---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/22/17: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Ignition wires seal (Carlos Trigo) 2. 07:02 AM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Rene Felker) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Kelly McMullen) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Jesse Saint) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Carlos Trigo) 6. 12:21 PM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Carl Froehlich) 7. 01:47 PM - Re: Ignition wires seal (Carlos Trigo) 8. 06:56 PM - Prop Problems (Vernon Franklin) 9. 07:10 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Tim Olson) 10. 07:14 PM - Re: Prop Problems (John Miller) 11. 07:50 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Vernon Franklin) 12. 07:58 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Shannon Hicks) 13. 08:08 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Tim Olson) 14. 08:21 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Bruce Hoppe) 15. 08:35 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Vernon Franklin) 16. 09:23 PM - Re: Prop Problems (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:30 AM PST US From: Carlos Trigo Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal Guys I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these baffles. The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... Where can I obtain these seals? Thanks Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:16 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the normal suppliers. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal Guys I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these baffles. The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... Where can I obtain these seals? Thanks Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal From: Kelly McMullen http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/enginebafflem376.php On 4/22/2017 7:01 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the > normal suppliers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal > > > Guys > > I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles > (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these > baffles. > The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. > > This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... > > Where can I obtain these seals? > > Thanks > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:38 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal Aircraft Spruce has them. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > > I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the > normal suppliers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal > > > Guys > > I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles > (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these > baffles. > The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. > > This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... > > Where can I obtain these seals? > > Thanks > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:15 AM PST US From: Carlos Trigo Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal Thank you guys I did look into the AcS catalog but didn't find them. They're on their way now Thanks Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 22/04/2017, s 15:17, Jesse Saint escreveu: > > Aircraft Spruce has them. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Rene Felker wrote: >> >> >> I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the >> normal suppliers. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo >> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal >> >> >> Guys >> >> I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles >> (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these >> baffles. >> The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. >> >> This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... >> >> Where can I obtain these seals? >> >> Thanks >> Carlos >> >> Enviado do meu iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:03 PM PST US From: Carl Froehlich Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal They should be with the engine. Did you look in the throttle body box? Carl > On Apr 22, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > > Thank you guys > > I did look into the AcS catalog but didn't find them. > They're on their way now > > Thanks > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > No dia 22/04/2017, s 15:17, Jesse Saint escreveu: > >> >> Aircraft Spruce has them. >> >> Jesse Saint >> Saint Aviation, Inc. >> jesse@saintaviation.com >> C: 352-427-0285 >> F: 815-377-3694 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Rene Felker wrote: >>> >>> >>> I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the >>> normal suppliers. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal >>> >>> >>> Guys >>> >>> I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles >>> (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these >>> baffles. >>> The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. >>> >>> This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... >>> >>> Where can I obtain these seals? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Carlos >>> >>> Enviado do meu iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:41 PM PST US From: Carlos Trigo Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal Hi Carl The throttle body was installed many moons ago, but i'll try to find the box. Cheers Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 22/04/2017, s 20:20, Carl Froehlich escreveu: > > They should be with the engine. Did you look in the throttle body box? > > Carl > >> On Apr 22, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: >> >> >> Thank you guys >> >> I did look into the AcS catalog but didn't find them. >> They're on their way now >> >> Thanks >> Carlos >> >> Enviado do meu iPhone >> >> No dia 22/04/2017, s 15:17, Jesse Saint escreveu: >> >>> >>> Aircraft Spruce has them. >>> >>> Jesse Saint >>> Saint Aviation, Inc. >>> jesse@saintaviation.com >>> C: 352-427-0285 >>> F: 815-377-3694 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Rene Felker wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I purchased a pair from ?????I can not remember????. It was one of the >>>> normal suppliers. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:11 AM >>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wires seal >>>> >>>> >>>> Guys >>>> >>>> I cannot find the 2 seals which are to be installed into the Baffles >>>> (cylinders' #5 and #6 baffles) where the ignition wires pass trough these >>>> baffles. >>>> The plans indicate that those 2 seals are supplied with the engine. >>>> >>>> This engine was bought more than 5 years ago... >>>> >>>> Where can I obtain these seals? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>> Enviado do meu iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:43 PM PST US From: Vernon Franklin Subject: RV10-List: Prop Problems I started the engine for the first time today :) Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went to test the prop, it would not cycle. I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or Lycoming. I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I just don't know the first place to start looking. The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far enough. See picture. [image: Inline image 1] Anyone ever experience this? -- Vernon Franklin ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:41 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if the splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of running time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. You didn't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait long enough? Tim > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote: > > I started the engine for the first time today :) > > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went to test the prop, it would not cycle. > > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or Lycoming. > > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I just don't know the first place to start looking. > > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far enough. See picture. > > > > Anyone ever experience this? > > -- > Vernon Franklin ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:26 PM PST US From: John Miller Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems Tim is correct, it takes several minutes of running for the oil to make its way up to the governor. When I pulled my prop for IRAN last year, it took 3-4 minutes of run time to get enough oil back up there to move the blades. grumpy do not archive > On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > > I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if the splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of running time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. You didn't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait long enough? > Tim > >> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote: >> >> I started the engine for the first time today :) >> >> Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went to test the prop, it would not cycle. >> >> I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or Lycoming. >> >> I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I just don't know the first place to start looking. >> >> The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far enough. See picture. >> >> >> >> Anyone ever experience this? >> >> -- >> Vernon Franklin > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:39 PM PST US From: Vernon Franklin Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems It was probably between 3 and 5 minute. How long should it take? Vernon On Apr 22, 2017 9:13 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: > > I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if the > splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of > running time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. > You didn't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait > long enough? > Tim > > > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin > wrote: > > > > I started the engine for the first time today :) > > > > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went to > test the prop, it would not cycle. > > > > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the > outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or > Lycoming. > > > > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I > just don't know the first place to start looking. > > > > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the > governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far > enough. See picture. > > > > > > > > Anyone ever experience this? > > > > -- > > Vernon Franklin > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:18 PM PST US From: Shannon Hicks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems Vernon, Have you considered having an a&p looking over you engine Install prior to first flight.? On Apr 22, 2017 9:53 PM, "Vernon Franklin" wrote: > It was probably between 3 and 5 minute. > How long should it take? > > Vernon > > On Apr 22, 2017 9:13 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: > >> >> I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if the >> splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of >> running time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. >> You didn't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait >> long enough? >> Tim >> >> > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin >> wrote: >> > >> > I started the engine for the first time today :) >> > >> > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went >> to test the prop, it would not cycle. >> > >> > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the >> outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or >> Lycoming. >> > >> > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. >> I just don't know the first place to start looking. >> > >> > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the >> governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far >> enough. See picture. >> > >> > >> > >> > Anyone ever experience this? >> > >> > -- >> > Vernon Franklin >> >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ >> Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:02 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems I'm not exactly sure but it would probably depend on the RPM also. If you we ren't up to maybe 1800 rpm or so I don't know that you'd get enough pressure to get the oil flowing and make it work. I just know that when I did my IO -390 start last year it did take a bit of time. Tim > On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Vernon Franklin w rote: > > It was probably between 3 and 5 minute. > How long should it take? > > Vernon > >> On Apr 22, 2017 9:13 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: >> >> I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if the splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of runnin g time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. You didn 't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait long enoug h? >> Tim >> >> > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote: >> > >> > I started the engine for the first time today :) >> > >> > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went t o test the prop, it would not cycle. >> > >> > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the o utside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or Lyc oming. >> > >> > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I just don't know the first place to start looking. >> > >> > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the g overnor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far enough. See picture. >> > >> > >> > >> > Anyone ever experience this? >> > >> > -- >> > Vernon Franklin >> >> >> ========================= >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List >> ========================= >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========================= >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========================= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:43 PM PST US From: Bruce Hoppe Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems Vernon, I had a similar problem with my Hartzell prop. I checked all the same items, talked to 2 A&P's, and finally called Hartzell. They immediately told me what was wrong. At what speed were you running the engine when you tried to cycle the prop? I was used to doing a 1800 rpm run up and cycling the prop. That will not work. You need to be at least 2000 rpm. Bruce Hoppe Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin wrote: > > I started the engine for the first time today :) > > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went to test the prop, it would not cycle. > > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or Lycoming. > > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. I just don't know the first place to start looking. > > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far enough. See picture. > > > > Anyone ever experience this? > > -- > Vernon Franklin ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:26 PM PST US From: Vernon Franklin Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Problems Yup. Had two of them out there with me today. We were all stumped. Vernon On Apr 22, 2017 10:00 PM, "Shannon Hicks" wrote: > Vernon, > Have you considered having an a&p looking over you engine Install prior to > first flight.? > > > On Apr 22, 2017 9:53 PM, "Vernon Franklin" > wrote: > >> It was probably between 3 and 5 minute. >> How long should it take? >> >> Vernon >> >> On Apr 22, 2017 9:13 PM, "Tim Olson" wrote: >> >>> >>> I can't answer about the spacer. It should be easy enough to tell if >>> the splines are meshing. But I can tell you it make take a short bit of >>> running time before there's enough oil in the hub for the prop to cycle. >>> You didn't mention how long you ran it for but maybe you just didn't wait >>> long enough? >>> Tim >>> >>> > On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Vernon Franklin < >>> vernon.franklin@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I started the engine for the first time today :) >>> > >>> > Everything was in the green, and looked really good. But when I went >>> to test the prop, it would not cycle. >>> > >>> > I have a hartzell gov, and the arm swing is good. Everything from the >>> outside looks like it should work. Everything is stock from Van's FWF or >>> Lycoming. >>> > >>> > I definitely pulled the plug on the crank case, that isn't the issue. >>> I just don't know the first place to start looking. >>> > >>> > The only thing I can see from the outside, is this spacer between the >>> governor and the engine, maybe the teeth on the gear cannot reach far >>> enough. See picture. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Anyone ever experience this? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Vernon Franklin >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ >>> Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:18 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Prop Problems From: "Bob Turner" Agree with others. You need to be at over 1700 rpm, prop control pulled back, for up to 45 seconds or so, to get enough oil in there. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468696#468696 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.