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1. 05:50 AM - Tire pressure (Terry Moushon)
2. 09:20 AM - Broken wheel pants (Doc)
3. 09:39 AM - Advice (Ron Walker)
4. 10:10 AM - Re: Advice (Rene)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Advice (Carl Froehlich)
6. 10:19 AM - Re: Advice (Danny Riggs)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: Advice (Lenny Iszak)
8. 11:32 AM - Re: Hartzell prop Overhaul/Inspection (woxofswa)
9. 01:10 PM - Re: Advice (Bill Boyd)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: Advice (Rene)
11. 01:58 PM - Re: Advice (David Saylor)
12. 03:00 PM - Re: Advice (Jesse Saint)
13. 03:49 PM - Re: Advice (Bill Watson)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: Advice (Metrocast)
15. 05:07 PM - Re: Advice (Lyle Peterson)
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With only 60 hours now, I have found that 42psi in my mains and 40psi in my nose
tire works best for me. Good clearance and lower vibration while taxi. My wheels
are Matco and balanced with their self adhesive weights.
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| Subject: | Broken wheel pants |
Guys: If you crack (break) a wheel pant from a hard landing, dropping a
wheel off the pavement or what ever ( as has happened to a lot of 10's);
I have found a solid repair is to reinforce the inside of the pant with
some malleable .025 or .032 aluminum formed to fit the pant. Reinforce
the fracture and lay the aluminum over some fiber glass cloth and
epoxy. Counter sink rivet the molded aluminum in place with the epoxy
still wet. I'll guarantee you that the wheel pant will be several times
stronger than the original and it won't add much weight. I agree, you
need to keep 48 to 52 pounds in the tires. I air them until the tread
lies flat on the surface. All the tires need to be balanced to prevent
that vibration that occurs at about 40mph. I was not impressed with the
Carlisle original tires as the were not round and badly out of balance.
Good luck building. Doc N123CV #41087 260hrs now.
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Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to
first flight of my 10 ?
I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems
different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10
with Mike.
Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that
have been through this already ? Anything you would have done
differently ?
Thanks !
--Ron
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My only got ya.....elevator trim. I had it trimmed to where the trim tabs were
aligned with the elevator. Needs to be trimmed nose down. I had a pretty big
pitch up on take off and had to use both hands to set the trim.....one to hold
the stick down and one to push the trim button on the stick. It was an exciting
2-3 seconds.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walker
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Advice
Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to first flight
of my 10 ?
I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems different
though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with Mike.
Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that have been
through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
Thanks !
--Ron
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A few notes:
- If you installed air dams in front of #1 and #2 cylinders, remove them for the
first few flights. After that you can experiment with them, but I suspect they
will end up fairly short.
- Have between half and 3/4 tanks.
- Really verify neutral elevator trim. Neutral defined as trim tab in line with
the elevator trailing edge, not the mid travel position. Have this position
marked on the elevator trim indicator. Use this for takeoff pitch trim.
- Verify elevator trim travel is correct (tab trailing edge down for nose up, tab
trailing edge up for nose down)
- On takeoff roll verify airspeed alive. Abort the takeoff if not.
- After takeoff and clear of trees and obstacles, reduce RPM to 2500. This will
be far more power than you need and will mitigate CHT rise on this first hard
run.
- On the first flight, after at 4500' or so, shift fuel tanks (boost pump on) and
verify fuel pressure and flow before turning off the boost pump.
- Do your first stall at 4500' or so in landing configuration (power at idle and
full flaps). On stall recovery immediately retract the flaps so you don't end
up over speed with them out (this is amazing easy to do in an RV-10 so be careful).
- Defer things like AOA and EFIS compass calibration until later flights.
- Land after 20 min or so. Decompress, pull the cowl and inspect. Go have a beer.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walker
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Advice
Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to first flight
of my 10 ?
I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems different
though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with Mike.
Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that have been
through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
Thanks !
--Ron
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Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't say how I know
THAT one!
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> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to first
flight of my 10 ?
>
> I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems different
though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with Mike.
>
> Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that have been
through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> --Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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Don't forget to set up the alarms in your efis correctly. An uncalibrated AOA yelling
at you on your entire first flight won't be much fun.
Put some weight in the back for the first couple of flights.
Lenny
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Lenny
N311LZ
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop Overhaul/Inspection |
The "ruined my day" comment was just sarcasm. I'm actually appreciative for Rick
for making this post as it was something I hadn't thought about. I notched my
plate holes so now I'll be ready when my motor gets back.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off a 2100
foot grass strip?
Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did my first
flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash trucks available.
Daydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and whether I would be foolish not
to disassemble it and truck it 40 miles on a roll-back for the big day.
Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
-Bill Boyd
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't say how
I
> know THAT one! =F0=9F=98=9C
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to
> first flight of my 10 ?
> >
> > I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems
> different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with
> Mike.
> >
> > Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that
> have been through this already ? Anything you would have done differentl
y ?
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > --Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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What altitude?
What off airport options are there?
I am a chicken when it comes to short runways.so I
know I would not do it, but we all have our own comfort zone. I also
don=99t believe that you want to add any risk factors you
don=99t have to for your first flight.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advice
Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off a
2100 foot grass strip?
Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did my
first flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash trucks
available. Daydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and whether I would
be foolish not to disassemble it and truck it 40 miles on a roll-back
for the big day.
Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
-Bill Boyd
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't say how
I know THAT one! =F0=9F=98=9C
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior
to first flight of my 10 ?
>
> I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems
different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10
with Mike.
>
> Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that
have been through this already ? Anything you would have done
differently ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> --Ron
>
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Ron,
My advice would be to keep it short. Have a plan, like where you're going
to fly and how high. Don't try to fix anything on the first flight.
You'll already be at least a little distracted so wait to tune things up
until later.
After that, I usually plan to fix/adjust/measure one item per flight. As
time goes on you'll get more done but initially I like to focus on just
flying and observing. Make a tweak, land, access.
The comment about some weight in back is a good one. 25-30 lbs in the
baggage makes for a nice flare with pretty neutral stick.
--Dave
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to
> first flight of my 10 ?
>
> I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems
> different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with
> Mike.
>
> Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that
> have been through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> --Ron
>
>
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I wouldn't do it. The danger of a fuel system malfunction or an engine issue
are too high to try for a dead stock landing on a short grass runway. An ab
orted takeoff point would have to be less than 700' probably. If nothing bad
happens it's a non-issue. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. 2100' gras
s is not planning for the worst.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Oct 6, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> What altitude?
>
> What off airport options are there?
>
> I am a chicken when it comes to short runways.so I know I
would not do it, but we all have our own comfort zone. I also don=99
t believe that you want to add any risk factors you don=99t have to fo
r your first flight.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advice
>
> Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off a 2100
foot grass strip?
>
> Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did my firs
t flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash trucks available. D
aydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and whether I would be foolish not to d
isassemble it and truck it 40 miles on a roll-back for the big day.
>
> Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
>
> -Bill Boyd
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't say how I
know THAT one! =F0=9F=98=9C
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior to f
irst flight of my 10 ?
> >
> > I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems dif
ferent though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with Mike.
> >
> > Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that h
ave been through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > --Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I built and live on a 3300' grass strip (with obstructions). I also had
1000+ hours flying off the strip. Not a whole lot of off field options
(and I'm a bit of a connoisseur of such things). My tech advisor and
airport manager suggested doing the first flight elsewhere. I was
hesitant because it means doing the final assembly elsewhere. The
roughness of the field is what made me go elsewhere, thinking " if
something was amiss on the roll, would I detect it easily given all the
new sensations"?
A long smooth strip with flat surroundings is a very good thing... but
my '10 flew beautifully and easily from the beginning so no real lesson
there. If the engine runs and the pitch trim is under control - no problem.
Final assembly took a month or two longer than I anticipated despite
working on it 7 days a week - should have kept it to 5/week. I did get
a chance to work in a hangar along side an A&P - great learning experience.
Best of all, I had to fly from my backyard strip to the test strip each
day. I was never a better takeoff/landing pilot. Three months of 6-7
days a week tailwheel flying = proficiency. You pros may take it for
granted but flying daily takes it up to another level - great prep for
an initial flight even though the '10 has little to do with my 'ol
Maule. Do that if you can.
Bill "thrilling to the view thru my borescope to the delight of the
mosquitoes" Watson
On 10/6/2016 4:07 PM, Bill Boyd wrote:
> Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off a
> 2100 foot grass strip?
>
> Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did my
> first flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash trucks
> available. Daydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and whether I would
> be foolish not to disassemble it and truck it 40 miles on a roll-back
> for the big day.
>
> Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
>
> -Bill Boyd
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com
> <mailto:jdriggs49@msn.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:jdriggs49@msn.com>>
>
> Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't
> say how I know THAT one!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com
> <mailto:n520tx@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> <mailto:n520tx@gmail.com>>
> >
> > Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer
> prior to first flight of my 10 ?
> >
> > I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10
> seems different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the
> factory 10 with Mike.
> >
> > Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from
> those that have been through this already ? Anything you would
> have done differently ?
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > --Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I watched a Lancair test pilot fly a first flight
He ran the airplane with it tied down and people holding the wings down for 2
minutes at full throttle
He said if the engine runs for 2 minutes he can make it back to the airport
Alan
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> On Oct 6, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I built and live on a 3300' grass strip (with obstructions). I also had 1
000+ hours flying off the strip. Not a whole lot of off field options (and I
'm a bit of a connoisseur of such things). My tech advisor and airport mana
ger suggested doing the first flight elsewhere. I was hesitant because it m
eans doing the final assembly elsewhere. The roughness of the field is what
made me go elsewhere, thinking " if something was amiss on the roll, would I
detect it easily given all the new sensations"?
>
> A long smooth strip with flat surroundings is a very good thing... but my
'10 flew beautifully and easily from the beginning so no real lesson there.
If the engine runs and the pitch trim is under control - no problem.
>
> Final assembly took a month or two longer than I anticipated despite worki
ng on it 7 days a week - should have kept it to 5/week. I did get a chance t
o work in a hangar along side an A&P - great learning experience.
>
> Best of all, I had to fly from my backyard strip to the test strip each da
y. I was never a better takeoff/landing pilot. Three months of 6-7 days a w
eek tailwheel flying = proficiency. You pros may take it for granted but
flying daily takes it up to another level - great prep for an initial flig
ht even though the '10 has little to do with my 'ol Maule. Do that if you c
an.
>
> Bill "thrilling to the view thru my borescope to the delight of the mosqui
toes" Watson
>
>
>
>> On 10/6/2016 4:07 PM, Bill Boyd wrote:
>> Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off a 210
0 foot grass strip?
>>
>> Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did my fir
st flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash trucks available.
Daydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and whether I would be foolish not t
o disassemble it and truck it 40 miles on a roll-back for the big day.
>>
>> Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
>>
>> -Bill Boyd
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't say how
I know THAT one! =F0=9F=98=9C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer prior t
o first flight of my 10 ?
>>> >
>>> > I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10 seems d
ifferent though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the factory 10 with Mik
e.
>>> >
>>> > Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from those that
have been through this already ? Anything you would have done differently ?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks !
>>> >
>>> > --Ron
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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And it might well have been the last two minutes that the engine would
run. History is not a good predictor of engine life.
If the OP is concerned about making the first flight from a short grass
strip he should not do it.
On 10/6/2016 4:40 PM, Metrocast wrote:
> I watched a Lancair test pilot fly a first flight
> He ran the airplane with it tied down and people holding the wings
> down for 2 minutes at full throttle
> He said if the engine runs for 2 minutes he can make it back to the
> airport
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 6, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
> <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>> I built and live on a 3300' grass strip (with obstructions). I also
>> had 1000+ hours flying off the strip. Not a whole lot of off field
>> options (and I'm a bit of a connoisseur of such things). My tech
>> advisor and airport manager suggested doing the first flight
>> elsewhere. I was hesitant because it means doing the final assembly
>> elsewhere. The roughness of the field is what made me go elsewhere,
>> thinking " if something was amiss on the roll, would I detect it
>> easily given all the new sensations"?
>>
>> A long smooth strip with flat surroundings is a very good thing...
>> but my '10 flew beautifully and easily from the beginning so no real
>> lesson there. If the engine runs and the pitch trim is under control
>> - no problem.
>>
>> Final assembly took a month or two longer than I anticipated despite
>> working on it 7 days a week - should have kept it to 5/week. I did
>> get a chance to work in a hangar along side an A&P - great learning
>> experience.
>>
>> Best of all, I had to fly from my backyard strip to the test strip
>> each day. I was never a better takeoff/landing pilot. Three months
>> of 6-7 days a week tailwheel flying = proficiency. You pros may
>> take it for granted but flying daily takes it up to another level -
>> great prep for an initial flight even though the '10 has little to do
>> with my 'ol Maule. Do that if you can.
>>
>> Bill "thrilling to the view thru my borescope to the delight of the
>> mosquitoes" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2016 4:07 PM, Bill Boyd wrote:
>>> Just curious - how many of you would make your first -10 flight off
>>> a 2100 foot grass strip?
>>>
>>> Been flying my 6A out of the back yard for 900+ hours now, but did
>>> my first flights out of LWB with 7001 feet of asphalt and crash
>>> trucks available. Daydreaming of the day I finish the 10 and
>>> whether I would be foolish not to disassemble it and truck it 40
>>> miles on a roll-back for the big day.
>>>
>>> Insurance company might have their own thoughts on the matter.
>>>
>>> -Bill Boyd
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com
>>> <mailto:jdriggs49@msn.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <mailto:jdriggs49@msn.com>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, make sure your elevator is centered before take-off. Won't
>>> say how I know THAT one!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Ron Walker <n520tx@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:n520tx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> <mailto:n520tx@gmail.com>>
>>> >
>>> > Posing the question for any sound advice you may have to offer
>>> prior to first flight of my 10 ?
>>> >
>>> > I've been through first flight once already with my 7a. The 10
>>> seems different though. I've already done 6 hrs training in the
>>> factory 10 with Mike.
>>> >
>>> > Anything specific to be aware of ? Any recommendations from
>>> those that have been through this already ? Anything you would
>>> have done differently ?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks !
>>> >
>>> > --Ron
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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