---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/17/17: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: Any issues with VHF interference? (Linn Walters) 2. 06:47 AM - Re: Ignition (Bill Watson) 3. 06:56 AM - Overhaul - New (Jim Combs) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Overhaul - New (John Miller) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Any issues with VHF interference? (Kelly McMullen) 6. 07:29 AM - Re: Ignition (Kelly McMullen) 7. 07:48 AM - Re: Overhaul - New (Kelly McMullen) 8. 07:48 AM - Re: Overhaul - New (Kyle Boatright) 9. 08:03 AM - Re: Overhaul - New (P Reid) 10. 10:19 AM - Re: Overhaul - New (Jim Combs) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Ignition (Tim Olson) 12. 01:07 PM - Re: Overhaul - New (P Reid) 13. 02:43 PM - Re: Overhaul - New (Bob Turner) 14. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Overhaul - New (Stein Bruch) 15. 05:40 PM - Re: Overhaul - New (Bill Watson) 16. 06:11 PM - Re: Overhaul - New (Linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Any issues with VHF interference? From: Linn Walters Been a long time since I heard of that problem! Solutions typically point to grounding problems ..... coax connections or antenna installation .... or both. Linn On 3/16/2017 11:36 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > I have an issue where my GS needle moves erratically when I'm flying > an ILS in wet clouds or rain. I'm guessing that means I have a static > problem (though the localizer and comm radios are fine). Anyone have a > similar issue and/or recommendations? I heard of a few people > installing static wicks, but it doesn't seem to be too common. Thanks... > > -Rob > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition From: Bill Watson "Over 900 hours, and would never put a traditional mag on my engine based on all the issues I hear about them." That's a joke, right? (no answer requested) You guys do understand that threads like this scare the crap out of guys like me? I'm always interested in the latest tech, especially if performance enhancement is part of it. But reliability, availability and serviceability (RAS) are high up on my priority list. Seems like that's in place for electronic ignition *IF* one takes the time and assumes responsibility for staying on top of the manufacturer and the user community. And that flexibility is why experimental work is so great. But RAS is certainly a characteristic of the old magneto technology. They need to be maintained but the path to high RAS is well trodden and all that. Seriously, this is a great thread! I'm thinking about Iridium top plugs again and will consider a new, perhaps home fabbed ignition harness. Bill 'doing a precautionary swap-out of my original Slicks for rebuilts at 800+ hours' Watson --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:23 AM PST US From: Jim Combs Subject: RV10-List: Overhaul - New Questions for the group: I am getting close to the 2000 hour point on my IO-540-C4B5 and am looking at options: (1) Replace with a new Lycoming from Vans (47K) (2) Replace with a Titan X540 engine from ECI (44K) (3) Purchase an overhauled engine from ??? (4) Overhaul it myself. I have replaced cylinders and overhauled automotive engines but not a Lycoming. Any comments on any specific option? Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Flying 1000+ Hours over a 6 year period ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:37 AM PST US From: John Miller Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhaul - New Jim, I hope that you follow Mike Busch on engine care and maintenance. The 2000 point is n/a if you do the things that he recommends, and do the overhaul based on condition. Google him up and read his articles on TBO overhauls, care and routine maintenance. grumpy > On Mar 17, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Jim Combs wrote: > > > Questions for the group: > > I am getting close to the 2000 hour point on my IO-540-C4B5 and am looking at options: > > (1) Replace with a new Lycoming from Vans (47K) > > (2) Replace with a Titan X540 engine from ECI (44K) > > (3) Purchase an overhauled engine from ??? > > (4) Overhaul it myself. I have replaced cylinders and overhauled automotive engines but not a Lycoming. > > Any comments on any specific option? > > Thanks, Jim Combs > N312F - Flying 1000+ Hours over a 6 year period ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:55 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Any issues with VHF interference? I would definitely explore the grounding/shielding integrity before trying static wicks. My Mooney has a cat whisker VOR antenna on top of the tail, with no static wicks, flying almost identical approach speeds to the RV-10, and has never had a glideslope or VOR problem in any precip. While I generally fly approaches for real at 90-100 kts, I have practiced upwards of 150 kts without any receiver problems. Haven't had my RV in enough precip to find such an issue..haven't done any real IFR in it yet, but my two Archer wingtip VOR antennas seem to be performing very well. -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > Been a long time since I heard of that problem! Solutions typically point > to grounding problems ..... coax connections or antenna installation .... > or both. > Linn > > On 3/16/2017 11:36 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > > I have an issue where my GS needle moves erratically when I'm flying an > ILS in wet clouds or rain. I'm guessing that means I have a static problem > (though the localizer and comm radios are fine). Anyone have a similar > issue and/or recommendations? I heard of a few people installing static > wicks, but it doesn't seem to be too common. Thanks... > > -Rob > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Date: 03/16/17 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:39 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition I really do wonder about such statements. I've only 1900 hours over 44 years flying behind single engine aircraft with magnetos. Not one absolute failure, ever. A few rentals with some roughness. Slicks, Bendix, not huge difference. Electronic ignitions have certain well defined advantages in economy, power, easy starting. Reliability is yet to be proven. Besides the Lightspeed discussed in this thread, I have seen an E-Mag/PMag setup have complete dual mag failure at less than 500 ft AGL after takeoff. I've had MSD ignition on a car totally fail. They are getting better, but they certainly do not have the millions of hours of flight that magnetos do, over 70+ years. Coil and harness failures in less the 10 years/1000 hours....hmmm. -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > "Over 900 hours, and would never put a traditional mag on my engine based > on all the issues I hear about them." > > That's a joke, right? (no answer requested) > > You guys do understand that threads like this scare the crap out of guys > like me? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:40 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhaul - New Depends on the availability of quality overhaulers within reasonable distance. Sure, you can do it yourself. There are a lot of pitfalls. Lycoming doesn't make all the information available in one place. While they have done a little updating to the overhaul manual, there are still 1000+ service bulletins that you have to see if they apply. There have been a lot of parts changes over the years to extend TBO, etc. I've done a few engines, partly due to economic reasons at the time. If you supply the core engine, you should be able to get a quality overhaul for well under $40K. You can also look at Van Bortel and a couple others that offer exchange engines for a claimed $300 over invoice. http://www.airpowerinc.com/productcart/pc/engines.asp?searchParm=IO-540-D4A5&catID=33 That gets you a factory overhauled engine for $37K -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Jim Combs wrote: > > Questions for the group: > > I am getting close to the 2000 hour point on my IO-540-C4B5 and am looking > at options: > > (1) Replace with a new Lycoming from Vans (47K) > > (2) Replace with a Titan X540 engine from ECI (44K) > > (3) Purchase an overhauled engine from ??? > > (4) Overhaul it myself. I have replaced cylinders and overhauled > automotive engines but not a Lycoming. > > Any comments on any specific option? > > Thanks, Jim Combs > N312F - Flying 1000+ Hours over a 6 year period > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:41 AM PST US From: Kyle Boatright Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhaul - New Faced with needing an IO540, I went with BPE. Too many souls on board for me to do the rebuild (like I did on the engine for my RV-6). With a good core, your rebuild price should be in the low '30's. You could do it for <$20k if you did it yourself. Another option would be to do the legwork yourself and have a shop or experienced A&P help with the assembly process. Some of the dilemma goes back to "How good do you think your core is" and "How much do you think Lycoming's price reductions will reduce rebuild costs?". > On Mar 17, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jim Combs wrote: > > > Questions for the group: > > I am getting close to the 2000 hour point on my IO-540-C4B5 and am looking at options: > > (1) Replace with a new Lycoming from Vans (47K) > > (2) Replace with a Titan X540 engine from ECI (44K) > > (3) Purchase an overhauled engine from ??? > > (4) Overhaul it myself. I have replaced cylinders and overhauled automotive engines but not a Lycoming. > > Any comments on any specific option? > > Thanks, Jim Combs > N312F - Flying 1000+ Hours over a 6 year period ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:51 AM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhaul - New SWYgaXQgd2FzIG1lDQooNSkgZmx5IHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgdW50aWwgaXQgbmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgb3Zl cmhhdWxlZCB0aGFuICg0KQ0KDQpNaWtlIEJ1c2NoIGlzIGEgYmlnIGFkdm9jYXRlIHRoYXQgZW5n aW5lcyBjYW4gZ28gaW50byAzMDAwKyBob3VycyB3aXRob3V0IGFuIGlzc3VlLiBJZiBmbG93biBv ZnRlbi0gYXMgeW91IGhhdmUgZG9uZQ0KDQpGcm9tOiBvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20gW21haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21d IE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBKaW0gQ29tYnMNClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgTWFyY2ggMTcsIDIwMTcgNjo1 NiBBTQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IE92 ZXJoYXVsIC0gTmV3DQoNCg0KUXVlc3Rpb25zIGZvciB0aGUgZ3JvdXA6DQoNCkkgYW0gZ2V0dGlu ZyBjbG9zZSB0byB0aGUgMjAwMCBob3VyIHBvaW50IG9uIG15IElPLTU0MC1DNEI1IGFuZCBhbSBs b29raW5nIGF0IG9wdGlvbnM6DQoNCigxKSBSZXBsYWNlIHdpdGggYSBuZXcgTHljb21pbmcgZnJv bSBWYW5zICg0N0spDQoNCigyKSBSZXBsYWNlIHdpdGggYSBUaXRhbiBYNTQwIGVuZ2luZSBmcm9t IEVDSSAoNDRLKQ0KDQooMykgUHVyY2hhc2UgYW4gb3ZlcmhhdWxlZCBlbmdpbmUgZnJvbSA/Pz8N Cg0KKDQpIE92ZXJoYXVsIGl0IG15c2VsZi4gIEkgaGF2ZSByZXBsYWNlZCBjeWxpbmRlcnMgYW5k IG92ZXJoYXVsZWQgYXV0b21vdGl2ZSBlbmdpbmVzIGJ1dCBub3QgYSBMeWNvbWluZy4NCg0KQW55 IGNvbW1lbnRzIG9uIGFueSBzcGVjaWZpYyBvcHRpb24/DQoNClRoYW5rcywgSmltIENvbWJzDQpO MzEyRiAtIEZseWluZyAxMDAwKyBIb3VycyBvdmVyIGEgNiB5ZWFyIHBlcmlvZA0K ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:29 AM PST US From: Jim Combs Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhaul - New Ok so stupid question: What makes the engine need to be overhauled? I do 50 hour oil changes with oil analysis on each change. Is it a change in oil analysis showing some sort of abnormal wear and / or cylinder issues? Never been down this road before. Jim C On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:03 AM, P Reid wrote: > If it was me > > (5) fly the engine until it needs to be overhauled than (4) > > > Mike Busch is a big advocate that engines can go into 3000+ hours without > an issue. If flown often- as you have done > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Combs > *Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2017 6:56 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Overhaul - New > > > Questions for the group: > > > I am getting close to the 2000 hour point on my IO-540-C4B5 and am looking > at options: > > > (1) Replace with a new Lycoming from Vans (47K) > > > (2) Replace with a Titan X540 engine from ECI (44K) > > > (3) Purchase an overhauled engine from ??? > > > (4) Overhaul it myself. I have replaced cylinders and overhauled > automotive engines but not a Lycoming. > > > Any comments on any specific option? > > > Thanks, Jim Combs > > N312F - Flying 1000+ Hours over a 6 year period > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ignition From: Tim Olson I can't really comment on that tool. I didn't even know it existed. I myself don't mind usually when I have to buy a tool. I always look at it as as cost savings over paying someone else for doing the work. I can tell you that you'll want to do a great job crimping, no matter which way you go, and there I think are 2 levels of crimping to these connectors. One for the conductor and one for the sheath. Tim On 3/16/2017 3:06 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > Tim, > Thanks for the links. Given the rarity I'll probably need to crimp > connectors on ignition wire, any problem with getting this tool > instead and save almost $75? > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-3503 > > Marcus > 40286, 800+ hours > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:44 PM PST US From: P Reid Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhaul - New QXMgRUFBIG1lbWJlcnMgd2UgaGF2ZSB2YXJpb3VzIHdlYmluYXJzLCBvbmUgaGFwcGVucyB0byBi ZSBleGFjdGx5IHdoYXQgeW91IGFyZSBhc2tpbmcg8J+YiQ0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lYWF2aWRlby5v cmcvdmlkZW8uYXNweD92PTE0Mjk3NjQ0NTAwMDENClBhc2NhbA0KDQpGcm9tOiBKaW0gQ29tYnM8 bWFpbHRvOmppbWlubGV4a3lAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBNYXJjaCAxNywgMjAx NyAxMDozNCBBTQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpydjEwLWxpc3RA bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IE92ZXJoYXVsIC0gTmV3DQoN Ck9rIHNvIHN0dXBpZCBxdWVzdGlvbjogIFdoYXQgbWFrZXMgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBuZWVkIHRvIGJl IG92ZXJoYXVsZWQ/ICBJIGRvIDUwIGhvdXIgb2lsIGNoYW5nZXMgd2l0aCBvaWwgYW5hbHlzaXMg b24gZWFjaCBjaGFuZ2UuICBJcyBpdCBhIGNoYW5nZSBpbiBvaWwgYW5hbHlzaXMgc2hvd2luZyBz b21lIHNvcnQgb2YgYWJub3JtYWwgd2VhciBhbmQgLyBvciBjeWxpbmRlciBpc3N1ZXM/DQoNCk5l dmVyIGJlZW4gZG93biB0aGlzIHJvYWQgYmVmb3JlLg0KDQpKaW0gQw0KDQpPbiBGcmksIE1hciAx NywgMjAxNyBhdCAxMTowMyBBTSwgUCBSZWlkIDxydjEwZmx5ZXJAbGl2ZS5jb208bWFpbHRvOnJ2 MTBmbHllckBsaXZlLmNvbT4+IHdyb3RlOg0KSWYgaXQgd2FzIG1lDQooNSkgZmx5IHRoZSBlbmdp bmUgdW50aWwgaXQgbmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgb3ZlcmhhdWxlZCB0aGFuICg0KQ0KDQpNaWtlIEJ1c2No IGlzIGEgYmlnIGFkdm9jYXRlIHRoYXQgZW5naW5lcyBjYW4gZ28gaW50byAzMDAwKyBob3VycyB3 aXRob3V0IGFuIGlzc3VlLiBJZiBmbG93biBvZnRlbi0gYXMgeW91IGhhdmUgZG9uZQ0KDQpGcm9t OiBvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOm93bmVyLXJ2MTAt bGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4gW21haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVy QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOm93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bT5dIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBKaW0gQ29tYnMNClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgTWFyY2ggMTcsIDIwMTcg Njo1NiBBTQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpydjEwLWxpc3RAbWF0 cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogT3ZlcmhhdWwgLSBOZXcNCg0KDQpRdWVz dGlvbnMgZm9yIHRoZSBncm91cDoNCg0KSSBhbSBnZXR0aW5nIGNsb3NlIHRvIHRoZSAyMDAwIGhv dXIgcG9pbnQgb24gbXkgSU8tNTQwLUM0QjUgYW5kIGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgb3B0aW9uczoNCg0K KDEpIFJlcGxhY2Ugd2l0aCBhIG5ldyBMeWNvbWluZyBmcm9tIFZhbnMgKDQ3SykNCg0KKDIpIFJl cGxhY2Ugd2l0aCBhIFRpdGFuIFg1NDAgZW5naW5lIGZyb20gRUNJICg0NEspDQoNCigzKSBQdXJj aGFzZSBhbiBvdmVyaGF1bGVkIGVuZ2luZSBmcm9tID8/Pw0KDQooNCkgT3ZlcmhhdWwgaXQgbXlz ZWxmLiAgSSBoYXZlIHJlcGxhY2VkIGN5bGluZGVycyBhbmQgb3ZlcmhhdWxlZCBhdXRvbW90aXZl IGVuZ2luZXMgYnV0IG5vdCBhIEx5Y29taW5nLg0KDQpBbnkgY29tbWVudHMgb24gYW55IHNwZWNp ZmljIG9wdGlvbj8NCg0KVGhhbmtzLCBKaW0gQ29tYnMNCk4zMTJGIC0gRmx5aW5nIDEwMDArIEhv dXJzIG92ZXIgYSA2IHllYXIgcGVyaW9kDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Overhaul - New From: "Bob Turner" Jim Combs wrote: > Ok so stupid question: What makes the engine need to be overhauled? I do 50 hour oil changes with oil analysis on each change. Is it a change in oil analysis showing some sort of abnormal wear and / or cylinder issues? > > It really is a judgement call. Sometimes compressions will get poor, sometimes oil consumption will go up. Fortunately it is rare to have a catastrophic failure, but the odds probably increase a bit as you go further and further past TBO. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467426#467426 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:16 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Overhaul - New Usually it's exactly what Bob mentions below. Many of the 'other' parts are just IRAN (Inspect/Repair/as necessary) during an overhaul anyway. Usually the crank/cam/case/accessory gears, etc.. all get re-used themselves. Same with pushrods, conrods, tappets, plungers, etc.. Engines that are often flown frequently outlast engines that sit (especially on the top end). Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Overhaul - New Jim Combs wrote: > Ok so stupid question: What makes the engine need to be overhauled? > I do 50 hour oil changes with oil analysis on each change. Is it a > change in oil analysis showing some sort of abnormal wear and / or > cylinder issues? > > It really is a judgement call. Sometimes compressions will get poor, sometimes oil consumption will go up. Fortunately it is rare to have a catastrophic failure, but the odds probably increase a bit as you go further and further past TBO. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467426#467426 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhaul - New From: Bill Watson I've never been down that road either but I intend to follow Busch's advice and consider 2000 hours just a milestone. Given that you've flown regularly and probably put most/all the hours on it personally, you would seem to be a prime candidate for taking an on-condition approach. Re a DIY overhaul: I attended Lycoming engine school, both classes, which include an disassembly/assembly hands-on lab . On one hand, I know I could do a decent job given patience and time. On the other I've gained great respect for those individuals that DIY. It's no where near the size and scope of kit building but there's less room for mistakes and carelessness. The Lycoming class gave me the confidence for self maintenance and management. If I were to do a DIY, the class would be a prerequisite but I'm not going down that path. I recommend that class for owner/self maintainers and DIY wannabes. Whoever said, "the information required for a Lycoming overhaul is not all in one place" knows their stuff, amen. Bill "I'm planning on getting well past 2,000 hours BO" Watson On 3/17/2017 10:00 AM, John Miller wrote: > > Jim, > > I hope that you follow Mike Busch on engine care and maintenance. > > The 2000 point is n/a if you do the things that he recommends, and do the overhaul based on condition. > > Google him up and read his articles on TBO overhauls, care and routine maintenance. > > grumpy > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhaul - New From: Linn Walters THljb21pbmdzIGFyZSBkaXJ0IHNpbXBsZS4gV2l0aCB0aGUgYXNzZW1ibHkgYW5kIHBhcnRzIG1h bnVhbCBJJ2Qgb3ZlcmhhdWwgaXQgbXlzZWxmIC4uLi4gdGhlIGhhcmRlc3QgdGhpbmcgaXMgc3Bs aXR0aW5nIHRoZSBjYXNlLgoKSG93ZXZlciwgSSB3b3VsZG4ndCB0b3VjaCBpdCBqdXN0IGJlY2F1 c2UgaXQgaGFzIDIwMDAgaG91cnMgb24gaXQuIMKgSWYgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBoYXMgZ29vZCBvaWwg cHJlc3N1cmUgYW5kIGNvbXByZXNzaW9uIC4uLi4gZmx5IGl0LlRoZSBiZXN0IHRoaW5nIHlvdSBj YW4gZG8gZm9yIHlvdXIgZW5naW5lIGlzIHVzZSBpdCBvZnRlbi4KSU1ITyEKTElOTgoKClNlbnQg ZnJvbSBTYW1zdW5nIHRhYmxldCBjcnVpc2luZyBvbiB0aGUgbWFqZXN0eSBPZiBUaGUgU2Vhcy4K Ci0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS0KRnJvbSBKaW0gQ29tYnMgPGppbWlu bGV4a3lAZ21haWwuY29tPiAKRGF0ZTogMDMvMTcvMjAxNyAgOTo1NSBBTSAgKEdNVC0wNTowMCkg ClRvIHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIApTdWJqZWN0IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogT3ZlcmhhdWwg LSBOZXcgCiAKClF1ZXN0aW9ucyBmb3IgdGhlIGdyb3VwOgoKSSBhbSBnZXR0aW5nIGNsb3NlIHRv IHRoZSAyMDAwIGhvdXIgcG9pbnQgb24gbXkgSU8tNTQwLUM0QjUgYW5kIGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQg b3B0aW9uczoKCigxKSBSZXBsYWNlIHdpdGggYSBuZXcgTHljb21pbmcgZnJvbSBWYW5zICg0N0sp CgooMikgUmVwbGFjZSB3aXRoIGEgVGl0YW4gWDU0MCBlbmdpbmUgZnJvbSBFQ0kgKDQ0SykKCigz KSBQdXJjaGFzZSBhbiBvdmVyaGF1bGVkIGVuZ2luZSBmcm9tID8/PwoKKDQpIE92ZXJoYXVsIGl0 IG15c2VsZi7CoCBJIGhhdmUgcmVwbGFjZWQgY3lsaW5kZXJzIGFuZCBvdmVyaGF1bGVkIGF1dG9t b3RpdmUgZW5naW5lcyBidXQgbm90IGEgTHljb21pbmcuCgpBbnkgY29tbWVudHMgb24gYW55IHNw ZWNpZmljIG9wdGlvbj8KClRoYW5rcywgSmltIENvbWJzCk4zMTJGIC0gRmx5aW5nIDEwMDArIEhv dXJzIG92ZXIgYSA2IHllYXIgcGVyaW9k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.