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1. 09:30 AM - Another windscreen Q (Phillip Perry)
2. 09:44 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (P Reid)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (Linn Walters)
4. 09:55 AM - Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike)
5. 09:56 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (P Reid)
6. 09:57 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (Jesse Saint)
7. 10:07 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Kevin Belue)
8. 10:22 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters)
9. 10:23 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (P Reid)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson)
12. 11:28 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters)
13. 11:33 AM - Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks)
14. 11:49 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson)
15. 11:59 AM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (P Reid)
16. 12:09 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks)
17. 12:17 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Linn Walters)
18. 12:21 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks)
19. 12:28 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters)
20. 12:38 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Linn Walters)
21. 12:38 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (P Reid)
22. 12:46 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Ralph E. Capen)
23. 01:20 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Tim Olson)
24. 01:26 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks)
25. 01:51 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike)
26. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson)
27. 02:28 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike)
28. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson)
29. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Jesse Saint)
30. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Marcus Cooper)
31. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Carl Froehlich)
32. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Ben Westfall)
33. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters)
34. 07:29 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Another windscreen Q |
Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs
acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in)
I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of
cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the
windscreen secured in place with Weld-On.
Just collecting info before I proceed.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Another windscreen Q |
My whole plane was sandpaper, no acid etching for me at all.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q
Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs
acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in)
I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of
cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the
windscreen secured in place with Weld-On.
Just collecting info before I proceed.
Thanks,
Phil
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Another windscreen Q |
IMHO and it's only my opinion ..... if the aluminum is clean and without
corrosion the epoxy resin will stick just fine.
However, in your situation, I would lay some 3M fineline tape where the
windshield meets the fuse and wipe the phosphoric acid on the aluminum
using a paper towel .... or either a lightly loaded foam brush so there
isn't a chance of getting the acid under the windshield where you can't
get it out. I've always neutralized the acid with baking soda/water and
drying with a towel.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 12:29 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper
vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in)
>
> I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots
of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the
windscreen secured in place with Weld-On.
>
> Just collecting info before I proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to
the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has
been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that
allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel
bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed
after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me
an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube
failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made
in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin
tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right
side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will
be appreciated.
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
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| Subject: | Another windscreen Q |
I was thinking composite not aluminum- no sandpaper on aluminum at all.
Correction:
I used a scotchbrite pad and vinegar to acid etch all my aluminum, than power
washed area with water. In your case spray vinegar on area and scotchbrite than
wipe down with wet towel, rinse and redo wipe down until it is dull and clean.
Shouldn't be an issue for the hardware if done in sections.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of P Reid
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q
My whole plane was sandpaper, no acid etching for me at all.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q
Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs
acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in)
I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of
cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the
windscreen secured in place with Weld-On.
Just collecting info before I proceed.
Thanks,
Phil
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Another windscreen Q |
We never acid etch it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper
vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in)
>
> I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots
of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the
windscreen secured in place with Weld-On.
>
> Just collecting info before I proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
That's odd- I've used these same tubes for three years without any problems.
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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:54 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go
to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube
has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem
that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the
wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed
after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch
the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave
me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube
failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made
in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin
tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right
side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
will be appreciated.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '15
> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I'd like to know what/where the failures were. I suspect poor assembly
rather than inherent failures of the tubes. Or poor assumptions
relating to the mod. If you used the same hole in the wheel that was
used for the straight stem .... there's your problem. The 90* stems
line up with the parting line in the wheel and require a hole in the
parting line and another hole in the side of the outside wheel half. I
converted my Vans wheels to 90* stems. I flared the inside and outside
of the original stem hole and filled it with flox. Not flying yet so
don't know if my 'mod' is successful.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 12:54 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go
to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube
has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem
that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the
wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed
after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch
the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave
me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube
failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made
in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin
tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right
side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
will be appreciated.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '15
> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260
>
>
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| Subject: | Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I had an issue where an inspection sticker inside the tire wore a hole in
the tube - I thought I got a bad tube...until I wore a hole through the
patch as I put it back together the same way it came apart.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase
After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go
to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this
tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in
the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of
metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My
left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was
ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of
90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the
defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5
months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but
I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just
crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated.
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260
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| Subject: | Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I have the same TU15 Desser tubes, and probably have the longest life on mine as
I got some of the first ones released. I have gone against the" replace tubes
with tires" minds and reinstalled the tubes on the new Monster tires, to date
I have had no issues of leaking at all, that's is after 4 years of flying.
I'll assume the tire pressure is more than 42psi? I run mine at 48psi and never
let them get below 44psi, I am concerned with lower pressures pinching the tires
or rubbing and my pressures seems to work as my tires look pretty good for
tread, I have no shutter (unbalanced rim still) with solid traction.
I can only think they changed manufacturer since I got my tubes. Unfortunately,
I really like mine thus far and would buy them again. How are the Vans tubes
working out? Was it only on the left side? Both times? What about the right? Is
that side fine? If so, there may be something on the left causing the issues,
and your Vans tube may be the next to go on that side... just thinking....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase
After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to
the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has
been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that
allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel
bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed
after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me
an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube
failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made
in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin
tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right
side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will
be appreciated.
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart,
also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes.
One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere.
The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like
scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly,
I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of
the bag. I wasn't happy in either case.
Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them.
I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front
pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I
think I will start raising the pressure slightly just
because we have such large temperature swings here, so if
I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48.
Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel
tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and
then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side,
and all the things you said. But he's talking about the
15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling
or anything else.
Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past
10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in
new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them
yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube
available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if
at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that
ability if it's a quality tube.
Tim
On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote:
>
> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I
> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My
> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to
> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with
> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you
> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6
> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser
> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube.
> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of
> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left
> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side.
> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
> will be appreciated.
>
> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube
manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used
the same hole as the straight stem??
Linn
On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart,
> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes.
> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere.
> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like
> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly,
> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of
> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case.
>
> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them.
> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front
> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I
> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just
> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if
> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48.
>
> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel
> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and
> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side,
> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the
> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling
> or anything else.
>
> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past
> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in
> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them
> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube
> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if
> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that
> ability if it's a quality tube.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote:
>>
>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I
>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My
>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to
>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with
>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you
>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6
>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser
>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube.
>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of
>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left
>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side.
>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
>> will be appreciated.
>>
>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he
heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We
checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still
very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland?
That's what mine are.
Tim
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube manufacturer
being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used the same hole as
the straight stem??
> Linn
>
>> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart,
>> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes.
>> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere.
>> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like
>> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly,
>> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of
>> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case.
>>
>> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them.
>> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front
>> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I
>> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just
>> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if
>> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48.
>>
>> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel
>> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and
>> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side,
>> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the
>> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling
>> or anything else.
>>
>> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past
>> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in
>> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them
>> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube
>> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if
>> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that
>> ability if it's a quality tube.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote:
>>>
>>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I
>>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My
>>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to
>>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with
>>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you
>>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6
>>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
>>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser
>>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube.
>>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of
>>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
>>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left
>>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side.
>>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
>>> will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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| Subject: | Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and
there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire
and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take
to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
>
> I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a
> grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enou
gh
> to cause the fairing to crack.
>
> Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing
> and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way before he hea
rd that
> noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC inch or more away fro
m tire
> to be fine.
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Shannon Hicks
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
>
>
> The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he
> heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We
> checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still
> very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
>
> Any ideas on what may have caused this?
>
> Shannon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
The damage does appear to be from the tire. The reason I say that is
the break down the middle and the oval breaks around the outside. Also
notice a black mark to the left of the center crack at the wheel cutout.
How it got there .... I haven't got a clue.
Linn ....... might have been an accident investigator in a previous life
On 10/14/2016 2:32 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>
> The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when
> he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See
> attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and
> the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
>
> Any ideas on what may have caused this?
>
> Shannon
>
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| Subject: | Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at
another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I
showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think
they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I
never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123@gmail.com> wrote:
> The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and
> there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tir
e
> and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take
> to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
>
> We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
>
> Shannon
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
>> Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
>>
>> I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a
>> grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was eno
ugh
>> to cause the fairing to crack.
>>
>> Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landin
g
>> and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way before he he
ard that
>> noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC inch or more away fr
om tire
>> to be fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Shannon Hicks
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
>>
>>
>>
>> The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he
>> heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We
>> checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still
>> very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
>>
>> Any ideas on what may have caused this?
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Yes, they're Cleveland. However I have a tube with 90* stem in my shop
that has the offset to fit the straight stem wheel. It would point to
the outside of the wheel, not parallel with the axle. I think the tubes
I have came from Desser, but were not the Leak Guard. The stem is in
the center of the inside of the tube, and when mounted the stem is
naturally parallel to the axle, so that drove my mod.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 2:48 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland?
> That's what mine are.
> Tim
>
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube manufacturer
being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used the same hole
as the straight stem??
>> Linn
>>
>>> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart,
>>> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes.
>>> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere.
>>> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like
>>> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly,
>>> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of
>>> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case.
>>>
>>> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them.
>>> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front
>>> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I
>>> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just
>>> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if
>>> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48.
>>>
>>> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel
>>> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and
>>> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side,
>>> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the
>>> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling
>>> or anything else.
>>>
>>> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past
>>> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in
>>> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them
>>> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube
>>> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if
>>> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that
>>> ability if it's a quality tube.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote:
>>>>
>>>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I
>>>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My
>>>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to
>>>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with
>>>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you
>>>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6
>>>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
>>>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser
>>>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube.
>>>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of
>>>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
>>>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left
>>>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side.
>>>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
>>>> will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
Plausible! I would think the lineboy (or linegirl :-)) would have heard
it crack though and didn't want to get into trouble.
I've never let anyone else park and tie down my plane and I have always
carried 1 1/2" aluminum angle for chocks. I also hold the hose when
refueling.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 3:20 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>
> So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week
> at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location.
> When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear.
> I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of
> the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside.
>
> Does that sound plausible?
>
> Shannon
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123@gmail.com
> <mailto:civeng123@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago
> and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap
> between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of
> a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
>
> We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
>
> Shannon
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer@live.com
> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>> wrote:
>
> Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
>
> I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing
> across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight
> ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
>
> Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a
> heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasnt this
> way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to
> be about inch or more away from tire to be fine.
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of
> *Shannon Hicks
> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
>
> The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the
> hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel
> pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire
> and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached.
> Tire pressure was also good.
>
> Any ideas on what may have caused this?
>
> Shannon
>
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| Subject: | Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
That makes sense =93 I carry my own made of PVC
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at
another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I
showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think
they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I
never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123@gmail.com
<mailto:civeng123@gmail.com> > wrote:
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and
there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the
tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it
would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer@live.com
<mailto:rv10flyer@live.com> > wrote:
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a
grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was
enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy
landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way
before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC
inch or more away from tire to be fine.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of Shannon
Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he
heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We
checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still
very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more
like 5/8-3/4"
Tim
On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote:
> Yes, your is plenty so that wasnt it on landing, just like my
> pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see
> for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back
> and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was
> right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they
> fit tightly and accomplish the no move goal.
>
>
> I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a
> plane back into a hangar wouldnt cause this much damage unless the
> wheel pant sat on something after being dropped (aka wood blocks
> holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks.
>
> I think you have this one solved however.
>
> Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue
> with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it!
>
> Pascal
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
Tim,
I'm redoing the fiberglass now, so will look at the gap.
Thanks for the tip.
On Oct 14, 2016 3:23 PM, "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more
> like 5/8-3/4"
>
> Tim
>
> On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote:
>
>> Yes, your =C2=BD is plenty so that wasn=99t it on landing, just li
ke my
>> pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see
>> for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back
>> and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was
>> right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they
>> fit tightly and accomplish the =9Cno move=9D goal.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a
>> plane back into a hangar wouldn=99t cause this much damage unless
the
>> wheel pant =9Csat=9D on something after being dropped (aka w
ood blocks
>> holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks.
>>
>> I think you have this one solved however.
>>
>> Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue
>> with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it!
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I did not put a new hole in the rim as the tube stem lined up fine when installed.
The leak on the left tube that I returned to Desser was in the side wall of
the tube. There was no abrasion on the tube, but it appeared as a "casting"
flaw in the tube where the leak originated. I have not taken the leaking right
tire tube off yet to diagnose the issue. Desser will not give me a refund after
90 days.
Has anyone ever used that slime stuff to stop a leak??
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461285#461285
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I contemplated the slime thing when I was AOG recently.
I'm split on what to do. On one hand, it could
work. On the other, if it leaks out of the tube
you'll have a mess inside your tire and you
probably will plan to re-use the tire. So that would
kind of suck.
On the other hand, if you're stuck out in the boonies and
have no jack, the slime could be a quick fix.
On the 3rd hand (must be an octopus)... If you did use
slime, there are caveats. One being you have to roll
the tire to distribute it. Not a big deal if you have
a jack but if not it wouldn't be convenient. Also, you'd
want to let it sit for a good amount of time to ensure
it indeed was holding. Otherwise, your next experience
with that tire is going to be when you land somewhere...not
the time to have an issue.
I would feel comfortable with an actual tube patch,
and now I carry multiple tube patches in each plane.
2 tubes of cement, and about 5 patches.
I never want to be stuck due to a tube again.
Personally I'd only use the slime in an airplane as
a last resort, but in a car I'd perhaps consider it
quicker.
Tim
On 10/14/2016 3:51 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> I did not put a new hole in the rim as the tube stem lined up fine
> when installed. The leak on the left tube that I returned to Desser
> was in the side wall of the tube. There was no abrasion on the tube,
> but it appeared as a "casting" flaw in the tube where the leak
> originated. I have not taken the leaking right tire tube off yet to
> diagnose the issue. Desser will not give me a refund after 90 days.
> Has anyone ever used that slime stuff to stop a leak??
>
> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want
to turn the tire to distribute the material.
Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and
spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that
it covers the interior of the tube.
In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC
is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess
around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I didn't yet but am interested now.
Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that?
Tim
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want
to turn the tire to distribute the material.
>
> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking
and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see
that it covers the interior of the tube.
>
> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC
is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to
mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
>
> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
>
> --------
> See you OSH '15
> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant plug.
It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted. Center
of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down. Pretty simple
mod.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't yet but am interested now.
> Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that?
> Tim
>
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want
to turn the tire to distribute the material.
>>
>> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking
and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see
that it covers the interior of the tube.
>>
>> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the
QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to
mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
>>
>> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
>>
>> --------
>> See you OSH '15
>> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
Lowes also sells metal plugs of various sizes that work great. In the hardware
section in the specialty bins.
Marcus
On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant plug.
It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted. Center
of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down. Pretty simple
mod.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
do not archive
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't yet but am interested now.
> Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that?
> Tim
>
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want
to turn the tire to distribute the material.
>>
>> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking
and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see
that it covers the interior of the tube.
>>
>> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the
QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to
mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
>>
>> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
>>
>> --------
>> See you OSH '15
>> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I used this:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/lg/wheel_wheelaccess/accessdoors.php
I paint a line on the tire such that when the line is pointed to the ground
the door lines up with the air valve. You need to have an extension like
this:
http://www.cleavelandtool.com/5-Valve-Stem-Extension/productinfo/VSE5/#.WAFj
s-grKUk
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not
purchase
Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant
plug. It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted.
Center of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down.
Pretty simple mod.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't yet but am interested now.
> Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on
that?
> Tim
>
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely
want to turn the tire to distribute the material.
>>
>> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in
jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the
stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube.
>>
>> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and
the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a
pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new
mounts.
>>
>> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
>>
>> --------
>> See you OSH '15
>> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I'll chime in and offer up what Mark Cooper did. Here's his blog entry
about it.
https://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/wheel-pant-modification-cowl-
hinge-pin-retainer-and-an-unexpected-surprise/
More pics here.
https://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/wheel-pants-are-wrapped-up-pr
eparing-cowling-and-additional-fiberglass-finese/
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely
want to turn the tire to distribute the material.
Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking
and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and
see that it covers the interior of the tube.
In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the
QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain
to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
--------
See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I converted my straight valve stem to 90*. I had to modify the wheel
but there are tubes out there that use the same hole as the straight stem.
I ordered 6 1/2" extensions from http://www.eezrvproduct.com/ ...... $6 ea.
A 3/8 hole in the wheelpant for access and a plastic plug to cover the
hole. A spot of paint on the inside of the tire when the stem is lined
up with the hole makes it easy to line up.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 5:27 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want
to turn the tire to distribute the material.
>
> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking
and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see
that it covers the interior of the tube.
>
> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC
is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to
mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts.
>
> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants?
>
> --------
> See you OSH '15
> Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase |
I have to think you got a bad pair of tubes. I bought the exact tubes that
were recommended on Tim's web page, probably around 3 years ago when I was
mounting the gear legs. They are the Desser Leakguard variety, inside
Desser standard recaps. I have been flying since April, and most add air
every 6 wks or so, which is aggravated by our major temp changes. I suppose
I should get a patch kit to put in the airplane spares kit.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland?
> That's what mine are.
> Tim
>
> > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube
> manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used
> the same hole as the straight stem??
> > Linn
> >
> >> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >>
> >> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart,
> >> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes.
> >> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere.
> >> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like
> >> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly,
> >> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of
> >> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case.
> >>
> >> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them.
> >> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front
> >> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I
> >> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just
> >> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if
> >> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48.
> >>
> >> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel
> >> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and
> >> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side,
> >> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the
> >> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling
> >> or anything else.
> >>
> >> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past
> >> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in
> >> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them
> >> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube
> >> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if
> >> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that
> >> ability if it's a quality tube.
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote:
> >>>
> >>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I
> >>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My
> >>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to
> >>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with
> >>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you
> >>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6
> >>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the
> >>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser
> >>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube.
> >>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of
> >>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I
> >>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left
> >>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side.
> >>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue
> >>> will be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
> >>>
> >>>
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