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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Georgia: 5 Person RV-10 Probable Cause (Bill Boyd)
2. 12:35 PM - QB Wing Question (kearney)
3. 12:40 PM - W1002 Weldment Query (kearney)
4. 02:46 PM - Re: QB Wing Question (Bob Turner)
5. 02:56 PM - Re: W1002 Weldment Query (Bob Turner)
6. 03:49 PM - Re: QB Wing Question (Rob Kermanj)
7. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: QB Wing Question (Danny Riggs)
8. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: QB Wing Question (Kelly McMullen)
9. 05:55 PM - Re: QB Wing Question (John Miller)
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| Subject: | Re: Georgia: 5 Person RV-10 Probable Cause |
Once we're all brought to heel with ADS-B out, it's unlikely that PFD data
will offer the feds anything further of significance with which to hang one
out to dry. Isn't that pretty much the way it is?
I, too, was shocked at the mutilation of the phones caused by this
straight-in, smoking-hole impact. Then I read where the toxicology report
was essentially blank. It's a bad wreck when there isn't enough of you
left, absent a post-impact fire, to send for a tox screen.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 12:53 AM, P Reid <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> Not certain but appears he was pulling negative Gs hence the altitude
> changes, aft CG probably caused stall and plunge.
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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
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> Do to the CG being so grossly tailward, is it possible that was causing
> all the whifferdills? Seriously NOT being able to control the plane due to
> the aft CG? Just wondering!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Some of you probably saw the Probable Cause report
> <http://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID 150916X80028&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA>
> that was recently published by the NTSB on the 5-Person, middle of the
> night, without a certificated pilot, RV-10 crash that occurred in Georgia.
>
> The PC report was pretty much what we all expected. The photo of the
> airframe <https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59499/59445/599119.pdf> showed
> the massive impact and airframe destruction that was reported by the law
> enforcement on the ground. This is the first time I've seen a photo of it
> as I don't believe the media was allowed back there.
>
> Anyway, I dug into the docket a bit more and found an interesting study
> that I hadn't seen performed inside other NTSB reports; a Personal
> Electronic Devices Report
> <https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/59000-59499/59445/599117.pdf>. The level of
> damage to the phones in this report is quite revealing. However I found it
> interesting that the NTSB is now utilizing cell phone data. We've always
> known it was possible, but I hadn't seen them do it yet in an
> investigation. That could potentially open up a can of worms. Perhaps
> PED's in the off position aren't a bad thing.
>
> Just thought it was interesting to see.
>
> Full Docket is here
> <https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=59445&CFID=947438&CFTOKEN=b95705b192b6ce88-79E743D5-0CC2-91FF-CC3336BD7C79B5CE>
> ....
>
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | QB Wing Question |
Hi
I am slowing inching towards getting another -10 kit so that I don't have any more
free time on my hands or a life for that matter.
As it turns out the QB wings I purchased a few years back have had a number of
weeping rivets that are quite a pain. As I am unsure as to whether or not I want
to build my wings. I thought it prudent to ask if the QB wing quality has improved
over the past few years. I am certainly not impressed with how my tanks
were sealed!
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | W1002 Weldment Query |
When I built my -10, I had a very difficult time getting reasonable edge distances
on the W1002 weldment when match drilled to the F1001B & F1004. For those
haven't memorized the VANS plans & part numbers, these are the weldments that
tie the engine mount to to the firewall / fuse.
Has anyone else had a problem with these?
Inquiring minds need to know...
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Question |
I suspect it's hit and miss, e.g., there used to be a worse-than average record
for cars built on a Monday (presumably the workers were all hung over).
My QB kit picked up March 2008, so far no leaks. I did nothing special.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: W1002 Weldment Query |
If it's the engine mount you're talking about, yes, mine were way off. After consulting
with Vans I pushed and pulled on the mount, by hand, as hard as I could,
and then tied it with rope to hold that configuration. That allowed the very
undersized pilot holes to be within, but no where near centered, when viewed
thru the mount holes. I used the mount as a guide for the drill bit, and got
clean, round holes when done. But not centered on the original pilot holes.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Question |
No weeping rivets on my QB wings purchased in 2004-5. Van replaced Both my fuel
tanks due to leaks.
Do not archive.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 3:33 PM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> Hi
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> I am slowing inching towards getting another -10 kit so that I don't have any
more free time on my hands or a life for that matter.
>
> As it turns out the QB wings I purchased a few years back have had a number of
weeping rivets that are quite a pain. As I am unsure as to whether or not I
want to build my wings. I thought it prudent to ask if the QB wing quality has
improved over the past few years. I am certainly not impressed with how my tanks
were sealed!
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466022#466022
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Question |
I never had any weeping rivets but one of my seams wasn't sealed properly and I
had to cut open the tank after it was installed to fix.
I did repair a QB RV-10 fuselage where there was an area of about 15" by 48" that
over lapped. They hadn't even removed the plastic coating sheet where it overlapped.
That said, on my RV-10 they did a nice job on the riveting.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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> I suspect it's hit and miss, e.g., there used to be a worse-than average record
for cars built on a Monday (presumably the workers were all hung over).
> My QB kit picked up March 2008, so far no leaks. I did nothing special.
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466030#466030
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Question |
My QB-Wings of circa Oct 2010 were right after the Manila facility was
re-located. No problem so far with the tanks, although they did apply a
god-awful amount of Pro-seal on the outside. My flaps and aileron
trailing edges were awful. They had used something to squeeze the rivets
instead of doing the double flush riveting the plans called for.
Substantially dented the skins on the underside. Vans replaced them with
a set that were only half as bad, but still done wrong.
My fuselage was bad as well. The dimpled skins were riveted to the
longerons without any countersinking on the longerons. I had to drill
out all of those rivets, remove the longerons, countersink and
reassemble. Not to mention the longeron in front of the baggage door was
not cut to length, nor were those behind the baggage compartment.
Lots of fun cutting longeron without nicking the skin it is riveted to.
On 2/11/2017 5:01 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
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> I never had any weeping rivets but one of my seams wasn't sealed properly and
I had to cut open the tank after it was installed to fix.
> I did repair a QB RV-10 fuselage where there was an area of about 15" by 48"
that over lapped. They hadn't even removed the plastic coating sheet where it
overlapped. That said, on my RV-10 they did a nice job on the riveting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>>
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>> I suspect it's hit and miss, e.g., there used to be a worse-than average record
for cars built on a Monday (presumably the workers were all hung over).
>> My QB kit picked up March 2008, so far no leaks. I did nothing special.
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>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466030#466030
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Question |
My wings were built in 05 and so far, no weeping rivets except on the top where
people stepped too often (I put the wing walk too far forward). Fixed those
with green locktite.
I am just finishing up my RV8 QB wings that were built last year. They were done
superbly and I just leak checked them over the past 24 hours with no leaks!
So I would say that their QC on the QB kits these days is very good.
grumpy
N184JM
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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 2:33 PM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I am slowing inching towards getting another -10 kit so that I don't have any
more free time on my hands or a life for that matter.
>
> As it turns out the QB wings I purchased a few years back have had a number of
weeping rivets that are quite a pain. As I am unsure as to whether or not I
want to build my wings. I thought it prudent to ask if the QB wing quality has
improved over the past few years. I am certainly not impressed with how my tanks
were sealed!
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466022#466022
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