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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD)
2. 03:24 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen)
5. 05:04 AM - Re: Door seals (John Miller)
6. 05:20 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen)
7. 05:26 AM - Fw: Door seals (John Miller)
8. 05:54 AM - Re: Door seals (Rene Felker)
9. 06:04 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD)
10. 07:17 AM - Re: Door seals (Carl Froehlich)
11. 01:42 PM - Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Gordon Anderson)
12. 03:07 PM - Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Bob Turner)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Linn Walters)
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How does it seal at the door hinge?
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door
sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not
so much if put on the frame.
>
>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>
>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>
>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>
>>
>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail
on me after 10 years.
>>
>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>
>> Thanks - grumpy
>> N184JM
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
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You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing
surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
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> How does it seal at the door hinge?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of
door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not
so much if put on the frame.
>>
>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>
>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail
on me after 10 years.
>>>
>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>
>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>> N184JM
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Can you send me a photo?
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily
done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>
>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>
>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of
door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not
so much if put on the frame.
>>>
>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>
>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to
fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>
>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>> N184JM
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Will do.
You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other
aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do
have the seal on the frame.
Kelly
On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
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> Can you send me a photo?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily
done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>
>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>
>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of
door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not
so much if put on the frame.
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>
>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to
fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Thanks to all.
I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area.
How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation
and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door.
grumpy
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Will do.
> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft,
but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal
on the frame.
> Kelly
>
> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>
>> Can you send me a photo?
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily
done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification
of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors,
not so much if put on the frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to
fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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See previous reply, my seal is in fact on the frame. picture attached
On 3/9/2017 6:03 AM, John Miller wrote:
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area.
>
> How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation
and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door.
>
> grumpy
>
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Will do.
>> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft,
but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal
on the frame.
>> Kelly
>>
>> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you send me a photo?
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface.
Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification
of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors,
not so much if put on the frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting
to fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>
> Thanks to all.
>
> I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area.
>
> How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation
and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door.
>
> grumpy
>
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Will do.
>> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft,
but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal
on the frame.
>> Kelly
>>
>> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you send me a photo?
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface.
Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification
of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors,
not so much if put on the frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting
to fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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I will be at the airport tonight......will take a picture.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals
Thanks to all.
I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area.
How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation
and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door.
grumpy
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Will do.
> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft,
but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal
on the frame.
> Kelly
>
> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>> --> <amekler@metrocast.net>
>>
>> Can you send me a photo?
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> <kellym@aviating.com>
>>>
>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily
done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>> --> <amekler@metrocast.net>
>>>>
>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> --> <kellym@aviating.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification
of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors,
not so much if put on the frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>>> Miller
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to
fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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The picture in their web site shows it on the frame
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Will do.
> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft,
but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal
on the frame.
> Kelly
>
>> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>
>> Can you send me a photo?
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily
done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum.
>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge?
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification
of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors,
not so much if put on the frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the
edge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to
fail on me after 10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy
>>>>>> N184JM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Simple to install and works well. Self adhesive seals from McMaster.
Five years of service with no issue.
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil |
Carlos,
I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil.
I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I peeled
them apart again by hand (very easy) and re-glued them using cotton flox
as filler. There is no way they are coming apart this time, and I really cannot
understand why Van's recommended a non-structural filler.
If you want to check for voids after gluing, backlight the assembly with a 150W
floodlight in a darkened room. It's a highly effective "poor man's x-ray" once
you can get the hang of interpreting the shadows.
Cheers,
Gordon, Switzerland
41015 finished this year, maybe.....
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| Subject: | Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil |
Gordon Anderson wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil.
>
> I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I
peeled them apart again by hand (very easy) and
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gordon, Switzerland
> 41015 finished this year, maybe.....
If you can peel apart by hand an epoxied joint something was not right.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467125#467125
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| Subject: | Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil |
I agree with Bob. No matter what the thickening agent, the bonding is
in the resin. I suspect that the surfaces were not cleaned. I use 80
grit sandpaper to roughen the surfacers and either lacquer thinner or
MEK to clean before bonding. Also, I wet the surfaces with epoxy prior
to adding the thickener. I've used the cotton flox everywhere except
when I'm using micro balloons to fill/shape surfaces.
Linn
On 3/9/2017 6:05 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
>
> Gordon Anderson wrote:
>> Carlos,
>>
>> I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil.
>>
>> I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I
peeled them apart again by hand (very easy) and
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gordon, Switzerland
>> 41015 finished this year, maybe.....
>
> If you can peel apart by hand an epoxied joint something was not right.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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