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1. 09:53 AM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (P Reid)
2. 10:14 AM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Tim Olson)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Danny Riggs)
4. 11:24 AM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Tim Olson)
5. 12:02 PM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (P Reid)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Danny Riggs)
7. 12:14 PM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Danny Riggs)
8. 12:22 PM - Airport Courtesy Cars App/Website Update (gbrasch)
9. 12:31 PM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Tim Olson)
10. 12:56 PM - Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. (woxofswa)
11. 01:04 PM - parts (Linn Walters)
12. 01:13 PM - Re: parts (Shannon Hicks)
13. 01:16 PM - Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX (Danny Riggs)
14. 01:16 PM - Re: parts (Lenny Iszak)
15. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: parts (Linn Walters)
16. 07:49 PM - Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX (dmaib@me.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
I can verify that the standard Van's windshield for the RV 10 doesn't fit co
rrectly on the lower right corner. At first I thought it was just me. But it
's happened to many people. I've never bought anything from Cee Bailey's, bu
t, after my experience I would tend to trust what Pascal is saying. If I we
re doing it again I'd use that part instead.
In contrast, the back window and front windshield both fit real well on the R
V 14 from Van's. So I do like sticking with the factory parts were possible,
but when you can get a better part somewhere else, it's worthwhile. Big exa
mple: Matco front nose axle.
Even bigger example: aftermarket main gear axle extensions.
Tim
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:52 AM, P Reid <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
> Patrick;
> We are on this forum to help each other out. I was merely agreeing with Ke
lly because its been 5 years on my plane and the quality still shows. One ju
st needs to do this once and know there is a difference.
> Living in Southern California I have had the privilege of working with a f
ew local companies creating parts for the RV-10, Anti-splat Aero gust lock; p
laneinnovations SS vents; and Cee Baileys Windscreen and lenses. In the case
of Cee Baileys, I assisted with making recommendations for improvements. We
used my warped (right bottom side did not fit well at all) Vans windscreen a
nd tip lenses and spent months and about 10-12 windscreens assuring that wha
t was finally used by Cee Baileys was indeed better in quality and final fit
on two different canopies, we used two knowing that each canopy may be slig
htly different, it isn=99t perfect but I assure you it is a better fit
out of the box and there is far less work involved to completion. Cee Baile
ys quality is superior, not because of my involvement but because one can li
terally see the difference.
> I gained the satisfaction of knowing that those after me have it easier wi
th better parts available for their planes. I purchased, albeit at a discoun
ted rate, the parts I helped with, I make nothing financial on others purcha
sing the products. I=99ve used them and in some cases contacted the c
ompany and suggested improvements, just like anyone else can do. Although it
wasn=99t Cee Baileys, one company had the same passion for making the
product right, we spent over a year working on a part until the fit was rig
ht. If I thought a product wasn=99t fit for others I would say so. I a
m no expert, far from that, but I will give my agreement on parts, based on
my experience, that may help others in their build process. This doesn
=99t mean having Vans parts isn=99t fine, it is more than fine, and t
hat is based on 5 years of confirming it.
> Pascal
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 8:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX
>
> Ask Pascal...IIRC he had to replace his Vans windshield. Having done Vans w
inshield myself, it is nothing to write home about, having replaced a fair n
umber of windows//windshields on certified aircraft.
> Kelly
> A&P/IA
>
> -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrot
e:
> Really how many of vans wind screens and lens have you installed vs Dee bi
alys have you put in? What, you did one and now your an expert I think not.
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:00 PM, P Reid <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
> I completely agree. The quality I also better. I have their lens and winds
creen and in both cases it clearer and =9Cfeels=9D more solid. W
ith the lenses and the windscreen they come slightly larger to allow for fin
al trim. It minimal work compared to cutting lenses in half and trimming and
way less than the windscreen. In general, I highly recommend the tires, tub
es, (basically the RV-10 kit) from Desser and the windows and lenses from Ce
e baileys, all the same site by the way and skipping the parts sent by Vans i
n kits.
> Equal or less in price than Vans and better quality- also shipping for eve
rything except the windscreen is usually free.
> There is a dedicated site for Vans-http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/catego
ries/RV%252d10/
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:05 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX
>
> Sounds like you either did not have lens correctly oriented when you trimm
ed, or you haven't trimmed enough.
> You can get higher quality, already mostly trimmed lens from Cee Bailey di
vision of Desser Tire. They sell pre-trimmed replacement windows and windshi
eld as well.
>
> -sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, whodja <whodja@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Landing light lens installation kit needs to be modified so the lens fits t
ight. The edge of the lens tends to protrude and not fit flush on the wing r
ib side. The outside near the tip seam fits very well. It looks like the onl
y we to make a nice smooth blend from the fiberglass to the lens is to buil
d up the fiberglass. Has anyone had the same issue? Any recommendations on h
ow best to fix the issue?
>
> Working on QB wings
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460100#460100
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on
an RV-10 until now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
Tim
On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their
> outside vendors. (I hope!)
> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to
> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me
> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a
> Garmin 750 GPS.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | Aeroled Aerosun VX |
I thought he was covering the SB for nose gear mount issue, Although I though Vic
was the one that caught it. Is this different?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Aftermarket suggestions- was RV10-List: Aeroled Aerosun VX
Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on an RV-10 until
now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
Tim
On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of
> their outside vendors. (I hope!) Landed on the mains and slowly
> lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld
> to start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let
> me do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy
> a Garmin 750 GPS.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
Yes it was on my -10.
First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??
NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and
the heat didn't penetrate very well.
The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my foot
by 1/4".
Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open
the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine
mount pretty well.
We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then said
they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work. The
engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was a
composite MT prop and an idling engine.
Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around and
I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on
> an RV-10 until now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
> Tim
>
>
>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their
>> outside vendors. (I hope!)
>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to
>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me
>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a
>> Garmin 750 GPS.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
Tim,
You landed at my airport in Tennessee (2M2)
For fuel while this was going on. But I missed you.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on
> an RV-10 until now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
> Tim
>
>
>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their
>> outside vendors. (I hope!)
>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to
>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me
>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a
>> Garmin 750 GPS.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App/Website Update |
ACC's app is still free in the app stores, and on the web. Currently over 11,000 active pilots are using it, and several businesses and FBO' offer fuel and other product discounts. I recently added a Facebook page which will include updates and events. If you are on Facebook please take a look and like it at www.facebook.com/airportcourtesycars Thanks!
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
Very interesting indeed! So the failure was up in where the strut
connects to the shock doughnuts? Or it was a weld down towards the
nose wheel? I can picture the gear leg folding back under the plane
and that would only happen I'd think if it was up at the shock
mounts that it failed. What a story! Well, glad it came out for
you OK. I sure hope Van's looked fully into it and knows
if there is a chance it would affect anyone else. With all the
parts powdercoated I don't know that any builder would ever find
such a defect until it broke. And this is the first time I've heard
of such a failure. I guess it's one people should be aware of
and we can track it as a group if it happens again.
Very cool that I stopped at your airport for fuel. You just never
know who you'll meet. I try to go where the fuel price is good. :)
Tim
On 9/2/2016 2:11 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>
> Yes it was on my -10.
> First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??
> NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and
the heat didn't penetrate very well.
> The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my foot
by 1/4".
> Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open
the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine
mount pretty well.
> We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then
said they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work.
The engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was
a composite MT prop and an idling engine.
> Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around and
I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on
>> an RV-10 until now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
>>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their
>>> outside vendors. (I hope!)
>>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
>>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
>>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to
>>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me
>>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a
>>> Garmin 750 GPS.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: MT P860-3 Prop Gov fail. |
MT is now finally gathering our actual data. Their past assumptions have been
quite wrong, as evidenced by the wording of the SB.
If you've had a failure or know someone who has, please send the information, serial
number, installation, engine type, failure type, etc, to the following.
Martin.albrecht@mt-propeller.com
This could save lives.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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Is there a searchable parts list for the -10? I'm getting near the end
of my build and have parts left over. Like F-10111 angle brackets.
I'd really like to know where they go!!!! Trying not to go search page
by page .....
Linn
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Linn,
I don't know of any master lists that are floating around, but I just used
google for the parts that I had laying around at the end. The results
would usually be linked to someones build log showing what it was. for
example, searching F-10111 RV10 returns a matronics thread with the actual
plan page.
http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=317594&sid=92c0883d3511dd1e2c8d46aa0904b97f
Shannon
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a searchable parts list for the -10? I'm getting near the end of
> my build and have parts left over. Like F-10111 angle brackets.
> I'd really like to know where they go!!!! Trying not to go search page by
> page .....
> Linn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
No it broke where the nose gear strut is welded to the nose wheel. I always (still
do) thought that it was a potentially weak spot mechanically speaking. I had
to replace pretty everything back thru the firewall to the leading wing spar
on the sides and bottom of the fuselage.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Very interesting indeed! So the failure was up in where the strut connects to
the shock doughnuts? Or it was a weld down towards the
> nose wheel? I can picture the gear leg folding back under the plane
> and that would only happen I'd think if it was up at the shock
> mounts that it failed. What a story! Well, glad it came out for
> you OK. I sure hope Van's looked fully into it and knows
> if there is a chance it would affect anyone else. With all the
> parts powdercoated I don't know that any builder would ever find
> such a defect until it broke. And this is the first time I've heard
> of such a failure. I guess it's one people should be aware of
> and we can track it as a group if it happens again.
>
> Very cool that I stopped at your airport for fuel. You just never
> know who you'll meet. I try to go where the fuel price is good. :)
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On 9/2/2016 2:11 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>>
>> Yes it was on my -10.
>> First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??
>> NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and
the heat didn't penetrate very well.
>> The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my
foot by 1/4".
>> Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open
the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine
mount pretty well.
>> We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then
said they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work.
The engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was
a composite MT prop and an idling engine.
>> Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around
and I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Holy cow! This is on an RV-10? If so I've never heard of that on
>>> an RV-10 until now. Can you verify that it was or wasn't?
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>>>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an
>>>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their
>>>> outside vendors. (I hope!)
>>>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.
>>>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair.
>>>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to
>>>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me
>>>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a
>>>> Garmin 750 GPS.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Van's has a big searchable text file here, called Th List:
https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/parts.txt
Doesn't say a whole lot about the F-10111 though.
Lenny
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Thanks Shannon and Lenny! I can put the f-10111 brackets in my 'not
used' bin!!!
Good idea for Google ..... I wouldn't have looked in OP-37 ......
Linn
On 9/2/2016 4:15 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>
> Van's has a big searchable text file here, called Th List:
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/parts.txt
>
> Doesn't say a whole lot about the F-10111 though.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460206#460206
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroled Aerosun VX |
My windshield install back in '08 was a lot of work. As Tim noted, the right side
was not even close to fitting. It took a huge amount of fiberglass work to
get it faired in to make it look right. I replaced my landing light lenses a year
or two ago due to crazing and fogging. I installed the Cee Bailey lenses and
they were very close to a perfect fit. Took very little work and they seem
to be a more substantial material and they still look like new. If I had to install
another windshield, I would certainly look very closely at Cee Bailey.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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