB0aXJlcywgdHViZXMsIChiYXNpY2FsbHkgdGhlIFJWLTEwIGtpdCkgZnJv bSBEZXNzZXIgYW5kIHRoZSB3aW5kb3dzIGFuZCBsZW5zZXMgZnJvbSBDZWUgYmFpbGV5cywgYWxs IHRoZSBzYW1lIHNpdGUgYnkgdGhlIHdheSBhbmQgc2tpcHBpbmcgdGhlIHBhcnRzIHNlbnQgYnkg VmFucyBpbiBraXRzLg0KRXF1YWwgb3IgbGVzcyBpbiBwcmljZSB0aGFuIFZhbnMgYW5kIGJldHRl ciBxdWFsaXR5LSBhbHNvIHNoaXBwaW5nIGZvciBldmVyeXRoaW5nIGV4Y2VwdCB0aGUgd2luZHNj cmVlbiBpcyB1c3VhbGx5IGZyZWUuDQpUaGVyZSBpcyBhIGRlZGljYXRlZCBzaXRlIGZvciBWYW5z LWh0dHA6Ly93d3cudmFuc2FpcmNyYWZ0dGlyZXMuY29tL2NhdGVnb3JpZXMvUlYlMjUyZDEwLw0K DQpGcm9tOiBvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gW21haWx0bzpvd25l ci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21dIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBLZWxseSBNY011 bGxlbg0KU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIFNlcHRlbWJlciAwMSwgMjAxNiA1OjA1IFBNDQpUbzogcnYx MC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IEFlcm9sZWQgQWVy b3N1biBWWA0KDQpTb3VuZHMgbGlrZSB5b3UgZWl0aGVyIGRpZCBub3QgaGF2ZSBsZW5zIGNvcnJl Y3RseSBvcmllbnRlZCB3aGVuIHlvdSB0cmltbWVkLCBvciB5b3UgaGF2ZW4ndCB0cmltbWVkIGVu b3VnaC4NCllvdSBjYW4gZ2V0IGhpZ2hlciBxdWFsaXR5LCBhbHJlYWR5IG1vc3RseSB0cmltbWVk IGxlbnMgZnJvbSBDZWUgQmFpbGV5IGRpdmlzaW9uIG9mIERlc3NlciBUaXJlLiBUaGV5IHNlbGwg cHJlLXRyaW1tZWQgcmVwbGFjZW1lbnQgd2luZG93cyBhbmQgd2luZHNoaWVsZCBhcyB3ZWxsLg0K DQotc2VudCBmcm9tIHRoZSBJLWNoaXAgaW1wbGFudGVkIGluIG15IGZvcmVhcm0NCg0KT24gVGh1 LCBTZXAgMSwgMjAxNiBhdCAxMTo1NyBBTSwgd2hvZGphIDx3aG9kamFAZ21haWwuY29tPG1haWx0 bzp3aG9kamFAZ21haWwuY29tPj4gd3JvdGU6DQotLT4gUlYxMC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVk IGJ5OiAid2hvZGphIiA8d2hvZGphQGdtYWlsLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86d2hvZGphQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4+ DQoNCkxhbmRpbmcgbGlnaHQgbGVucyBpbnN0YWxsYXRpb24ga2l0IG5lZWRzIHRvIGJlIG1vZGlm aWVkIHNvIHRoZSBsZW5zIGZpdHMgdGlnaHQuIFRoZSBlZGdlIG9mIHRoZSBsZW5zIHRlbmRzIHRv IHByb3RydWRlIGFuZCBub3QgZml0IGZsdXNoIG9uIHRoZSB3aW5nIHJpYiBzaWRlLiBUaGUgb3V0 c2lkZSBuZWFyIHRoZSB0aXAgc2VhbSBmaXRzIHZlcnkgd2VsbC4gSXQgbG9va3MgbGlrZSB0aGUg b25seSB3ZSB0byBtYWtlIGEgbmljZSBzbW9vdGggYmxlbmQgZnJvbSB0aGUgZmliZXJnbGFzcyB0 byB0aGUgbGVucyBpcyB0byBidWlsZCB1cCB0aGUgZmliZXJnbGFzcy4gSGFzIGFueW9uZSBoYWQg dGhlIHNhbWUgaXNzdWU/IEFueSByZWNvbW1lbmRhdGlvbnMgb24gaG93IGJlc3QgdG8gZml4IHRo ZSBpc3N1ZT8NCg0KV29ya2luZyBvbiBRQiB3aW5ncw0KDQoNCg0KDQpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMg b25saW5lIGhlcmU6DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhw P3A9NDYwMTAwIzQ2MDEwMA0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT0NCi1MaXN0IiByZWw9Im5vcmVmZXJyZXIiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRw Oi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1JWMTAtTGlzdA0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpGT1JVTVMgLQ0KZWZlcnJlciIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsi Pmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09DQpXSUtJIC0NCmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL3dpa2kubWF0 cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpiIFNpdGUg LQ0KICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCnJlbD0ibm9yZWZlcnJlciIg dGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCj09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX From: Patrick Thyssen Really how many of vans wind screens and lens have you installed vs Dee bial ys have you put in? What, you did one and now your an expert I think not. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:00 PM, P Reid wrote: > > I completely agree. The quality I also better. I have their lens and winds creen and in both cases it clearer and =9Cfeels=9D more solid. W ith the lenses and the windscreen they come slightly larger to allow for fin al trim. It minimal work compared to cutting lenses in half and trimming and way less than the windscreen. In general, I highly recommend the tires, tub es, (basically the RV-10 kit) from Desser and the windows and lenses from Ce e baileys, all the same site by the way and skipping the parts sent by Vans i n kits. > Equal or less in price than Vans and better quality- also shipping for eve rything except the windscreen is usually free. > There is a dedicated site for Vans-http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/catego ries/RV%252d10/ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:05 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX > > Sounds like you either did not have lens correctly oriented when you trimm ed, or you haven't trimmed enough. > You can get higher quality, already mostly trimmed lens from Cee Bailey di vision of Desser Tire. They sell pre-trimmed replacement windows and windshi eld as well. > > -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, whodja wrote: > > Landing light lens installation kit needs to be modified so the lens fits t ight. The edge of the lens tends to protrude and not fit flush on the wing r ib side. The outside near the tip seam fits very well. It looks like the onl y we to make a nice smooth blend from the fiberglass to the lens is to build up the fiberglass. Has anyone had the same issue? Any recommendations on ho w best to fix the issue? > > Working on QB wings > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460100#460100 > > > > > > > > ========================= > -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV10-List > ========================= > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========================= > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========================= > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:05 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX Ask Pascal...IIRC he had to replace his Vans windshield. Having done Vans winshield myself, it is nothing to write home about, having replaced a fair number of windows//windshields on certified aircraft. Kelly A&P/IA -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Thyssen wrote : > Really how many of vans wind screens and lens have you installed vs Dee > bialys have you put in? What, you did one and now your an expert I think > not. > Just my 2 cents. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:00 PM, P Reid wrote: > > I completely agree. The quality I also better. I have their lens and > windscreen and in both cases it clearer and =9Cfeels=9D more solid. With the > lenses and the windscreen they come slightly larger to allow for final > trim. It minimal work compared to cutting lenses in half and trimming and > way less than the windscreen. In general, I highly recommend the tires, > tubes, (basically the RV-10 kit) from Desser and the windows and lenses > from Cee baileys, all the same site by the way and skipping the parts sen t > by Vans in kits. > > Equal or less in price than Vans and better quality- also shipping for > everything except the windscreen is usually free. > > There is a dedicated site for Vans-http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/ > categories/RV%252d10/ > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com ] *On Behalf > Of *Kelly McMullen > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:05 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX > > > Sounds like you either did not have lens correctly oriented when you > trimmed, or you haven't trimmed enough. > > You can get higher quality, already mostly trimmed lens from Cee Bailey > division of Desser Tire. They sell pre-trimmed replacement windows and > windshield as well. > > > -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, whodja wrote: > > > Landing light lens installation kit needs to be modified so the lens fits > tight. The edge of the lens tends to protrude and not fit flush on the wi ng > rib side. The outside near the tip seam fits very well. It looks like the > only we to make a nice smooth blend from the fiberglass to the lens is to > build up the fiberglass. Has anyone had the same issue? Any recommendatio ns > on how best to fix the issue? > > Working on QB wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460100#460100 > > > ======================== =========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www. > matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ======================== =========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > ======================== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:50 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post until you receive the second conformation email message. ***************************** *** How to Post a Message *** ***************************** Send an email message to: rv10-list@matronics.com Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed to the List. ***************************************************** *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post *** ***************************************************** When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor. If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that gets posted to the Lists. Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * RV10-List.FAQ - Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * RV10-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * RV10-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10 ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV10-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:06 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV10-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. 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