---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/09/17: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:12 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD) 2. 03:24 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen) 3. 03:36 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen) 5. 05:04 AM - Re: Door seals (John Miller) 6. 05:20 AM - Re: Door seals (Kelly McMullen) 7. 05:26 AM - Fw: Door seals (John Miller) 8. 05:54 AM - Re: Door seals (Rene Felker) 9. 06:04 AM - Re: Door seals (Alan Mekler MD) 10. 07:17 AM - Re: Door seals (Carl Froehlich) 11. 01:42 PM - Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Gordon Anderson) 12. 03:07 PM - Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Bob Turner) 13. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil (Linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:06 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals How does it seal at the door hinge? Alan Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. > >> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >> >> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >> >> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >> >> >> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >> >> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >> >> Thanks - grumpy >> N184JM >> >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals From: Kelly McMullen You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: > > How does it seal at the door hinge? > Alan > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >> >>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>> >>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>> >>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>> >>> >>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>> >>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>> >>> Thanks - grumpy >>> N184JM >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:55 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals Can you send me a photo? Alan Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. > >> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >> >> How does it seal at the door hinge? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>> >>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>> >>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>> >>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>> >>>> >>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>> >>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>> >>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>> N184JM >>>> >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals From: Kelly McMullen Will do. You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. Kelly On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: > > Can you send me a photo? > Alan > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >> >>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>> >>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>> >>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>> >>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>> >>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>> N184JM >>>>> >>>>> do not archive >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:18 AM PST US From: John Miller Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals Thanks to all. I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area. How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door. grumpy > On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Will do. > You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. > Kelly > > On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >> >> Can you send me a photo? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> >>> >>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >>> >>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>>> >>>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>>> >>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>>> N184JM >>>>>> >>>>>> do not archive >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals From: Kelly McMullen See previous reply, my seal is in fact on the frame. picture attached On 3/9/2017 6:03 AM, John Miller wrote: > > Thanks to all. > > I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area. > > How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door. > > grumpy > >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Will do. >> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. >> Kelly >> >> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>> >>> Can you send me a photo? >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >>>> >>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>>>> N184JM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> do not archive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:47 AM PST US From: John Miller Subject: Fwd: RV10-List: Door seals > > Thanks to all. > > I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area. > > How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door. > > grumpy > >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Will do. >> You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. >> Kelly >> >> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>> >>> Can you send me a photo? >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >>>> >>>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>>>> N184JM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> do not archive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:06 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door seals I will be at the airport tonight......will take a picture. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:03 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals Thanks to all. I, too, would like to see a picture for the hinge area. How does the seal stick to the door? Their website does not say much about installation and their website shows the seal mounted to the frame, not the door. grumpy > On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Will do. > You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. > Kelly > > On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >> --> >> >> Can you send me a photo? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> >>> --> >>> >>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >>> >>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>>> --> >>>> >>>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> --> >>>>> >>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>>> >>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >>>>>> Miller >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>>> N184JM >>>>>> >>>>>> do not archive >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:40 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door seals The picture in their web site shows it on the frame Alan Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Will do. > You got me to thinking. I have the door seals on the door for my other aircraft, but on the RV-10 there was not enough lip available, so I do have the seal on the frame. > Kelly > >> On 3/9/2017 4:35 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >> >> Can you send me a photo? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>> >>> >>> You have to make a cover for the hinge to provide a flat sealing surface. Easily done with scrap fiberglass or aluminum. >>> >>>> On 3/9/2017 4:11 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote: >>>> >>>> How does it seal at the door hinge? >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will second that recommendation. Does not require special modification of door sill, can be made to work with uneven surfaces. Durable on the doors, not so much if put on the frame. >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/8/2017 8:00 PM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/products/rv-experimental/ >>>>>> >>>>>> A little pricy. I attached to the door and not the frame. Right on the edge. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Miller >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Door seals >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the stock Vans door seals on my bird, and they are not starting to fail on me after 10 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have any of you on the list found a good door seal for the -10? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - grumpy >>>>>> N184JM >>>>>> >>>>>> do not archive >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:55 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door seals Simple to install and works well. Self adhesive seals from McMaster. Five years of service with no issue. Carl ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil From: Gordon Anderson Carlos, I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil. I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I peeled them apart again by hand (very easy) and re-glued them using cotton flox as filler. There is no way they are coming apart this time, and I really cannot understand why Van's recommended a non-structural filler. If you want to check for voids after gluing, backlight the assembly with a 150W floodlight in a darkened room. It's a highly effective "poor man's x-ray" once you can get the hang of interpreting the shadows. Cheers, Gordon, Switzerland 41015 finished this year, maybe..... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:18 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil From: "Bob Turner" Gordon Anderson wrote: > Carlos, > > I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil. > > I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I peeled them apart again by hand (very easy) and > > Cheers, > > Gordon, Switzerland > 41015 finished this year, maybe..... If you can peel apart by hand an epoxied joint something was not right. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467125#467125 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cotton fiber instead of Cab-o-Sil From: Linn Walters I agree with Bob. No matter what the thickening agent, the bonding is in the resin. I suspect that the surfaces were not cleaned. I use 80 grit sandpaper to roughen the surfacers and either lacquer thinner or MEK to clean before bonding. Also, I wet the surfaces with epoxy prior to adding the thickener. I've used the cotton flox everywhere except when I'm using micro balloons to fill/shape surfaces. Linn On 3/9/2017 6:05 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > Gordon Anderson wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> I glued the door halves together the first time with Cab-o-Sil. >> >> I got nervous about the cracking noises when I tried to flex the doors, so I peeled them apart again by hand (very easy) and >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gordon, Switzerland >> 41015 finished this year, maybe..... > > If you can peel apart by hand an epoxied joint something was not right. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467125#467125 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.