---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/14/16: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:30 AM - Another windscreen Q (Phillip Perry) 2. 09:44 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (P Reid) 3. 09:45 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (Linn Walters) 4. 09:55 AM - Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike) 5. 09:56 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (P Reid) 6. 09:57 AM - Re: Another windscreen Q (Jesse Saint) 7. 10:07 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Kevin Belue) 8. 10:22 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters) 9. 10:23 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Ralph E. Capen) 10. 10:31 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (P Reid) 11. 11:17 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson) 12. 11:28 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters) 13. 11:33 AM - Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks) 14. 11:49 AM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson) 15. 11:59 AM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (P Reid) 16. 12:09 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks) 17. 12:17 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Linn Walters) 18. 12:21 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks) 19. 12:28 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters) 20. 12:38 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Linn Walters) 21. 12:38 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (P Reid) 22. 12:46 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Ralph E. Capen) 23. 01:20 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Tim Olson) 24. 01:26 PM - Re: Weird Broken Wheel Pant (Shannon Hicks) 25. 01:51 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike) 26. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson) 27. 02:28 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (AirMike) 28. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Tim Olson) 29. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Jesse Saint) 30. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Marcus Cooper) 31. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Carl Froehlich) 32. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Ben Westfall) 33. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Linn Walters) 34. 07:29 PM - Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:33 AM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in) I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the windscreen secured in place with Weld-On. Just collecting info before I proceed. Thanks, Phil Do not archive Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:20 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q My whole plane was sandpaper, no acid etching for me at all. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in) I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the windscreen secured in place with Weld-On. Just collecting info before I proceed. Thanks, Phil Do not archive Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q From: Linn Walters IMHO and it's only my opinion ..... if the aluminum is clean and without corrosion the epoxy resin will stick just fine. However, in your situation, I would lay some 3M fineline tape where the windshield meets the fuse and wipe the phosphoric acid on the aluminum using a paper towel .... or either a lightly loaded foam brush so there isn't a chance of getting the acid under the windshield where you can't get it out. I've always neutralized the acid with baking soda/water and drying with a towel. Linn On 10/14/2016 12:29 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in) > > I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the windscreen secured in place with Weld-On. > > Just collecting info before I proceed. > > Thanks, > Phil > > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: "AirMike" After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated. -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:59 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q I was thinking composite not aluminum- no sandpaper on aluminum at all. Correction: I used a scotchbrite pad and vinegar to acid etch all my aluminum, than power washed area with water. In your case spray vinegar on area and scotchbrite than wipe down with wet towel, rinse and redo wipe down until it is dull and clean. Shouldn't be an issue for the hardware if done in sections. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of P Reid Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:43 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q My whole plane was sandpaper, no acid etching for me at all. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in) I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the windscreen secured in place with Weld-On. Just collecting info before I proceed. Thanks, Phil Do not archive Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:21 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another windscreen Q We never acid etch it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. 352-427-0285 jesse@saintaviation.com Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > > Has anyone had success only mechanical etching the upper fuse with sandpaper vs acid etching? (When prepping for the windscreen to be faired in) > > I'd really like to avoid chemically etching that area as I have lots and lots of cash sitting directly below that area in my panel and also already have the windscreen secured in place with Weld-On. > > Just collecting info before I proceed. > > Thanks, > Phil > > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:58 AM PST US From: Kevin Belue Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase That's odd- I've used these same tubes for three years without any problems. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: > > > After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated. > > -------- > See you OSH '15 > Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Linn Walters I'd like to know what/where the failures were. I suspect poor assembly rather than inherent failures of the tubes. Or poor assumptions relating to the mod. If you used the same hole in the wheel that was used for the straight stem .... there's your problem. The 90* stems line up with the parting line in the wheel and require a hole in the parting line and another hole in the side of the outside wheel half. I converted my Vans wheels to 90* stems. I flared the inside and outside of the original stem hole and filled it with flox. Not flying yet so don't know if my 'mod' is successful. Linn On 10/14/2016 12:54 PM, AirMike wrote: > > After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated. > > -------- > See you OSH '15 > Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:38 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I had an issue where an inspection sticker inside the tire wore a hole in the tube - I thought I got a bad tube...until I wore a hole through the patch as I put it back together the same way it came apart..... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated. -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:00 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I have the same TU15 Desser tubes, and probably have the longest life on mine as I got some of the first ones released. I have gone against the" replace tubes with tires" minds and reinstalled the tubes on the new Monster tires, to date I have had no issues of leaking at all, that's is after 4 years of flying. I'll assume the tire pressure is more than 42psi? I run mine at 48psi and never let them get below 44psi, I am concerned with lower pressures pinching the tires or rubbing and my pressures seems to work as my tires look pretty good for tread, I have no shutter (unbalanced rim still) with solid traction. I can only think they changed manufacturer since I got my tubes. Unfortunately, I really like mine thus far and would buy them again. How are the Vans tubes working out? Was it only on the left side? Both times? What about the right? Is that side fine? If so, there may be something on the left causing the issues, and your Vans tube may be the next to go on that side... just thinking.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue will be appreciated. -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461260#461260 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Tim Olson I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart, also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes. One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere. The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly, I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of the bag. I wasn't happy in either case. Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them. I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I think I will start raising the pressure slightly just because we have such large temperature swings here, so if I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48. Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side, and all the things you said. But he's talking about the 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling or anything else. Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that ability if it's a quality tube. Tim On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: > > After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I > decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My > experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to > the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with > air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you > can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 > weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the > plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser > gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. > My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of > flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I > reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left > side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. > These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue > will be appreciated. > > -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Linn Walters Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used the same hole as the straight stem?? Linn On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart, > also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes. > One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere. > The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like > scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly, > I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of > the bag. I wasn't happy in either case. > > Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them. > I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front > pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I > think I will start raising the pressure slightly just > because we have such large temperature swings here, so if > I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48. > > Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel > tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and > then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side, > and all the things you said. But he's talking about the > 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling > or anything else. > > Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past > 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in > new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them > yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube > available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if > at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that > ability if it's a quality tube. > > Tim > > > On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: >> >> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I >> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My >> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to >> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with >> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you >> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 >> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the >> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser >> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. >> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of >> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I >> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left >> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. >> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue >> will be appreciated. >> >> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:30 AM PST US From: Shannon Hicks Subject: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good. Any ideas on what may have caused this? Shannon ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:53 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland? That's what mine are. Tim > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > > Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used the same hole as the straight stem?? > Linn > >> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart, >> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes. >> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere. >> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like >> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly, >> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of >> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case. >> >> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them. >> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front >> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I >> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just >> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if >> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48. >> >> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel >> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and >> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side, >> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the >> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling >> or anything else. >> >> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past >> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in >> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them >> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube >> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if >> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that >> ability if it's a quality tube. >> >> Tim >> >> >>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: >>> >>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I >>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My >>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to >>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with >>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you >>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 >>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the >>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser >>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. >>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of >>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I >>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left >>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. >>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue >>> will be appreciated. >>> >>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:09 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant VW5sZXNzIGhpcyBoYW5nYXIgaGFzIHBvdGhvbGVzIHRoZXJlIGlzIG5vdGhpbmcgSSBjYW4gdGhp bmsgb2YuDQpJIGRpZCBoYXZlIHRoZSBzYW1lIHNpdHVhdGlvbiBleGNlcHQgaW4gbXkgY2FzZSBJ IHdhcyB0YXhpaW5nIGFjcm9zcyBhIGdyYXNzIHN0cmlwIHRvIGdldCB0byBydW53YXkgYW5kIEkg d2VudCBpbnRvIGEgc2xpZ2h0IGRpdGNoIHRoYXQgd2FzIGVub3VnaCB0byBjYXVzZSB0aGUgZmFp cmluZyB0byBjcmFjay4NCllvdXIgcGljdHVyZSBsb29rcyBsaWtlIGEgZmFpcmluZyB0aGF0IHdh cyBjcmFja2VkIGR1ZSB0byBhIGhlYXZ5IGxhbmRpbmcgYW5kIHRpcmVzIGhpdHRpbmcgaXQuIElz IGhlIHN1cmUgaXQgd2FzbuKAmXQgdGhpcyB3YXkgYmVmb3JlIGhlIGhlYXJkIHRoYXQgbm9pc2U/ IEFzIGZvciBjbGVhcmFuY2UgaXQgbmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgYWJvdXQgwrwgaW5jaCBvciBtb3JlIGF3 YXkgZnJvbSB0aXJlIHRvIGJlIGZpbmUuDQoNCkZyb206IG93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJA bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSBbbWFpbHRvOm93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bV0gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mIFNoYW5ub24gSGlja3MNClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgT2N0b2JlciAxNCwg MjAxNiAxMTozMyBBTQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSVjEw LUxpc3Q6IFdlaXJkIEJyb2tlbiBXaGVlbCBQYW50DQoNCg0KVGhlIG90aGVyIGRheSwgbXkgYnVk ZHkgd2FzIHB1c2hpbmcgdGhlIDEwIGJhY2sgaW50byB0aGUgaGFuZ2VyIHdoZW4gaGUgaGVhcmQg YSBjcmFja2luZyBzb3VuZCBmcm9tIHRoZSBsZWZ0IG1haW4gd2hlZWwgcGFudC4gKFNlZSBhdHRh Y2hlZCkgV2UgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgY2xlYXJhbmNlIGZyb20gdGhlIHRpcmUgYW5kIGl0IHdhcyBm aW5lIGFuZCB0aGUgV1Agd2FzIHN0aWxsIHZlcnkgZmlybWx5IGF0dGFjaGVkLiAgVGlyZSBwcmVz c3VyZSB3YXMgYWxzbyBnb29kLg0KDQpBbnkgaWRlYXMgb24gd2hhdCBtYXkgaGF2ZSBjYXVzZWQg dGhpcz8NCg0KU2hhbm5vbg0K ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:27 PM PST US From: Shannon Hicks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2". We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere.... Shannon On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" wrote: > Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of. > > I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a > grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enou gh > to cause the fairing to crack. > > Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing > and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way before he hea rd that > noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC inch or more away fro m tire > to be fine. > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Shannon Hicks > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant > > > The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he > heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We > checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still > very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good. > > Any ideas on what may have caused this? > > Shannon > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant From: Linn Walters The damage does appear to be from the tire. The reason I say that is the break down the middle and the oval breaks around the outside. Also notice a black mark to the left of the center crack at the wheel cutout. How it got there .... I haven't got a clue. Linn ....... might have been an accident investigator in a previous life On 10/14/2016 2:32 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when > he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See > attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and > the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good. > > Any ideas on what may have caused this? > > Shannon > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:18 PM PST US From: Shannon Hicks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside. Does that sound plausible? Shannon On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" wrote: > The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and > there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tir e > and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take > to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2". > > We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere.... > > Shannon > > On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" wrote: > >> Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of. >> >> I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a >> grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was eno ugh >> to cause the fairing to crack. >> >> Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landin g >> and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way before he he ard that >> noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC inch or more away fr om tire >> to be fine. >> >> >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Shannon Hicks >> *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant >> >> >> >> The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he >> heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We >> checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still >> very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good. >> >> Any ideas on what may have caused this? >> >> Shannon >> > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Linn Walters Yes, they're Cleveland. However I have a tube with 90* stem in my shop that has the offset to fit the straight stem wheel. It would point to the outside of the wheel, not parallel with the axle. I think the tubes I have came from Desser, but were not the Leak Guard. The stem is in the center of the inside of the tube, and when mounted the stem is naturally parallel to the axle, so that drove my mod. Linn On 10/14/2016 2:48 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland? > That's what mine are. > Tim > >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >> >> >> Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used the same hole as the straight stem?? >> Linn >> >>> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart, >>> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes. >>> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere. >>> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like >>> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly, >>> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of >>> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case. >>> >>> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them. >>> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front >>> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I >>> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just >>> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if >>> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48. >>> >>> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel >>> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and >>> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side, >>> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the >>> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling >>> or anything else. >>> >>> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past >>> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in >>> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them >>> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube >>> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if >>> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that >>> ability if it's a quality tube. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: >>>> >>>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I >>>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My >>>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to >>>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with >>>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you >>>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 >>>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the >>>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser >>>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. >>>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of >>>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I >>>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left >>>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. >>>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue >>>> will be appreciated. >>>> >>>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant From: Linn Walters Plausible! I would think the lineboy (or linegirl :-)) would have heard it crack though and didn't want to get into trouble. I've never let anyone else park and tie down my plane and I have always carried 1 1/2" aluminum angle for chocks. I also hold the hose when refueling. Linn On 10/14/2016 3:20 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week > at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. > When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. > I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of > the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside. > > Does that sound plausible? > > Shannon > > > On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" > wrote: > > The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago > and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap > between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of > a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2". > > We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere.... > > Shannon > > > On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" > wrote: > > Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of. > > I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing > across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight > ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack. > > Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a > heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasnt this > way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to > be about inch or more away from tire to be fine. > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of > *Shannon Hicks > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant > > The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the > hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel > pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire > and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. > Tire pressure was also good. > > Any ideas on what may have caused this? > > Shannon > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:43 PM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant WWVzLCB5b3VyIMK9IGlzIHBsZW50eSBzbyB0aGF0IHdhc27igJl0IGl0IG9uIGxhbmRpbmcsIGp1 c3QgbGlrZSBteSBwb3Rob2xlLCBwdXR0aW5nIHByZXNzdXJlIG9uIHRoZSBXQiBieSBhIGNob2Nr IGNvdWxkIGRvIHRoaXMuIEkgY2FuIHNlZSBmb3Igc3VyZSB0aGF0IGEgY2hvY2sgY291bGQgYmUg dG9vIHRhbGw7IHRoZSBwbGFuZSBtYXkgaGF2ZSByb2xsZWQgYmFjayBhbmQgdGhlIHdlaWdodCB3 b3VsZCBhYnNvbHV0ZWx5IGNhdXNlIHRoaXMuIExvb2tzIGxpa2UgdGhlIHByZXNzdXJlIHdhcyBy aWdodCBiZWxvdyB0aGUgZHJhaW4gaG9sZS4gSSBoYXZlIG15IG93biBBbmdsZSB0byBzZXJ2ZSBh cyBjaG9ja3MsIHRoZXkgZml0IHRpZ2h0bHkgYW5kIGFjY29tcGxpc2ggdGhlIOKAnG5vIG1vdmXi gJ0gZ29hbC4NCg0KSSB3YXMgdG90YWxseSBraWRkaW5nIGFib3V0IHRoZSBwb3Rob2xlIGluIHlv dXIgaGFuZ2FyLCBidXQgcm9sbGluZyBhIHBsYW5lIGJhY2sgaW50byBhIGhhbmdhciB3b3VsZG7i gJl0IGNhdXNlIHRoaXMgbXVjaCBkYW1hZ2UgdW5sZXNzIHRoZSB3aGVlbCBwYW50IOKAnHNhdOKA nSBvbiBzb21ldGhpbmcgYWZ0ZXIgYmVpbmcgZHJvcHBlZCAoYWthIHdvb2QgYmxvY2tzIGhvbGRp bmcgdXAgZ2VhciBhbmQgaXQgc2xpcHBpbmcgb2ZmIG9udG8gdGhlIGJsb2Nrcy4NCkkgdGhpbmsg eW91IGhhdmUgdGhpcyBvbmUgc29sdmVkIGhvd2V2ZXIuDQpFYXN5IGZpeC0gMiBwbHkgb24gb3V0 c2lkZSwgZmxveCBvbiBjcmFja3Mgd2lsbCBlYXNpbHkgcmVzb2x2ZSB0aGUgaXNzdWUgd2l0aCBw bGVudHkgb2Ygc3RyZW5ndGggYW5kIGVhc3kgdG8gcmVwYWludCBzaW5jZSBubyBvbmUgc2VlcyBp dCENClBhc2NhbA0KRnJvbTogb3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIFtt YWlsdG86b3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tXSBPbiBCZWhhbGYgT2Yg U2hhbm5vbiBIaWNrcw0KU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBPY3RvYmVyIDE0LCAyMDE2IDEyOjIxIFBNDQpU bzogcnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IFdlaXJk IEJyb2tlbiBXaGVlbCBQYW50DQoNCg0KU28sIEkgdGhpbmsgSSBtYXkgaGF2ZSBmaWd1cmVkIHRo aXMgb25lIG91dC4gSSByZWNlbnRseSBzcGVudCBhIHdlZWsgYXQgYW5vdGhlciBhaXJwb3J0IGFu ZCB0aGUgRkJPIGhhZCB0byBwYXJrIG1lIGluIGEgcmVtb3RlIGxvY2F0aW9uLiAgV2hlbiBJIHNo b3dlZCB1cCB0byBsZWF2ZSB0aGV5IGhhZCBjaG9ja3Mgb24gdGhlIHBpbG90IHNpZGUgbWFpbiBn ZWFyLiBJIHRoaW5rIHRoZXkgbWF5IGhhdmUgYmVlbiB0b28gdGFsbCBhbmQgcG9pbnQgbG9hZGVk IHRoZSByZWFyIHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIFdQLiBJIG5ldmVyIG5vdGljZWQgc2luY2UgaW4gd2FzIG9u IHRoZSB1bmRlcnNpZGUuDQoNCkRvZXMgdGhhdCBzb3VuZCBwbGF1c2libGU/DQoNClNoYW5ub24N Cg0KT24gT2N0IDE0LCAyMDE2IDI6MDggUE0sICJTaGFubm9uIEhpY2tzIiA8Y2l2ZW5nMTIzQGdt YWlsLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86Y2l2ZW5nMTIzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQpUaGUgd2hlZWwg cGFudHMgd2VyZSBvZmYgZm9yIGNvbmRpdGlvbiBpbnNwZWN0aW9uIGp1c3QgMyB3ZWVrcyBhZ28g YW5kIHRoZXJlIHdhcyBubyBzaWduIG9mIGRhbWFnZSBhbmQgd2UgaGF2ZSBhYm91dCAxLzIiIG9m IGdhcCBiZXR3ZWVuIHRoZSB0aXJlIGFuZCBXUCBhdCB0aGlzIHBvaW50LiBJIGNhbid0IGltYWdp bmUgaG93IGhhcmQgb2YgYSBsYW5kaW5nIGl0IHdvdWxkIHRha2UgdG8gYnVsZ2UgdGhlIGFmdCBw b3J0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSB0aXJlIDEvMiIuDQoNCldlIGFyZSBoYW5nZXJlZCBhdCBFRkQgc28gaGF2 ZSBzbW9vdGhpc2ggIGFzcGhhbHQgZXZlcnl3aGVyZS4uLi4NCg0KU2hhbm5vbg0KDQpPbiBPY3Qg MTQsIDIwMTYgMjowMiBQTSwgIlAgUmVpZCIgPHJ2MTBmbHllckBsaXZlLmNvbTxtYWlsdG86cnYx MGZseWVyQGxpdmUuY29tPj4gd3JvdGU6DQpVbmxlc3MgaGlzIGhhbmdhciBoYXMgcG90aG9sZXMg dGhlcmUgaXMgbm90aGluZyBJIGNhbiB0aGluayBvZi4NCkkgZGlkIGhhdmUgdGhlIHNhbWUgc2l0 dWF0aW9uIGV4Y2VwdCBpbiBteSBjYXNlIEkgd2FzIHRheGlpbmcgYWNyb3NzIGEgZ3Jhc3Mgc3Ry aXAgdG8gZ2V0IHRvIHJ1bndheSBhbmQgSSB3ZW50IGludG8gYSBzbGlnaHQgZGl0Y2ggdGhhdCB3 YXMgZW5vdWdoIHRvIGNhdXNlIHRoZSBmYWlyaW5nIHRvIGNyYWNrLg0KWW91ciBwaWN0dXJlIGxv b2tzIGxpa2UgYSBmYWlyaW5nIHRoYXQgd2FzIGNyYWNrZWQgZHVlIHRvIGEgaGVhdnkgbGFuZGlu ZyBhbmQgdGlyZXMgaGl0dGluZyBpdC4gSXMgaGUgc3VyZSBpdCB3YXNu4oCZdCB0aGlzIHdheSBi ZWZvcmUgaGUgaGVhcmQgdGhhdCBub2lzZT8gQXMgZm9yIGNsZWFyYW5jZSBpdCBuZWVkcyB0byBi ZSBhYm91dCDCvCBpbmNoIG9yIG1vcmUgYXdheSBmcm9tIHRpcmUgdG8gYmUgZmluZS4NCg0KRnJv bTogb3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEw LWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+IFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZl ckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20+XSBPbiBCZWhhbGYgT2YgU2hhbm5vbiBIaWNrcw0KU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBPY3RvYmVyIDE0 LCAyMDE2IDExOjMzIEFNDQpUbzogcnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnJ2MTAt bGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUlYxMC1MaXN0OiBXZWlyZCBCcm9rZW4gV2hl ZWwgUGFudA0KDQoNClRoZSBvdGhlciBkYXksIG15IGJ1ZGR5IHdhcyBwdXNoaW5nIHRoZSAxMCBi YWNrIGludG8gdGhlIGhhbmdlciB3aGVuIGhlIGhlYXJkIGEgY3JhY2tpbmcgc291bmQgZnJvbSB0 aGUgbGVmdCBtYWluIHdoZWVsIHBhbnQuIChTZWUgYXR0YWNoZWQpIFdlIGNoZWNrZWQgdGhlIGNs ZWFyYW5jZSBmcm9tIHRoZSB0aXJlIGFuZCBpdCB3YXMgZmluZSBhbmQgdGhlIFdQIHdhcyBzdGls bCB2ZXJ5IGZpcm1seSBhdHRhY2hlZC4gIFRpcmUgcHJlc3N1cmUgd2FzIGFsc28gZ29vZC4NCg0K QW55IGlkZWFzIG9uIHdoYXQgbWF5IGhhdmUgY2F1c2VkIHRoaXM/DQoNClNoYW5ub24NCg= ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:16 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant That makes sense =93 I carry my own made of PVC From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:21 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside. Does that sound plausible? Shannon On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" > wrote: The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2". We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere.... Shannon On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" > wrote: Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of. I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack. Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn=99t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about =C2=BC inch or more away from tire to be fine. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good. Any ideas on what may have caused this? Shannon ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant From: Tim Olson You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more like 5/8-3/4" Tim On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote: > Yes, your is plenty so that wasnt it on landing, just like my > pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see > for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back > and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was > right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they > fit tightly and accomplish the no move goal. > > > I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a > plane back into a hangar wouldnt cause this much damage unless the > wheel pant sat on something after being dropped (aka wood blocks > holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks. > > I think you have this one solved however. > > Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue > with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it! > > Pascal > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:22 PM PST US From: Shannon Hicks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant Tim, I'm redoing the fiberglass now, so will look at the gap. Thanks for the tip. On Oct 14, 2016 3:23 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: > > You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more > like 5/8-3/4" > > Tim > > On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote: > >> Yes, your =C2=BD is plenty so that wasn=99t it on landing, just li ke my >> pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see >> for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back >> and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was >> right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they >> fit tightly and accomplish the =9Cno move=9D goal. >> >> >> >> I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a >> plane back into a hangar wouldn=99t cause this much damage unless the >> wheel pant =9Csat=9D on something after being dropped (aka w ood blocks >> holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks. >> >> I think you have this one solved however. >> >> Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue >> with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it! >> >> Pascal >> >> =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: "AirMike" I did not put a new hole in the rim as the tube stem lined up fine when installed. The leak on the left tube that I returned to Desser was in the side wall of the tube. There was no abrasion on the tube, but it appeared as a "casting" flaw in the tube where the leak originated. I have not taken the leaking right tire tube off yet to diagnose the issue. Desser will not give me a refund after 90 days. Has anyone ever used that slime stuff to stop a leak?? -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461285#461285 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Tim Olson I contemplated the slime thing when I was AOG recently. I'm split on what to do. On one hand, it could work. On the other, if it leaks out of the tube you'll have a mess inside your tire and you probably will plan to re-use the tire. So that would kind of suck. On the other hand, if you're stuck out in the boonies and have no jack, the slime could be a quick fix. On the 3rd hand (must be an octopus)... If you did use slime, there are caveats. One being you have to roll the tire to distribute it. Not a big deal if you have a jack but if not it wouldn't be convenient. Also, you'd want to let it sit for a good amount of time to ensure it indeed was holding. Otherwise, your next experience with that tire is going to be when you land somewhere...not the time to have an issue. I would feel comfortable with an actual tube patch, and now I carry multiple tube patches in each plane. 2 tubes of cement, and about 5 patches. I never want to be stuck due to a tube again. Personally I'd only use the slime in an airplane as a last resort, but in a car I'd perhaps consider it quicker. Tim On 10/14/2016 3:51 PM, AirMike wrote: > > I did not put a new hole in the rim as the tube stem lined up fine > when installed. The leak on the left tube that I returned to Desser > was in the side wall of the tube. There was no abrasion on the tube, > but it appeared as a "casting" flaw in the tube where the leak > originated. I have not taken the leaking right tire tube off yet to > diagnose the issue. Desser will not give me a refund after 90 days. > Has anyone ever used that slime stuff to stop a leak?? > > -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:28 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: "AirMike" Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:47 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I didn't yet but am interested now. Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that? Tim > On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike wrote: > > > Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. > > Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. > > In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. > > PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? > > -------- > See you OSH '15 > Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:40 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant plug. It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted. Center of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down. Pretty simple mod. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > I didn't yet but am interested now. > Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that? > Tim > >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike wrote: >> >> >> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. >> >> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. >> >> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. >> >> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? >> >> -------- >> See you OSH '15 >> Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Marcus Cooper Lowes also sells metal plugs of various sizes that work great. In the hardware section in the specialty bins. Marcus On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant plug. It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted. Center of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down. Pretty simple mod. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone do not archive > On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > I didn't yet but am interested now. > Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that? > Tim > >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike wrote: >> >> >> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. >> >> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. >> >> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. >> >> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? >> >> -------- >> See you OSH '15 >> Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:07 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I used this: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/lg/wheel_wheelaccess/accessdoors.php I paint a line on the tire such that when the line is pointed to the ground the door lines up with the air valve. You need to have an extension like this: http://www.cleavelandtool.com/5-Valve-Stem-Extension/productinfo/VSE5/#.WAFj s-grKUk Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase Any cirrus parts house (service center) will sell you a plastic wheel pant plug. It's 2" in diameter and made out if white plastic. It can be painted. Center of the hole works well 2-2.5" aft of the axle screw and 1/2" down. Pretty simple mod. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > I didn't yet but am interested now. > Jesse, you had a cirrus part that looked good. Any pics or details on that? > Tim > >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:27 PM, AirMike wrote: >> >> >> Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. >> >> Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. >> >> In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. >> >> PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? >> >> -------- >> See you OSH '15 >> Q/B - flying 6 yrs. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:35 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I'll chime in and offer up what Mark Cooper did. Here's his blog entry about it. https://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/wheel-pant-modification-cowl- hinge-pin-retainer-and-an-unexpected-surprise/ More pics here. https://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/wheel-pants-are-wrapped-up-pr eparing-cowling-and-additional-fiberglass-finese/ -Ben -----Original Message----- Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase From: Linn Walters I converted my straight valve stem to 90*. I had to modify the wheel but there are tubes out there that use the same hole as the straight stem. I ordered 6 1/2" extensions from http://www.eezrvproduct.com/ ...... $6 ea. A 3/8 hole in the wheelpant for access and a plastic plug to cover the hole. A spot of paint on the inside of the tire when the stem is lined up with the hole makes it easy to line up. Linn On 10/14/2016 5:27 PM, AirMike wrote: > > Good thoughts on the subject. Gotta get my patch kit. Yes, you definitely want to turn the tire to distribute the material. > > Another thought is that if you cannot spin the tire vigorously as in jacking and spinning then you want to taxi quite a bit to distribute the stuff and see that it covers the interior of the tube. > > In the mean time, it looks like "Aero Classics" has changed vendors and the QC is not so great, or that I just got a bum batch. Either way, it is a pain to mess around with the tires that much after spending $400 on new mounts. > > PS did you or anyone else put air access doors in their wheel pants? > > -------- > See you OSH '15 > Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461289#461289 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:33 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aero Classic Leak guard inner tubes - do not purchase I have to think you got a bad pair of tubes. I bought the exact tubes that were recommended on Tim's web page, probably around 3 years ago when I was mounting the gear legs. They are the Desser Leakguard variety, inside Desser standard recaps. I have been flying since April, and most add air every 6 wks or so, which is aggravated by our major temp changes. I suppose I should get a patch kit to put in the airplane spares kit. -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Yes, same holes. You have Cleveland? > That's what mine are. > Tim > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > > > > > Tim, I had to machine both my mains. That might be due to the tube > manufacturer being different. I'm guessing from your post that you used > the same hole as the straight stem?? > > Linn > > > >> On 10/14/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> > >> I had 2 tubes fail from Desser, not all that many flying hours apart, > >> also. But, mine weren't the 90 degree valve stem tubes. > >> One of them was a pinhole leak that just came out of nowhere. > >> The other was a leak that was along a little slice-like > >> scrape, that I have no idea how it got there. Admittedly, > >> I didn't thoroughly inspect the tube when I pulled it out of > >> the bag. I wasn't happy in either case. > >> > >> Both wheels now have new-ish 90 degree stem tubes in them. > >> I've always run my pressues at the standard 42/40 rear/front > >> pressures that Van's put in the original manual, however I > >> think I will start raising the pressure slightly just > >> because we have such large temperature swings here, so if > >> I check them in the fall I'll go maybe 48. > >> > >> Linn, I think you're mistaking his issue for the nosewheel > >> tube. Yes, on that one Van's sends the wrong wheel, and > >> then they have to re-machine the hole on the other side, > >> and all the things you said. But he's talking about the > >> 15/6.00-6 main tubes. Those don't require any drilling > >> or anything else. > >> > >> Other than these 2 tubes, I've had good luck over the past > >> 10 years. I've replaced tires a few times and always put in > >> new tubes. So I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch them > >> yet. I WOULD be interested to see what the BEST tube > >> available is. I would prefer to buy a US made tube if > >> at all possible, and would pay a small premium for that > >> ability if it's a quality tube. > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >>> On 10/14/2016 11:54 AM, AirMike wrote: > >>> > >>> After struggling with the straight tube OEM Vans inner tube, I > >>> decided to go to the Aero Classic from Desser Tire TU15/600-6. My > >>> experience with this tube has been awful. I went to this tube due to > >>> the nice 90 degree bend in the stem that allows easier filling with > >>> air. By removing a small bit of metal on the wheel bearing cover, you > >>> can easily fill this tube with air. My left side failed after only 6 > >>> weeks leaving me with a flat tire when I was ready to dispatch the > >>> plane for an important flight. Since I was inside of 90 days, Desser > >>> gave me an RMA and I got a credit (not refund) on the defective tube. > >>> My second tube failed just this last week after about 5 months of > >>> flying. These tubes (made in Thailand) are just no good. I > >>> reinstalled my old Vans tube on the new Michelin tire on the left > >>> side, but I have yet to put the old tube back on the right side. > >>> These tubes are just crap. Any suggestions or comments on this issue > >>> will be appreciated. > >>> > >>> -------- See you OSH '15 Q/B - flying 6 yrs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.